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« Reply #75 on: August 02, 2020, 12:57:22 PM »

Procedural question

Do abstentions reduce the majority threshold?

Quote from: Article 32, Constitution of 1919
A resolution of the Reichstag requires a simple majority of the votes cast, except as the constitution requires another majority. The rules of procedure of the Reichstag may permit exceptions in the case of elections held by it.

I have been using the version availible on Wikisource here: https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Weimar_constitution
Is a simple majority not 50% of all the votes cast?
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« Reply #76 on: August 02, 2020, 12:58:43 PM »

Procedural question

Do abstentions reduce the majority threshold?

Quote from: Article 32, Constitution of 1919
A resolution of the Reichstag requires a simple majority of the votes cast, except as the constitution requires another majority. The rules of procedure of the Reichstag may permit exceptions in the case of elections held by it.

I have been using the version availible on Wikisource here: https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Weimar_constitution
Is a simple majority not 50% of all the votes cast?

Generally an abstention does not count as a cast vote.
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« Reply #77 on: August 02, 2020, 01:04:00 PM »

Procedural question

Do abstentions reduce the majority threshold?

Quote from: Article 32, Constitution of 1919
A resolution of the Reichstag requires a simple majority of the votes cast, except as the constitution requires another majority. The rules of procedure of the Reichstag may permit exceptions in the case of elections held by it.

I have been using the version availible on Wikisource here: https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Weimar_constitution
Is a simple majority not 50% of all the votes cast?

Generally an abstention does not count as a cast vote.
Well, I think it would be preferable for Herr Hitler to allow his MPs to vote their conscience. Maybe he would be willing to do that. If not, we should settle for this
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« Reply #78 on: August 02, 2020, 01:06:22 PM »

Procedural question

Do abstentions reduce the majority threshold?

Quote from: Article 32, Constitution of 1919
A resolution of the Reichstag requires a simple majority of the votes cast, except as the constitution requires another majority. The rules of procedure of the Reichstag may permit exceptions in the case of elections held by it.

I have been using the version availible on Wikisource here: https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Weimar_constitution
Is a simple majority not 50% of all the votes cast?

Generally an abstention does not count as a cast vote.
Well, I think it would be preferable for Herr Hitler to allow his MPs to vote their conscience. Maybe he would be willing to do that. If not, we should settle for this

Nice try. Save that for the gameplay thread.

I'd argue that an abstention would be similar to someone in the U.S Congress voting "Present", actually.
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« Reply #79 on: August 02, 2020, 01:12:23 PM »

Procedural question

Do abstentions reduce the majority threshold?

Quote from: Article 32, Constitution of 1919
A resolution of the Reichstag requires a simple majority of the votes cast, except as the constitution requires another majority. The rules of procedure of the Reichstag may permit exceptions in the case of elections held by it.

I have been using the version availible on Wikisource here: https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Weimar_constitution
Is a simple majority not 50% of all the votes cast?

Generally an abstention does not count as a cast vote.
Well, I think it would be preferable for Herr Hitler to allow his MPs to vote their conscience. Maybe he would be willing to do that. If not, we should settle for this

Nice try. Save that for the gameplay thread.

I'd argue that an abstention would be similar to someone in the U.S Congress voting "Present", actually.
It was not a gameplay try. In fact it would disadvantage the government *eyeroll* But do your thing I guess
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« Reply #80 on: August 02, 2020, 01:16:00 PM »
« Edited: August 02, 2020, 01:23:10 PM by Dereich »

Procedural question

Do abstentions reduce the majority threshold?

Quote from: Article 32, Constitution of 1919
A resolution of the Reichstag requires a simple majority of the votes cast, except as the constitution requires another majority. The rules of procedure of the Reichstag may permit exceptions in the case of elections held by it.

I have been using the version availible on Wikisource here: https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Weimar_constitution
Is a simple majority not 50% of all the votes cast?

Generally an abstention does not count as a cast vote.
Well, I think it would be preferable for Herr Hitler to allow his MPs to vote their conscience. Maybe he would be willing to do that. If not, we should settle for this

Nice try. Save that for the gameplay thread.

I'd argue that an abstention would be similar to someone in the U.S Congress voting "Present", actually.

It would be the same. If 80 senators voted Present, a bill would pass with 11 votes. In systems that don't specify that the votes of a majority of members are needed, an abstention is essentially half a vote for aye and half a vote for nay.

If you'd like to read more, this law review article talks about the effects of abstentions. I'd pay particular note to page 24 (607 on the actual article) which describes relative quotas.
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« Reply #81 on: August 02, 2020, 02:32:28 PM »

This question is of vital importance to the current proposal

So I’d like to hear out GotFan and Devout Centrist too
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« Reply #82 on: August 02, 2020, 02:36:50 PM »

This question is of vital importance to the current proposal

So I’d like to hear out GotFan and Devout Centrist too

Legally, a majority of all non-abstaining votes would pass the motion.
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« Reply #83 on: August 02, 2020, 02:48:00 PM »

This question is of vital importance to the current proposal

So I’d like to hear out GotFan and Devout Centrist too

Legally, a majority of all non-abstaining votes would pass the motion.

That makes sense
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« Reply #84 on: August 03, 2020, 10:47:33 AM »

Wow, the Autobahn must really be popular if the Nazis, Nationalists, Communists and Socialists are all in favor of it.
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« Reply #85 on: August 03, 2020, 11:32:45 AM »

Nice to see everyone getting along Smiley
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« Reply #86 on: August 04, 2020, 07:17:08 PM »

Really tempted to join at this point, is there a character/party which is important to have filled? Have been going through some alternatives (Lettow Vorbeck, Rupprecht of Bavaria, Hugo Eckener, maybe Goering) but I'm unconvinced by them.
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« Reply #87 on: August 04, 2020, 07:19:42 PM »

Really tempted to join at this point, is there a character/party which is important to have filled? Have been going through some alternatives (Lettow Vorbeck, Rupprecht of Bavaria, Hugo Eckener, maybe Goering) but I'm unconvinced by them.

I could use a Goering or a Gregor Strasser.
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« Reply #88 on: August 04, 2020, 07:22:34 PM »

Really tempted to join at this point, is there a character/party which is important to have filled? Have been going through some alternatives (Lettow Vorbeck, Rupprecht of Bavaria, Hugo Eckener, maybe Goering) but I'm unconvinced by them.
Maybe Zentrum needs to have a party leader?
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« Reply #89 on: August 04, 2020, 07:32:37 PM »

Really tempted to join at this point, is there a character/party which is important to have filled? Have been going through some alternatives (Lettow Vorbeck, Rupprecht of Bavaria, Hugo Eckener, maybe Goering) but I'm unconvinced by them.
Maybe Zentrum needs to have a party leader?

I guess either Ludwig Kaas, or Bruning would be interesting, but I'd rather have a surrogate (especially Gregor Strasser)
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« Reply #90 on: August 04, 2020, 07:38:37 PM »

Really tempted to join at this point, is there a character/party which is important to have filled? Have been going through some alternatives (Lettow Vorbeck, Rupprecht of Bavaria, Hugo Eckener, maybe Goering) but I'm unconvinced by them.

Of those I recommend Rupprecht von Bayern, Lettow Vorbeck is also good.

Brüning is probably moving into irrelevance, but perhaps. Kaas is somewhat of a boring personality which little information on him, you'd really be just a Zentrum party man, when I can just do that myself.

Göring or Gregor Strasser could be helpful, and I am just introducing Otto Strasser back into politics as well.

Perhaps a military figure like Ludwig Beck? It's up to you! Cheesy
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« Reply #91 on: August 04, 2020, 08:19:43 PM »

My, it's surprisingly difficult to choose (changed my mind on Beck at the last moment). Still, Lettow-Vorbeck it is.

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« Reply #92 on: August 04, 2020, 08:29:28 PM »

My, it's surprisingly difficult to choose (changed my mind on Beck at the last moment). Still, Lettow-Vorbeck it is.



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« Reply #93 on: August 04, 2020, 08:35:49 PM »

My, it's surprisingly difficult to choose (changed my mind on Beck at the last moment). Still, Lettow-Vorbeck it is.



I had to look him up.

Needless to say, he'd be an excellent candidate for Reichswehr Secretary in a Hitler Cabinet...if not for the fact he distrusted Hitler...
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« Reply #94 on: August 04, 2020, 09:04:08 PM »

Any new players from here on out should probably take Nazi or leftist politicians though

We have many conservatives
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« Reply #95 on: August 04, 2020, 09:08:16 PM »

Any new players from here on out should probably take Nazi or leftist politicians though

We have many conservatives

I didn't choose the von Papen life. It chose me.
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« Reply #96 on: August 05, 2020, 01:49:02 PM »

Opening the door again for interviews

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« Reply #97 on: August 05, 2020, 01:56:36 PM »

Opening the door again for interviews

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Great, I'd like to request one.
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« Reply #98 on: August 05, 2020, 01:57:33 PM »

Opening the door again for interviews

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Hitler would be interested in an interview (don't the Nazis actually control a newspaper or two at this point?)
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« Reply #99 on: August 05, 2020, 02:37:35 PM »

Opening the door again for interviews

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Hitler would be interested in an interview (don't the Nazis actually control a newspaper or two at this point?)
Oh every party certainly does
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