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« on: June 21, 2020, 11:41:45 AM »

https://www.ktuu.com/content/news/Alaskans-to-vote-on--571359301.html

The initiative would replace partisan primaries with open top-4 primaries for state executive, state legislative, & congressional races (a-la CA & WA except it'd be top-4 instead of top-2), & would establish RCV for general elections, with voters ranking the 4 candidates that came out on top in the open primaries. It would also establish RCV for presidential elections.
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« Reply #1 on: June 21, 2020, 11:58:44 AM »

Awesome!
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« Reply #2 on: June 21, 2020, 12:08:08 PM »
« Edited: June 21, 2020, 12:27:36 PM by Storr »

It could work well in a state with some quirky political habits (frequent Independent Governors, coalition legislature majorities, etc.), similar to Maine. It will be interesting to see if the initiative gains support or broad appeal.
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« Reply #3 on: June 21, 2020, 12:25:22 PM »

So general election ballots will have 4 candidates?
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« Reply #4 on: June 21, 2020, 12:26:01 PM »

It could work well in a state with some quirky political habits (Independent Governors, coalition legislature majorities, etc.), similar to Maine. It will be interesting to see if the initiative gains support or broad appeal.

It'll definitely be good for Murkowski, if nothing else.

So general election ballots will have 4 candidates?

Yes.
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« Reply #5 on: June 21, 2020, 02:37:15 PM »

What are the odds this passes?
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« Reply #6 on: June 21, 2020, 02:49:28 PM »


There's been no polling yet, so who knows? Here's hoping...
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« Reply #7 on: June 21, 2020, 07:14:53 PM »

neat, meanwhile Republicans here are trying (again, like, attempt number 4) to undo the ranked choice.
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« Reply #8 on: June 23, 2020, 08:44:43 PM »

This is great! This is definitely something I'm going to watch for in November now.

It would be nice to see a poll for this soon. Alaska's such a politically volatile state that I could see either outcome prevailing by a decent majority.
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« Reply #9 on: June 23, 2020, 09:02:45 PM »

Neat, it isn’t as good as a proportional system with a threshold, but it’s better than nothing.
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« Reply #10 on: June 23, 2020, 09:13:31 PM »

As others have said, this would makes a lot of sense for a state with an independent streak like Alaska. Let's hope Alaskans vote for it, because this could be adopted by other states.

Ranked-choice voting would significantly weaken the two parties' hold on American politics (which is why they would never allow it to happen nationwide), but one can dream. I imagine the Libertarian Party in Alaska in particular is loving this.
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« Reply #11 on: June 23, 2020, 09:28:46 PM »

Interesting.
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« Reply #12 on: October 02, 2020, 11:18:00 AM »
« Edited: October 02, 2020, 09:46:04 PM by TiltsAreUnderrated »

We have our first poll for this (from an interested party): https://alaskansforbetterelections.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/AK-Ballot-Measure-2-Results.pdf

Mercury Analytics/Claster Consulting
Conducted for Alaskans for Better Elections, which supports the amendment
September 22-27
803 likely voters
MoE: 3.5%

Yes 59%
No 17%
Undecided/don't know 24%

Edit: looking at the crosstabs, it's clear they polled the presidential race but aren't releasing toplines. I had hoped to extrapolate them from the results published, but there is clearly a significant "undecided/third party" vote in the presidential contest which is not listed as a crosstab for the RCV referendum result. Sad
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« Reply #13 on: October 02, 2020, 11:30:11 AM »

We have our first poll for this (from an interested party): https://alaskansforbetterelections.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/AK-Ballot-Measure-2-Results.pdf

Mercury Analytics/Claster Consulting
Conducted for Alaskans for Better Elections, which supports the amendment
September 22-27
803 likely voters
MoE: 3.5%

Yes 59%
No 17%
Undecided/don't know 24%

how would the remaining 24% vote
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« Reply #14 on: October 04, 2020, 10:55:26 PM »

IRV is something I could actually see spreading throughout America. It's a far cry from proportional representation, but it's still an improvement I guess, and much more likely to happen.
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« Reply #15 on: October 06, 2020, 02:55:55 AM »

This sounds pretty cool. I hope it passes because I definitely want to see the top-4 primary in action.
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« Reply #16 on: October 06, 2020, 08:53:33 PM »

New polls are in for Alaska's ballot initiatives

Alaska Survey Research
September 26 - October 4
696 likely voters

Measure 1: North Slope Oil Production Tax Increase Initiative (would increase tax on North Slope oil fields with lifetime output of >=400 million barrels of oil and a daily output of 40,000 barrels in the last year)



Measure 2: Top-Four Ranked-Choice Voting and Campaign Finance

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« Reply #17 on: October 06, 2020, 09:10:19 PM »

Woot!
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« Reply #18 on: October 12, 2020, 01:14:29 PM »

This is certainly nothing like proportional representation, however ranked choice does obliterate the "wasted vote" argument.  Also, Alaska with its electoral quirkiness is a great place for it.
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« Reply #19 on: October 12, 2020, 01:43:52 PM »

So the primary isn't ranked choice, just the top 4 runoff?

So to get there, you still have to come in the top 4 of first preference. May not be that great for 3rd parties if Ds and Rs both have multiple legitimate candidates.

I like it though. What if a candidate gets over 50% in the primary? Still a top 4 anyway?
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« Reply #20 on: October 12, 2020, 02:09:32 PM »

I'll be honest, I'm not a huge fan of this "top four" jungle primary idea. On the other hand, if it gets people in the rest of the country thinking about RCV it will be a net positive, I guess?
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« Reply #21 on: October 18, 2020, 12:02:59 PM »

What would this do for the 2022 Senate race?

Recent history would suggest we get a four way race between Murkowski, a hard-right Republican, a Democrat and an independent. Could it pull Murkowski to one last surprise?
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« Reply #22 on: October 18, 2020, 06:58:15 PM »

Why can't they just use IRV for the first round to get a winner right away?
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« Reply #23 on: October 19, 2020, 12:29:44 AM »

Why can't they just use IRV for the first round to get a winner right away?
That's what we do in Minneapolis municipal elections. It's widely supported because it saves money requiring only one round of voting instead of two, but you can only rank three out of a ton of candidates. Less of an issue here since most are jokes as are all Republican candidates anyway, but in a statewide election that's more of an issue. I presume that's the reasoning at least.
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« Reply #24 on: October 19, 2020, 03:14:00 AM »

Why can't they just use IRV for the first round to get a winner right away?
IRV with many candidates is extremely messy and still causes spoiler effects, better to winnow the field first (though better yet would be to use a method that passes independence of irrelevant alternatives and thus doesn't require winnowing).
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