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« on: June 14, 2020, 05:53:08 PM »
« edited: June 17, 2020, 08:45:46 PM by darklordoftech »

1796: Not sure
1800: Adams more hawkish towards France and Navy buildup, Jefferson more hawkish towards pirates
1804: Not sure
1808: Not sure
1812: Madison more hawkish, Clinton more dovish
1816: Not sure
1820: N/A
1824: Adams most dovish, Jackson most hawkish, Clay in between them, not sure about Crawford
1828: Jackson more hawkish, Adams more dovish
1832: Jackson more hawkish, Clay more dovish
1836: Not sure
1840: Not sure
1844: Polk more hawkish, Clay more dovish
1848: Not sure
1852: Not sure
1856: Not sure
1860: Lincoln most hawkish towards the South, Breckinridge most hawkish towards the North
1864: Lincoln more hawkish towards the South
1868: Grant more hawkish towards the South
1872: Grant more hawkish towards the South
1876: Tilden was probably thought to be more dovish towards the South
1880: Garfield more hawkish, Hancock more dovish
1884: Blaine more hawkish, Cleveland more dovish
1888: Harrison more hawkish, Cleveland more dovish
1892: Harrison more hawkish, Cleveland and Weaver more dovish
1896: McKinley more hawkish, Bryan more dovish
1900: McKinley more hawkish, Bryan more dovish
1904: No difference
1908: Taft more hawkish, Bryan more dovish
1912: Roosevelt probably perceived as most hawkish, Wilson probably perceived as more dovish than Taft
1916: Hughes seemed to be more hawkish and Wilson seemed to be more dovish
1920: Not sure
1924: Not sure
1928: Smith more hawkish, Hoover more dovish
1932: Roosevelt more hawkish, Hoover more dovish
1936: No difference
1940: No difference
1944: No difference
1948: No difference
1952: Eisenhower more hawkish, Stevenson more dovish
1956: Eisenhower more hawkish, Stevenson more dovish
1960: Kennedy more hawkish, Nixon more dovish
1964: Goldwater more hawkish, Lyndon more dovish
1968: Not sure
1972: Nixon more hawkish, McGovern more dovish
1976: Ford more hawkish, Carter more dovish
1980: Reagan more hawkish, Carter more dovish
1984: Reagan more hawkish, Mondale more dovish
1988: Bush more hawkish, Dukakis more dovish
1992: Clinton more hawkish, Bush more dovish
1996: Dole more hawkish, Clinton more dovish
2000: Bush more hawkish, Gore more dovish
2004: Bush more hawkish, Kerry more dovish
2008: McCain more hawkish, Obama more dovish
2012: Romney more hawkish, Obama more dovish
2016: Trump more hawkish, Hillary more dovish
2020: Trump more hawkish, Biden more dovish

For 1996, 2000, and 2016, I prioritized Iraq, Iran, North Korea, and China policy over (for 1996 and 2000) Haiti, Bosnia, and Kosovo policy and (for 2016) Syria and Russia policy.
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« Reply #1 on: June 14, 2020, 10:44:50 PM »

Great list! I don't know about many candidates war views (such as Jackson), but here's some info
Clay was pretty hawkish outside his opposition to the war over Texas. I'd argue he was the McCain of his day. I do not know Jackson's or Polk's views however.
Jefferson was more hawkish on pirates than Adams was.
But I believe Adams was more in favor of sizing up a navy. I think you're right however.
Garfield and Blaine supported sizing up the navy. Blaine was for sure more hawkish than Cleveland. Teddy Roosevelt was arguably more hawkish than Alton Parker also.
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« Reply #2 on: June 14, 2020, 11:43:39 PM »
« Edited: June 14, 2020, 11:58:06 PM by darklordoftech »

Jackson ignored a SCOTUS decision to persue his Indian Removal policies (claiming that the President is elected and the SCOTUS isn’t) and Polk was a single issue pro-war-for-Texas candidate. In fact, the phrase “Manifest Destiny” was coined by a Polk supporter.
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« Reply #3 on: June 15, 2020, 10:05:54 AM »

1796: Not sure
1800: Jefferson more dovish, Adams more hawkish
1804: Not sure
1808: Not sure
1812: Madison more hawkish, Clinton more dovish
1816: Not sure
1820: N/A
1824: Adams most dovish, Jackson most hawkish, Clay in between them, not sure about Crawford
1828: Jackson more hawkish, Adams more dovish
1832: Jackson more hawkish, Clay more dovish
1836: Not sure
1840: Not sure
1844: Polk more hawkish, Clay more dovish
1848: Not sure
1852: Not sure
1856: Not sure
1860: Lincoln most hawkish towards the South, Breckinridge most hawkish towards the North
1864: Lincoln more hawkish towards the South
1868: Grant more hawkish towards the South
1872: Grant more hawkish towards the South
1876: Tilden was probably thought to be more dovish towards the South
1880: Not sure
1884: Not sure
1888: Harrison more hawkish, Cleveland more dovish
1892: Harrison more hawkish, Cleveland and Weaver more dovish
1896: McKinley more hawkish, Bryan more dovish
1900: McKinley more hawkish, Bryan more dovish
1904: No difference
1908: Taft more hawkish, Bryan more dovish
1912: Roosevelt probably perceived as most hawkish, Wilson probably perceived as more dovish than Taft
1916: Hughes seemed to be more hawkish and Wilson seemed to be more dovish
1920: Not sure
1924: Not sure
1928: Smith more hawkish, Hoover more dovish
1932: Roosevelt more hawkish, Hoover more dovish
1936: No difference
1940: No difference
1944: No difference
1948: No difference
1952: Eisenhower more hawkish, Stevenson more dovish
1956: Eisenhower more hawkish, Stevenson more dovish
1960: Kennedy more hawkish, Nixon more dovish
1964: Goldwater more hawkish, Lyndon more dovish
1968: Not sure
1972: Nixon more hawkish, McGovern more dovish
1976: Ford more hawkish, Carter more dovish
1980: Reagan more hawkish, Carter more dovish
1984: Reagan more hawkish, Mondale more dovish
1988: Bush more hawkish, Dukakis more dovish
1992: Clinton more hawkish, Bush more dovish
1996: Dole more hawkish, Clinton more dovish
2000: Bush more hawkish, Gore more dovish
2004: Bush more hawkish, Kerry more dovish
2008: McCain more hawkish, Obama more dovish
2012: Romney more hawkish, Obama more dovish
2016: Trump more hawkish, Hillary more dovish
2020: Trump more hawkish, Biden more dovish

For 1996, 2000, and 2016, I prioritized Iraq, Iran, North Korea, and China policy over (for 1996 and 2000) Haiti, Bosnia, and Kosovo policy and (for 2016) Syria and Russia policy.

Agree with most of these but for 2016 and 2020 Trump is a non-interventionist.
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« Reply #4 on: June 15, 2020, 10:49:47 AM »

Jackson ignored a SCOTUS decision to persue his Indian Removal policies (claiming that the President is elected and the SCOTUS isn’t) and Polk was a single issue pro-war-for-Texas candidate. In fact, the phrase “Manifest Destiny” was coined by a Polk supporter.

Not just Texas. The Democrats famously demanded "54-40 or fight!" in regard to the Oregon boundary dispute with British North America.
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« Reply #5 on: June 17, 2020, 09:04:22 PM »

But I believe Adams was more in favor of sizing up a navy. I think you're right however.
Garfield and Blaine supported sizing up the navy. Blaine was for sure more hawkish than Cleveland.
I edited the OP according to these things.
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« Reply #6 on: June 17, 2020, 10:10:29 PM »
« Edited: July 01, 2020, 11:59:53 PM by L.D. Smith »

1796: Tie
1800: J. Adams/Jefferson
1804: No idea
1808: No idea
1812: Madison/D. Clinton
1816: Monroe/King
1820: N/A
1824: Jackson/Clay/J.Q. Adams
1828: Jackson/J.Q. Adams
1832: Jackson
1836: No idea
1840: W. Harrison/Van Buren
1844: Polk/Clay
1848: Cass/Taylor
1852: No idea
1856: Fremont/Buchanan
1860: Lincoln to The South, Breckinridge to The North/Douglas
1864: Lincoln/McClellan
1868: Grant/Seymour
1872: Grant/Greeley
1876: Hayes/Tilden
1880: Garfield/Hancock
1884: Blaine/Cleveland
1888: B. Harrison/Cleveland
1892: B. Harrison/Cleveland...no idea about Weaver
1896: McKinley/Bryan
1900: McKinley/Bryan
1904: T. Roosevelt/Parker
1908: Taft/Bryan
1912: T. Roosevelt/Wilson/Taft
1916: Hughes/Wilson
1920: Cox/Harding
1924: Davis/Coolidge/LaFollette
1928: Smith/Hoover
1932: F. Roosevelt/Hoover
1936: Tie
1940: Willkie/F. Roosevelt
1944: F. Roosevelt/Dewey
1948: Thurmond/Truman/Dewey/H. Wallace
1952: Eisenhower/Stevenson
1956: Eisenhower/Stevenson
1960: Kennedy/Nixon
1964: Goldwater/L. Johnson
1968: G. Wallace/Humphrey/Nixon
1972: Nixon/McGovern
1976: Ford/Carter
1980: Reagan/Anderson/Carter
1984: Reagan/Mondale
1988: G.H.W. Bush/Dukakis
1992: Not sure
1996: Not sure
2000: Gore/G.W. Bush
2004: G.W. Bush/Kerry
2008: McCain/Obama
2012: Romney/Obama
2016: H. Clinton/Trump
2020: Tie
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« Reply #7 on: June 17, 2020, 11:29:49 PM »

1796: Tie
1800: J. Adams/Jefferson
1804: No idea
1808: No idea
1812: Madison/D. Clinton
1816: Monroe/King
1820: N/A
1824: Jackson/Clay/J.Q. Adams
1828: Jackson/J.Q. Adams
1832: Jackson
1836: No idea
1840: W. Harrison/Van Buren
1844: Polk/Clay
1848: Cass/Taylor
1852: No idea
1856: Fremont/Buchanan
1860: Lincoln to The South, Breckinridge to The North/Douglas
1864: Lincoln/McClellan
1868: Grant/Seymour
1872: Grant/Greeley
1876: Hayes/Tilden
1880: Garfield/Hancock
1884: Blaine/Cleveland
1888: B. Harrison/Cleveland
1892: B. Harrison/Cleveland...no idea about Weaver
1896: McKinley/Bryan
1900: McKinley/Bryan
1904: T. Roosevelt/Parker
1908: Taft/Bryan
1912: T. Roosevelt/Wilson/Taft
1916: Hughes/Wilson
1920: Cox/Harding
1924: LaFollette/Coolidge/Davis
1928: Smith/Hoover
1932: F. Roosevelt/Hoover
1936: Tie
1940: Willkie/F. Roosevelt
1944: F. Roosevelt/Dewey
1948: Thurmond/Truman/Dewey/H. Wallace
1952: Eisenhower/Stevenson
1956: Eisenhower/Stevenson
1960: Kennedy/Nixon
1964: Goldwater/L. Johnson
1968: G. Wallace/Humphrey/Nixon
1972: Nixon/McGovern
1976: Ford/Carter
1980: Reagan/Anderson/Carter
1984: Reagan/Mondale
1988: G.H.W. Bush/Dukakis
1992: Not sure
1996: Not sure
2000: Gore/G.W. Bush
2004: G.W. Bush/Kerry
2008: McCain/Obama
2012: Romney/Obama
2016: H. Clinton/Trump
2020: Tie

Why do you have noted World War I opponent and leading Irreconcilable Bob La Follette listed as the most hawkish candidate of 1924?
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« Reply #8 on: June 21, 2020, 03:29:31 PM »

As for which elections the hawk/dove divide was most pronounced in, I’d say 1812, 1824, 1828, 1844, 1896, 1964, 1972, 1980, 1984, 2004, and 2008.
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« Reply #9 on: June 30, 2020, 12:55:02 PM »

A lot depends on whether hawkish means the candidates as they really were, or as they were perceived at the time of the election.

In 2016, Trump was a colonialist while Hillary was a neocon, so they were hawkish in different ways. But as far as perceptions go, Trump was non-interventionist (and even denied his past support of the Iraq war), while Hillary was perceived as having never met a war she didnt like (Iraq, Yugoslavia, Libya, Rwanda, etc.).

In 2000, W campaigned on a humble foreign policy while Gore was perceived as status quo though his congressional record was hawkish.  But foreign policy wasnt a major issue in any case.

In 1968 Humphrey was saddled with defending LBJ, so he was perceived as hawkish though he probably wasnt in reality.

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« Reply #10 on: July 01, 2020, 11:58:10 PM »

1796: Tie
1800: J. Adams/Jefferson
1804: No idea
1808: No idea
1812: Madison/D. Clinton
1816: Monroe/King
1820: N/A
1824: Jackson/Clay/J.Q. Adams
1828: Jackson/J.Q. Adams
1832: Jackson
1836: No idea
1840: W. Harrison/Van Buren
1844: Polk/Clay
1848: Cass/Taylor
1852: No idea
1856: Fremont/Buchanan
1860: Lincoln to The South, Breckinridge to The North/Douglas
1864: Lincoln/McClellan
1868: Grant/Seymour
1872: Grant/Greeley
1876: Hayes/Tilden
1880: Garfield/Hancock
1884: Blaine/Cleveland
1888: B. Harrison/Cleveland
1892: B. Harrison/Cleveland...no idea about Weaver
1896: McKinley/Bryan
1900: McKinley/Bryan
1904: T. Roosevelt/Parker
1908: Taft/Bryan
1912: T. Roosevelt/Wilson/Taft
1916: Hughes/Wilson
1920: Cox/Harding
1924: LaFollette/Coolidge/Davis
1928: Smith/Hoover
1932: F. Roosevelt/Hoover
1936: Tie
1940: Willkie/F. Roosevelt
1944: F. Roosevelt/Dewey
1948: Thurmond/Truman/Dewey/H. Wallace
1952: Eisenhower/Stevenson
1956: Eisenhower/Stevenson
1960: Kennedy/Nixon
1964: Goldwater/L. Johnson
1968: G. Wallace/Humphrey/Nixon
1972: Nixon/McGovern
1976: Ford/Carter
1980: Reagan/Anderson/Carter
1984: Reagan/Mondale
1988: G.H.W. Bush/Dukakis
1992: Not sure
1996: Not sure
2000: Gore/G.W. Bush
2004: G.W. Bush/Kerry
2008: McCain/Obama
2012: Romney/Obama
2016: H. Clinton/Trump
2020: Tie

Why do you have noted World War I opponent and leading Irreconcilable Bob La Follette listed as the most hawkish candidate of 1924?

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« Reply #11 on: July 09, 2020, 01:15:18 AM »

If you wish to avoid foreign collision, you had better abandon the ocean.

Henry Clay

Clay was the pre Seward/Garfield/Blaine/Harrison/Roosevelt hawk who supported America to have a greater role on the world stage, especially when confronting European enemies in our hemisphere. He has more in tune with today's hawks than Jackson does.
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« Reply #12 on: July 25, 2020, 08:51:18 AM »

2020: Biden (H)-Trump (D)
2016: Clinton (H)-Trump (D)
2012: Romney (H)-Obama (D)
2008: McCain (H)-Obama (D)
2004: Both supported for the iraq war but Bush was more Hawkish
2000: Tie but Al Gore was more Hawkish
1996: Tie
1992: Tie Only ross perot opposed the gulf war
1988: Bush (H)-Dukakis (D)
1984: Reagan (H)- Mondale (D)
1980: Reagan (H)-Carter (D)
1976: Ford (H)-Carter (D)
1972: Nixon (H)-McGovern(D)
1968: Good Question
1964: Goldwater (H)-LBJ (D)
1960: JFK (H)- Nixon (D)
1956: Tie
1952: Eisenhower ran against the korea war -Stevenson (H)
1948: Truman (H)-Dewey (D)
1944: Both were hawkish
1940: Both were dovish but FDR was more pro war


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« Reply #13 on: July 26, 2020, 11:43:28 AM »

Trump was definitely more hawkish on both Iran and China compared to Clinton.
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« Reply #14 on: July 26, 2020, 01:51:21 PM »

1796: Not sure
1800: Jefferson more dovish, Adams more hawkish
1804: Not sure
1808: Not sure
1812: Madison more hawkish, Clinton more dovish
1816: Not sure
1820: N/A
1824: Adams most dovish, Jackson most hawkish, Clay in between them, not sure about Crawford
1828: Jackson more hawkish, Adams more dovish
1832: Jackson more hawkish, Clay more dovish
1836: Not sure
1840: Not sure
1844: Polk more hawkish, Clay more dovish
1848: Not sure
1852: Not sure
1856: Not sure
1860: Lincoln most hawkish towards the South, Breckinridge most hawkish towards the North
1864: Lincoln more hawkish towards the South
1868: Grant more hawkish towards the South
1872: Grant more hawkish towards the South
1876: Tilden was probably thought to be more dovish towards the South
1880: Not sure
1884: Not sure
1888: Harrison more hawkish, Cleveland more dovish
1892: Harrison more hawkish, Cleveland and Weaver more dovish
1896: McKinley more hawkish, Bryan more dovish
1900: McKinley more hawkish, Bryan more dovish
1904: No difference
1908: Taft more hawkish, Bryan more dovish
1912: Roosevelt probably perceived as most hawkish, Wilson probably perceived as more dovish than Taft
1916: Hughes seemed to be more hawkish and Wilson seemed to be more dovish
1920: Not sure
1924: Not sure
1928: Smith more hawkish, Hoover more dovish
1932: Roosevelt more hawkish, Hoover more dovish
1936: No difference
1940: No difference
1944: No difference
1948: No difference
1952: Eisenhower more hawkish, Stevenson more dovish
1956: Eisenhower more hawkish, Stevenson more dovish
1960: Kennedy more hawkish, Nixon more dovish
1964: Goldwater more hawkish, Lyndon more dovish
1968: Not sure
1972: Nixon more hawkish, McGovern more dovish
1976: Ford more hawkish, Carter more dovish
1980: Reagan more hawkish, Carter more dovish
1984: Reagan more hawkish, Mondale more dovish
1988: Bush more hawkish, Dukakis more dovish
1992: Clinton more hawkish, Bush more dovish
1996: Dole more hawkish, Clinton more dovish
2000: Bush more hawkish, Gore more dovish
2004: Bush more hawkish, Kerry more dovish
2008: McCain more hawkish, Obama more dovish
2012: Romney more hawkish, Obama more dovish
2016: Trump more hawkish, Hillary more dovish
2020: Trump more hawkish, Biden more dovish

For 1996, 2000, and 2016, I prioritized Iraq, Iran, North Korea, and China policy over (for 1996 and 2000) Haiti, Bosnia, and Kosovo policy and (for 2016) Syria and Russia policy.

Agree with most of these but for 2016 and 2020 Trump is a non-interventionist.

General Soleimani disagrees pretty strongly.
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