Crumbling Reich: A Weimar Republic Game (Signup Thread)

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What are the rules for claiming a character late?

In the interests of keeping the Presidential election interesting (and because it would be a new experience for ne) I'd like to claim Hitler.

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What are the rules for claiming a character late?

In the interests of keeping the Presidential election interesting (and because it would be a new experience for ne) I'd like to claim Hitler.

Hm. Usually I would allow for late claimants, and I think the election seems interesting already, but I'm split on this. On one hand I would appreciate a Nazi character, but on the other I am skeptical on having the Nazis win, I feel like repeating history is fairly redundant. I'll think this over.

Furthermore, I've already had my way with them as default NPC controller, but that's not a problem with my decision making at all, just that you'd be okay with it.

EDIT: One more thing as a generality, late players are always a win as long as they accept any NPC controller moves that may have occurred.

I don't see any reason to change any results that have happened in the past. That certainly wouldn't influence Hitler (or anyone else's) behavior going forward though.

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What are the rules for claiming a character late?

In the interests of keeping the Presidential election interesting (and because it would be a new experience for ne) I'd like to claim Hitler.

Hm. Usually I would allow for late claimants, and I think the election seems interesting already, but I'm split on this. On one hand I would appreciate a Nazi character, but on the other I am skeptical on having the Nazis win, I feel like repeating history is fairly redundant. I'll think this over.

Furthermore, I've already had my way with them as default NPC controller, but that's not a problem with my decision making at all, just that you'd be okay with it.

EDIT: One more thing as a generality, late players are always a win as long as they accept any NPC controller moves that may have occurred.

I don't see any reason to change any results that have happened in the past. That certainly wouldn't influence Hitler (or anyone else's) behavior going forward though.

I'll think it over, mostly because I'm trepidatious because I don't want Hitler to win the game and that's no fun for the person playing it. I do love new players on the right wing though. I'll think it over though, you have expressed a lot of interest and that's awesome.

I assure you, I'm no right winger.  Hitler's the one person from that era of German history that I'm most familiar with (except for Hindenburg, and he's unplayable.)

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What are the rules for claiming a character late?

In the interests of keeping the Presidential election interesting (and because it would be a new experience for ne) I'd like to claim Hitler.

Hm. Usually I would allow for late claimants, and I think the election seems interesting already, but I'm split on this. On one hand I would appreciate a Nazi character, but on the other I am skeptical on having the Nazis win, I feel like repeating history is fairly redundant. I'll think this over.

Furthermore, I've already had my way with them as default NPC controller, but that's not a problem with my decision making at all, just that you'd be okay with it.

EDIT: One more thing as a generality, late players are always a win as long as they accept any NPC controller moves that may have occurred.

I don't see any reason to change any results that have happened in the past. That certainly wouldn't influence Hitler (or anyone else's) behavior going forward though.

I'll think it over, mostly because I'm trepidatious because I don't want Hitler to win the game and that's no fun for the person playing it. I do love new players on the right wing though. I'll think it over though, you have expressed a lot of interest and that's awesome.

I assure you, I'm no right winger.  Hitler's the one person from that era of German history that I'm most familiar with (except for Hindenburg, and he's unplayable.)

That's not what I mean, I mean playing right wing characters. We have more left wing than right wing characters.

That's probably reflective of the forum as a whole.

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What are the rules for claiming a character late?

In the interests of keeping the Presidential election interesting (and because it would be a new experience for ne) I'd like to claim Hitler.

Hm. Usually I would allow for late claimants, and I think the election seems interesting already, but I'm split on this. On one hand I would appreciate a Nazi character, but on the other I am skeptical on having the Nazis win, I feel like repeating history is fairly redundant. I'll think this over.

Furthermore, I've already had my way with them as default NPC controller, but that's not a problem with my decision making at all, just that you'd be okay with it.

EDIT: One more thing as a generality, late players are always a win as long as they accept any NPC controller moves that may have occurred.

I don't see any reason to change any results that have happened in the past. That certainly wouldn't influence Hitler (or anyone else's) behavior going forward though.

I'll think it over, mostly because I'm trepidatious because I don't want Hitler to win the game and that's no fun for the person playing it. I do love new players on the right wing though. I'll think it over though, you have expressed a lot of interest and that's awesome.

I assure you, I'm no right winger.  Hitler's the one person from that era of German history that I'm most familiar with (except for Hindenburg, and he's unplayable.)

That's not what I mean, I mean playing right wing characters. We have more left wing than right wing characters.

That's probably reflective of the forum as a whole.

I'm sorry there's a disconnect here, we have more left wing characters in game than right wing characters. What I'm trying to say is that while I love having new right wing characters for the game, but I'm trepidatious about adding Hitler because overall I'd prefer to not have the Nazis win because that would be somewhat less interesting. But I'll think it over since you've been interested for a while.

Hitler running for President and winning would change history, because it would mean he'd have to appoint someone else as Chancellor. He wouldn't have the support to rule as the Fuhrer automatically.

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What I'm trying to say is that while I love having new right wing characters for the game, but I'm trepidatious about adding Hitler because overall I'd prefer to not have the Nazis win because that would be somewhat less interesting. But I'll think it over since you've been interested for a while.

With all due respect, I find it much more interesting to run against a real Hitler than an NPC. I am fine if history ends up repeating; that gives folks like me more incentive to do our best to prevent that outcome.

Thanks.

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Any time between now and tomorrow Afternoon (which is when I likely will wake up) would be fine with me.

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Strange for the Nazis and the Communists to be in agreement on anything...but I guess bringing down the Government would be that thing that brings them together.

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I actually can't imagine the Social Democrats voting to keep Von Papen in power, based on their reaction to his support of the "personal loyalty oaths to Hindenburg", but then again, I can't imagine them siding with the Nazis and the Communists either.

This scenario should be very interesting.

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I'd sacrifice the Republic to save democracy -- accept a British-style constitutional monarchy to keep the DNVP from aligning with the Nazis.

Basically the structure of the German Reich remained, but there was simply no Kaiser. 

So who would the monarch be in your scenario?

Hindenburg?

I can tell you right now Hitler won't agree to that.

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Do my eyes deceive me or do the right and far right agree with the centre-left?

Hitler did build the Autobahn when he was Fuhrer, you know.

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Check in

How do ya'll like the way the game is going?

Personally its gone well beyond my best guesses for how this would go but I'd love to hear game related questions and concerns.

Special thanks to Dereich for joining on request and being the very best FvP.

This is going really well.

Obviously, thanks to Dereich as well.

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Procedural question

Do abstentions reduce the majority threshold?

I checked on Wikipedia, and there doesn't appear to be an answer to the question.

If anyone actually has a copy of the Weimar Constitution in front of them, I'd like to know too.

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Procedural question

Do abstentions reduce the majority threshold?

A resolution of the Reichstag requires a simple majority of the votes cast, except as the constitution requires another majority. The rules of procedure of the Reichstag may permit exceptions in the case of elections held by it.

I have been using the version availible on Wikisource here: https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Weimar_constitution

Is a simple majority not 50% of all the votes cast?

Generally an abstention does not count as a cast vote.

Well, I think it would be preferable for Herr Hitler to allow his MPs to vote their conscience. Maybe he would be willing to do that. If not, we should settle for this

Nice try. Save that for the gameplay thread.

I'd argue that an abstention would be similar to someone in the U.S Congress voting "Present", actually.

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Wow, the Autobahn must really be popular if the Nazis, Nationalists, Communists and Socialists are all in favor of it.

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Really tempted to join at this point, is there a character/party which is important to have filled? Have been going through some alternatives (Lettow Vorbeck, Rupprecht of Bavaria, Hugo Eckener, maybe Goering) but I'm unconvinced by them.

I could use a Goering or a Gregor Strasser.

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Really tempted to join at this point, is there a character/party which is important to have filled? Have been going through some alternatives (Lettow Vorbeck, Rupprecht of Bavaria, Hugo Eckener, maybe Goering) but I'm unconvinced by them.

Maybe Zentrum needs to have a party leader?

I guess either Ludwig Kaas, or Bruning would be interesting, but I'd rather have a surrogate (especially Gregor Strasser)

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My, it's surprisingly difficult to choose (changed my mind on Beck at the last moment). Still, Lettow-Vorbeck it is.

I had to look him up.

Needless to say, he'd be an excellent candidate for Reichswehr Secretary in a Hitler Cabinet...if not for the fact he distrusted Hitler...

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Opening the door again for interviews

@FvP
@PvLV
@AH
@OW

In particular

Hitler would be interested in an interview (don't the Nazis actually control a newspaper or two at this point?)

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Adlof Hitler

Adolf Hitler, in Nuremberg reacts to the results of the Reichstag elections by saying he is wiling to join the Government in position asked of him.

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I understand there’s a lot of intrigue going on

Germany needs a government, any government soon

I hope we have a cabinet within the next day

Probably not the place to put this...but I would withdraw my no-confidence motion if Hitler was put in the cabinet...

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Any update incoming?

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Any update incoming?

One character has elected to hold up the formation of the government. Otherwise, it’s almost formed.

Yeah, I sent a note to KaiserDave stating I was withdrawing that noconfidence vote.

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Yeah, let's give it 12-18 hours so everyone can catch up.

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Another check in on people's thoughts

Obviously things have slowed down recently after the election, but no good game moves too fast.

Are there any concerns about the game I can address?

I know Willy is waiting for his restoration lol

There really isn't for Hitler to do at the moment unless I decide to backstab Von Papen again.

As for Wilhelm II, I imagine France/Britain would declare war immediately if Wilhelm II was brought back.