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Question: How would you feel giving money to people (or their direct descendants) who were clearly and easily proven harmed by racist action (or inaction) of a local govt?
#1
yes, and I think reparations are generally a good idea
 
#2
yes, I'm not normally for this kind of thing
 
#3
possibly, I need to think more on it
 
#4
probably not, but I get it more so than a more broadly applied reparations
 
#5
absolutely not
 
#6
blah blah blah
 
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« on: June 21, 2020, 05:23:17 PM »

Thinking specifically about the Tulsa Race Massacre (link)

Should the city of Tulsa, the state of Oklahoma and the US federal govt get together and pay these people?  Where there is ample evidence that the state either assisted or even just willing allowed people's civil rights to be violated in the recent past and we can prove who owned what, and it's approximate value the day before the massacre, convert the value to today's dollars and add, say, 20% just to be nice, and give it to the direct descendants of the people who owned the property.  I'm not 100% sure where I'm at, but I'm leaning towards this being a good idea.  Am I wrong?  If your grandpappy owned a thriving lumber business that was burned down by a racist mob while the authorities stood by and did nothing (or assisted), it seems to me your life has been negatively affected by that action and you have a good argument for compensation.  I think there should be a line, but 1921 wasn't all that long ago.
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« Reply #1 on: June 21, 2020, 05:33:04 PM »

Thinking specifically about the Tulsa Race Massacre (link)
Where there is ample evidence that the state either assisted or even just willing allowed people's civil rights to be violated in the recent past and we can prove who owned what, and it's approximate value the day before the massacre, convert the value to today's dollars and add, say, 20% just to be nice, and give it to the direct descendants of the people who owned the property.

I don't think you appreciate many potential pitfalls there are to identifying damages like this, and even if you could it still wouldn't be a good idea. 

The money would be better redistributed by putting it into after-school programs for Black kids or assistance to Black-owned small businesses.
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« Reply #2 on: June 22, 2020, 01:37:23 AM »

I'd go even further. I would support wealth redistribution on a total scale, wherein all property is confiscated by the US government, each citizen is given an equal amount of money, and the property is then sold back to the citizenry bit by bit, resulting in a completely equal distribution of wealth-- on two conditions:

1) From thereon out, the US will operate in a state of total laissez-faire capitalism with no exceptions.
2) Nobody ever gets to complain about their economic situation ever again for the rest of eternity.
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« Reply #3 on: June 22, 2020, 07:53:56 AM »

Redfordations would be quite divisive even when limited to specific groups. You'd have to certain that both some other approach wouldn't work and that it'd be worth the backlash to even consider them.
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« Reply #4 on: June 22, 2020, 08:15:17 AM »

Redfordations would be quite divisive even when limited to specific groups. You'd have to certain that both some other approach wouldn't work and that it'd be worth the backlash to even consider them.

I was about to say, "Didn't they make a whole show on this?"
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« Reply #5 on: June 22, 2020, 09:22:36 AM »

Redfordations would be quite divisive even when limited to specific groups. You'd have to certain that both some other approach wouldn't work and that it'd be worth the backlash to even consider them.

I was about to say, "Didn't they make a whole show on this?"

Yeah, but who watches Secretary "Skip" Gates?
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« Reply #6 on: June 22, 2020, 03:33:31 PM »

I'd go even further. I would support wealth redistribution on a total scale, wherein all property is confiscated by the US government, each citizen is given an equal amount of money, and the property is then sold back to the citizenry bit by bit, resulting in a completely equal distribution of wealth-- on two conditions:

1) From thereon out, the US will operate in a state of total laissez-faire capitalism with no exceptions.
2) Nobody ever gets to complain about their economic situation ever again for the rest of eternity.

For this to be fair, it would have to be repeated for each successive generation.
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« Reply #7 on: June 22, 2020, 03:36:13 PM »

I'd go even further. I would support wealth redistribution on a total scale, wherein all property is confiscated by the US government, each citizen is given an equal amount of money, and the property is then sold back to the citizenry bit by bit, resulting in a completely equal distribution of wealth-- on two conditions:

1) From thereon out, the US will operate in a state of total laissez-faire capitalism with no exceptions.
2) Nobody ever gets to complain about their economic situation ever again for the rest of eternity.

For this to be fair, it would have to be repeated for each successive generation.

Oh? So wealth can't be inherited, but guilt and victimhood can?
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