Every statue removed or torn down of our founding fathers and presidents should be restored

[TiltsAreUnderrated]

Might I suggest to Portland these alternatives than Washington:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lola_Baldwin - one of the first female police officers
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_Engelbart - invented the computer mouse
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linus_Pauling - co-founder of quantum chemistry and molecular biology

But where did they stand on LGBTQAI2+ issues?

Remember, the new standard is that all people commemorated with statues have to be in full agreement with 2020 woke ideology.

This. I can see a case for pulling down statues of imperfect historical figures, but replacing these is a doomed endeavour because even the (as of yet) uncancelled were imperfect individuals whose own flaws have either been temporarily overlooked or were lost in the fog of history. If you're going to go after Ulysses Grant, you may as well argue against statues altogether ("No gods, no masters," would certainly be a more interesting debate than the latest moronic front of the culture wars).

[FEMA Camp Administrator]

Im saying he should denounce this cause of the influence the 1619 project had in this. The 1619 project is an NY Times supported projected, and given the NY times is a huge influence on intellectual liberalism and he needs to denounce the 1619 project .

Uhh, what? Lol.

NY Times is to Liberalism what the WSJ/National Review  is to Conservatism

But those organs have no influence whatsoever.

They have a bit, and used to have a lot more so have some role in shaping where the traditional US variants of these ideologies stand today.

I, too, remember when they successfully pooled their resources and stopped Trump's 2016 primary campaign in its tracks.

[Figueira]

Wow, the pro-slavery crowd is getting really triggered by this one.

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

Wow, the pro-slavery crowd is getting really triggered by this one.

My username once led you to claim I was somehow endorsing your murder. I think you have to sit this one out.

[The Free North]

Wow, the pro-slavery crowd is getting really triggered by this one.

Literally imagine thinking George Washington's legacy is slavery.

[hurricanehink]

Might I suggest to Portland these alternatives than Washington:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lola_Baldwin - one of the first female police officers
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_Engelbart - invented the computer mouse
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linus_Pauling - co-founder of quantum chemistry and molecular biology

But where did they stand on LGBTQAI2+ issues?

Remember, the new standard is that all people commemorated with statues have to be in full agreement with 2020 woke ideology.

There’s a huge difference between supporting slavery and having a questionable record on LGBT issues. As a gay man, I’m ok that most people born before 1950 didn’t have the best record on gay issues. Only a certain segment of the population born since 1950 support racists and the confederacy. I believe supporting people contributing to the sciences and society’s well being is very much in line with 2020 “woke” ideology.

[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

Jesus Christ OSR.
Someone topples over a George Washington statue, and you go berserk.
And this, "if Biden doesn't disown (disavows)," makes you sound like wacky Fuzzy. Get a grip.

This. The statue is a symbol. Personally, I'd prefer to see it put back up. But it is just a symbol. Vandalizing it in anger does little damage our democracy, nor does it demolishing the pillars of our nation. (Even if I think that anger is misplaced.) The government of the coward Donald Trump and his Banana Republicans, on the other hand, is actively attacking the real bedrock of our nation: honesty, faith, rule of law, democracy, and responsible use of power.


Adding: There's also the question of whether this was actually done by protesters or provocateurs (either government- or Republican-sponsored). There is so much infiltration and provocation, and acts like this seem so helpful to the right, that I don't think we can assign blame absent some solid evidence. 

[All Along The Watchtower]

I’m curious as to what exactly all this vandalism is supposed to accomplish in terms of racial, social, or historical justice - or accomplish, period. What’s the end game here? Hell, what’s the short-term goal here? Inquiring minds would like to know.

[beaver2.0]

The way I think about the memory of the founding fathers is that, while the nation they created was not at the time fair for all people, the constitutional government they created have allowed for democratic reform.  So, while we should recognize the failings of the founders, I believe they were, on the whole, beneficial for their creation of the US.

[7,052,770]

How many of these statue-topplers and spraypainters are even going to vote for Biden? I don't see why Biden bears any responsibility here.

[Roblox]

Oh no not the chunk of metal.

[lfromnj]

Lmao at leftists saying it doesn't matter when their side is the one triggered enough to be tearing it down.

[Koharu]

[FEMA Camp Administrator]

I’m curious as to what exactly all this vandalism is supposed to accomplish in terms of racial, social, or historical justice - or accomplish, period. What’s the end game here? Hell, what’s the short-term goal here? Inquiring minds would like to know.

In criminology, we distinguish between expressive and instrumental crime.

[Warren 4 Secretary of Everything]

Can we all agree to the criteria of “if your legacy was almost entirely about racism/slavery, you don’t get a statue”? I feel like that’s fair. Andrew Jackson and the Confederates don’t get memorials. Jefferson and Washington get to keep there’s. End of story.

[7,052,770]

Lmao at leftists saying it doesn't matter when their side is the one triggered enough to be tearing it down.

How are a bunch of people who probably aren't going to vote (and if they do will be for Hawkins, #writeinBernie, or a socialist candidate) on our side?

[💥💥 brandon bro (he/him/his)]

lmao @ the idea that OSR genuinely cares about a statue of George Washington

[Cashew]

Oh no not the chunk of metal.

I'm guessing you believe confederate statues should remain in place as well then? They are simply "chunks of metal" after all, devoid of meaning, nor does their removal carry any symbolic weight of its own.

[Figueira]

Wow, the pro-slavery crowd is getting really triggered by this one.

Literally imagine thinking George Washington's legacy is slavery.

Imagine thinking that slavery is just a minor character flaw that can be looked past.

[OSR stands with Israel]

Biden needs to call these thugs out as well and disown the 1619 project . While I am not supporting Trump I’m gonna write in Mitt Romney in the general unless Biden disowns this cause if Biden doesn’t then he is not the same Joe Biden that I really liked and respected and he will have proven himself to be no different than someone like Kirsten Gilibrand or gulp Elizabeth Warren

What has Joe Biden done to convince you that he has anything but pride in the United States as a civilization?

Does he need to burn a copy of Howard Zinn out of his home library to convince you?

It’s the 1619 project and the fact that so many prominent liberals are endorsing it.



Also Biden caving to Bernie in student loan forgiveness, making AOC a top advisor on the environment, caved to SJW on reparations and the fact he opposed those policies were why I supported him in the primaries in the first place .  If he doesn’t have the guts to call not the 1619 project for the Malarky it’s spreading then he is not at all the same Joe Biden I once liked and respected

[OSR stands with Israel]

How many of these statue-topplers and spraypainters are even going to vote for Biden? I don't see why Biden bears any responsibility here.

It’s not the status’s per say but the fact that much of the left is openly endorsing trashing our nation, and making our nation seem like an evil nation and that is not just happening by these protesters but The NY Times with the 1619 project was a huge part of this .

[parochial boy]

Seen from this side of the Atlantic, it certainly isn't the left that is trashing the USA's image. I can tell you that much for free.

[GeneralMacArthur]

I literally forgot the 1619 project existed until OSR mentioned it in this thread.

Nobody actually cares about some random article(s) in the NYT.  Biden is running to be president, not a media critic.  I don't really care what his opinion is on a series of articles he's probably never read.

[OSR stands with Israel]

I literally forgot the 1619 project existed until OSR mentioned it in this thread.

Nobody actually cares about some random article(s) in the NYT.  Biden is running to be president, not a media critic.  I don't really care what his opinion is on a series of articles he's probably never read.

The NY Times has a major impact on the Dem party and liberalism as a whole .

[TiltsAreUnderrated]

I literally forgot the 1619 project existed until OSR mentioned it in this thread.

Nobody actually cares about some random article(s) in the NYT.  Biden is running to be president, not a media critic.  I don't really care what his opinion is on a series of articles he's probably never read.

The NY Times has a major impact on the Dem party and liberalism as a whole .

Not anymore. See: their Klobuchar/Warren endorsement.

They occasionally reflect what's in the party at a given time, but their attempts to act as its upscale gatekeepers fail miserably and they are laughably unaware about how out of touch with the party on so many issues (to be clear, there's nothing wrong with them being out of touch in principle, but they don't seem to have registered it).