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« Reply #75 on: June 25, 2020, 11:42:26 PM »

Great News, it’s great to know that we have a conservative and not a socialist holding the title of youngest representative

The moreover that in 2020 and 2024, Generation Z voters will increasingly become eligible to vote, which will likely give an advantage for Republicans as Generation Z tends to be more conservative than Millennials.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generation_Z#Political_views_and_participation

lol. Keep dreaming.
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« Reply #76 on: June 26, 2020, 12:10:20 AM »

Great News, it's great to know that we have a conservative and not a socialist holding the title of youngest representative

The moreover that in 2020 and 2024, Generation Z voters will increasingly become eligible to vote, which will likely give an advantage for Republicans as Generation Z tends to be more conservative than Millennials.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generation_Z#Political_views_and_participation

68% of 18-24 year olds voted for Democrats in the 2018 midterms. That's compared to 66% of 25-29 YOs, and 59% of 30-39.

https://www.cnn.com/election/2018/exit-polls

I don't see why the most ethnically diverse, secular, and queer generation in history should be more conservative than millennials.

To be fair, exit polls from 2018 and especially 2016 include a chunk of the youngest millennials if we're going by the most widely accepted definition of the Z generation (1997-onward), which muddles those results a bit. Of course, this also highlights another problem with dubbing Gen Z as conservative - the majority of this generation is not yet old enough to vote or have participated in an election (due to low turnout and generally apolitical nature of some young voters). One could argue that the vast swath of Gen Z doesn't have coherent, durable political views at all. The indicators of Generation Z's political leanings are pretty spotty, aside from what we can infer from exit polls, which show them to be about as left-wing as you can expect given their age.
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« Reply #77 on: June 26, 2020, 01:40:52 PM »

Great News, it’s great to know that we have a conservative and not a socialist holding the title of youngest representative

The moreover that in 2020 and 2024, Generation Z voters will increasingly become eligible to vote, which will likely give an advantage for Republicans as Generation Z tends to be more conservative than Millennials.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generation_Z#Political_views_and_participation

68% of 18-24 year olds voted for Democrats in the 2018 midterms. That's compared to 66% of 25-29 YOs, and 59% of 30-39.

https://www.cnn.com/election/2018/exit-polls

I don't see why the most ethnically diverse, secular, and queer generation in history should be more conservative than millennials.

You could make an argument that white zoomers are more conservative than white millenials, but that they are being outvoted by non-white zoomers maybe?
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« Reply #78 on: June 26, 2020, 03:06:35 PM »

It is possible. The audiences of right wing conjobs like Ben Shapiro and Jordan Peterson are increasingly white 20 year olds, particularly men. It just so happens that nonwhites outnumber white Gen Zers like 60-40 roughly.
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« Reply #79 on: June 26, 2020, 06:50:46 PM »

So, uh, turns out he’s pretty dumb.

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« Reply #80 on: June 26, 2020, 06:58:34 PM »

Dan Crenshaw is not going to like this guy one bit.
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« Reply #81 on: June 26, 2020, 08:28:27 PM »

So, uh, turns out he’s pretty dumb.



He is a staunch conservative Republican, so why should we be surprised? And I'm not surprised you would have this kind of reaction. You've made considerable noise about Dan Crenshaw, and seem to worship Conor Lamb.
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« Reply #82 on: June 26, 2020, 08:58:46 PM »

Whether or not you agree with a single payer system it is pretty stupid to say you would be dead under one. People have died waiting for health care under the system of private insurance especially when insurance companies were allowed to bar people with pre-existing conditions and cancel policies. A lack of regulation is what kills people.
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« Reply #83 on: June 26, 2020, 09:50:51 PM »

So, uh, turns out he’s pretty dumb.



He is a staunch conservative Republican, so why should we be surprised? And I'm not surprised you would have this kind of reaction. You've made considerable noise about Dan Crenshaw, and seem to worship Conor Lamb.

I... “worship” Conor Lamb?
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« Reply #84 on: June 26, 2020, 10:23:52 PM »

So, uh, turns out he’s pretty dumb.



He is a staunch conservative Republican, so why should we be surprised? And I'm not surprised you would have this kind of reaction. You've made considerable noise about Dan Crenshaw, and seem to worship Conor Lamb.

I... “worship” Conor Lamb?

You've made very favorable comments about him before. The point I was trying to make is that you've "found fault" (to put it kindly) with Cawthorn like you did with Dan Crenshaw, but those who have a negative view of say, Ocasio-Cortez, are misguided and deluded. Now, I don't support what Cawthorn said here, but I wouldn't go out and "hitting", if you will, at this juncture.
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« Reply #85 on: June 26, 2020, 10:28:27 PM »

So, uh, turns out he’s pretty dumb.



He is a staunch conservative Republican, so why should we be surprised? And I'm not surprised you would have this kind of reaction. You've made considerable noise about Dan Crenshaw, and seem to worship Conor Lamb.

I... “worship” Conor Lamb?

You've made very favorable comments about him before. The point I was trying to make is that you've "found fault" (to put it kindly) with Cawthorn like you did with Dan Crenshaw, but those who have a negative view of say, Ocasio-Cortez, are misguided and deluded. Now, I don't support what Cawthorn said here, but I wouldn't go out and "hitting", if you will, at this juncture.

So you're saying that... as a Democrat, I tend to dislike Republicans and like Democrats? Such a riveting and groundbreaking analysis.
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« Reply #86 on: June 26, 2020, 10:33:39 PM »

So, uh, turns out he’s pretty dumb.



He is a staunch conservative Republican, so why should we be surprised? And I'm not surprised you would have this kind of reaction. You've made considerable noise about Dan Crenshaw, and seem to worship Conor Lamb.

I... “worship” Conor Lamb?

You've made very favorable comments about him before. The point I was trying to make is that you've "found fault" (to put it kindly) with Cawthorn like you did with Dan Crenshaw, but those who have a negative view of say, Ocasio-Cortez, are misguided and deluded. Now, I don't support what Cawthorn said here, but I wouldn't go out and "hitting", if you will, at this juncture.

So you're saying that... as a Democrat, I tend to dislike Republicans and like Democrats? Such a riveting and groundbreaking analysis.

I don't think it's wrong for you to express your approval or disapproval of certain politicians, but you seem to take a certain glee when doing so. And in a way that could be construed as insensitive. But then again, I know from my previous interactions with you that you are among the most arrogant and obnoxious posters on this board, so it doesn't surprise me.
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« Reply #87 on: June 27, 2020, 01:34:53 AM »

Great News, it’s great to know that we have a conservative and not a socialist holding the title of youngest representative

The moreover that in 2020 and 2024, Generation Z voters will increasingly become eligible to vote, which will likely give an advantage for Republicans as Generation Z tends to be more conservative than Millennials.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generation_Z#Political_views_and_participation

68% of 18-24 year olds voted for Democrats in the 2018 midterms. That's compared to 66% of 25-29 YOs, and 59% of 30-39.

https://www.cnn.com/election/2018/exit-polls

I don't see why the most ethnically diverse, secular, and queer generation in history should be more conservative than millennials.

You could make an argument that white zoomers are more conservative than white millenials, but that they are being outvoted by non-white zoomers maybe?

I actually totally believe this. I know so many young white guys especially these days who define as Republicans, even in one of the more liberal parts of the Bay Area, but I don't overstate when I say I have met 0 non-white Republicans and just 2 R women (both from families that are about as stereotypical conservative as you can get -- one is part of big Irish family from NJ and other spends a quarter of the year in Southern Illinois).
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« Reply #88 on: June 27, 2020, 01:38:54 AM »

Whether or not you agree with a single payer system it is pretty stupid to say you would be dead under one. People have died waiting for health care under the system of private insurance especially when insurance companies were allowed to bar people with pre-existing conditions and cancel policies. A lack of regulation is what kills people.

Cancer 1 year death rates are 10% higher in the UK than the US. Please don't try to compare a truly miniscule (considering both how many programs we already have in place + all the massive social support those truly in need have access to)  to genuinely high death rates.

Also, people with pre-existing conditions were never "barred." There were always health insurance options in place for them -- just more expensive ones, because guess what? If you eat yourself into obesity and gain 300 pounds you're probably more likely to need medical attention then a healthy young athlete. Shocking, I know. What other infringements shall be placed upon our right to eat ourselves into the grave? WHERE DOES IT END?
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« Reply #89 on: June 27, 2020, 01:39:38 AM »

So, uh, turns out he’s pretty dumb.



Giga-chad alert

I hope he joins the Freedom Caucus
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« Reply #90 on: June 27, 2020, 11:34:33 AM »

Whether or not you agree with a single payer system it is pretty stupid to say you would be dead under one. People have died waiting for health care under the system of private insurance especially when insurance companies were allowed to bar people with pre-existing conditions and cancel policies. A lack of regulation is what kills people.

Cancer 1 year death rates are 10% higher in the UK than the US. Please don't try to compare a truly miniscule (considering both how many programs we already have in place + all the massive social support those truly in need have access to)  to genuinely high death rates.

Also, people with pre-existing conditions were never "barred." There were always health insurance options in place for them -- just more expensive ones, because guess what? If you eat yourself into obesity and gain 300 pounds you're probably more likely to need medical attention then a healthy young athlete. Shocking, I know. What other infringements shall be placed upon our right to eat ourselves into the grave? WHERE DOES IT END?
What if the person can't afford the insurance, there are many people in the US, including many good people who live PAYCHECK-TO-PAYCHECK, and yet you are talking about fat people. I have autism and the Affordable Care Act helps people like me who's parents are less fortunate. My parents are fortunate and we are upper middle class, but when my brother after riding a bike down a steep hill and crashing and getting a fracture, I felt bad for them because of the bills. I don't care if taxes are increased because it would be cheaper for somebody in a accident. Without Obamacare, there would be lifetime limits, which would have put many families in debt for bills that they couldn't pay.
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« Reply #91 on: June 28, 2020, 04:10:29 AM »
« Edited: June 28, 2020, 04:13:31 AM by Sen. Mark Meadows »

Whether or not you agree with a single payer system it is pretty stupid to say you would be dead under one. People have died waiting for health care under the system of private insurance especially when insurance companies were allowed to bar people with pre-existing conditions and cancel policies. A lack of regulation is what kills people.

Cancer 1 year death rates are 10% higher in the UK than the US. Please don't try to compare a truly miniscule (considering both how many programs we already have in place + all the massive social support those truly in need have access to)  to genuinely high death rates.

Also, people with pre-existing conditions were never "barred." There were always health insurance options in place for them -- just more expensive ones, because guess what? If you eat yourself into obesity and gain 300 pounds you're probably more likely to need medical attention then a healthy young athlete. Shocking, I know. What other infringements shall be placed upon our right to eat ourselves into the grave? WHERE DOES IT END?
What if the person can't afford the insurance, there are many people in the US, including many good people who live PAYCHECK-TO-PAYCHECK

Then I will gladly voluntarily donate to help, but you do not have a right to the labor of another. Your insistence that person #1 making bad life choices and ending up in a dead end job entitles you to force everyone else to deal with a sh**tty healthcare system and government sponsored robbery/wealth redistribution is really odd and offputting.

Whether or not you agree with a single payer system it is pretty stupid to say you would be dead under one. People have died waiting for health care under the system of private insurance especially when insurance companies were allowed to bar people with pre-existing conditions and cancel policies. A lack of regulation is what kills people.

Cancer 1 year death rates are 10% higher in the UK than the US. Please don't try to compare a truly miniscule (considering both how many programs we already have in place + all the massive social support those truly in need have access to)  to genuinely high death rates.

Also, people with pre-existing conditions were never "barred." There were always health insurance options in place for them -- just more expensive ones, because guess what? If you eat yourself into obesity and gain 300 pounds you're probably more likely to need medical attention then a healthy young athlete. Shocking, I know. What other infringements shall be placed upon our right to eat ourselves into the grave? WHERE DOES IT END?
WMy parents are fortunate and we are upper middle class, but when my brother after riding a bike down a steep hill and crashing and getting a fracture, I felt bad for them because of the bills.

Okay, well, if you want to hire a doctor and take up their time and their labor, someone is going to pay for it. The only question is whether the person who is using the services should pay for their own mistakes, or whether they should be allowed to threaten their neighbor to pay instead.

Whether or not you agree with a single payer system it is pretty stupid to say you would be dead under one. People have died waiting for health care under the system of private insurance especially when insurance companies were allowed to bar people with pre-existing conditions and cancel policies. A lack of regulation is what kills people.

Cancer 1 year death rates are 10% higher in the UK than the US. Please don't try to compare a truly miniscule (considering both how many programs we already have in place + all the massive social support those truly in need have access to)  to genuinely high death rates.

Also, people with pre-existing conditions were never "barred." There were always health insurance options in place for them -- just more expensive ones, because guess what? If you eat yourself into obesity and gain 300 pounds you're probably more likely to need medical attention then a healthy young athlete. Shocking, I know. What other infringements shall be placed upon our right to eat ourselves into the grave? WHERE DOES IT END?
I don't care if taxes are increased because it would be cheaper for somebody in a accident.

That has to be the worst argument I've ever heard. No exaggeration either -- you do realize that taxes can outweigh other costs? Would you rather have to pay $5,000 once, or pay $20,000 over 20 years for something you never need, because, you know, you're not an idiot driver? (though even that is an understatement, because it implies you even have a choice under this system, ignores differences in quality of care, and totally ignores the principle of personal responsibility).

If you feel so strongly about helping people who crash their cars into other people though, go find a GoFundMe or something -- but please don't try to rope others into being robbed at gunpoint to pay instead.
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« Reply #92 on: June 28, 2020, 07:30:08 AM »

On the "Gen Z political leanings" point:
I don't think people should say anything definitive or conclusive about the voting patterns of the Generation Z.
Assuming we use 1997 as a starting point, the oldest Zoomer is 23 years old. Most of the Gen Z is currently underage.
A minuscule fraction of the American Gen Z was eligible to vote in 2016; a larger but still fairly small was eligible to vote in 2018; it is my understanding that younger voters in the US have always been less likely to vote than older voters.
So the actual voting data is likely to be as meaningful as it is trying to infer Hispanic American voting patterns based on Miami-Dade County.
Also: political identity is still in flux for people who are 18 - 24 years old (as every voting-eligible Zoomer is), and between that and all the people born in the 00's, the decade just started is likely to have the most impact on the political preferences of the American Generation Z.
Who knows where we'll be at in 10 or 15 years?

P. S. 
1. Madison Cawthorn is Generation Y, by the way
2. I was born in the 21st century, so yes, I am Gen Z
3. I am Italian and not willing to give anecdotal evidence about this topic because Italian Zoomers could well be very different from American Zoomers
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