G.O.P. Congressman Faces Primary After Officiating Same-Sex Wedding

[lfromnj]

Again trends
The VA supreme court would have taken power just like NC and PA did.

Seems unlikely that the Supreme Court would draw an egregious gerrymander.  The maps drawn in PA and FL were pretty even handed.

VA supreme court can just draw a compact Richmond district,3 NOVA and  shift va 2nd to the right. Again the va supreme court would have taken control no matter what.

[Mr.Phips]

Again trends
The VA supreme court would have taken power just like NC and PA did.

Seems unlikely that the Supreme Court would draw an egregious gerrymander.  The maps drawn in PA and FL were pretty even handed.

VA supreme court can just draw a compact Richmond district,3 NOVA and  shift va 2nd to the right. Again the va supreme court would have taken control no matter what.

How would you shift VA-02 right in a non egregious gerrymander?  A compact Virginia Beach/Norfolk district would have a healthy Dem lean.

[Roll Roons]

Stupider state party - Virginia Republicans or Florida Democrats?

[pppolitics]

Rep. Riggleman ousted in Virginia GOP convention after presiding over same-sex marriage

Freshman Rep. Denver Riggleman (R-Va.), who drew criticism from within his party for officiating at a same-sex wedding, lost his bid for renomination to challenger Bob Good, a former Liberty University fundraiser who describes himself as a “biblical conservative.”

The defeat of Riggleman, who was endorsed by President Trump, puts the central Virginia seat within reach for Democrats in the general election for the first time in more than a decade.

Good won a drive-through nomination contest outside Lynchburg with 58 percent of the vote, said Melvin Adams, chairman of the 5th District Republican committee. The results were announced early Sunday, more than six hours after voting ended.

Riggleman had not conceded as of Sunday morning, saying he was evaluating his options — which could include legal action against the party committee — amid reports of “voting irregularities and ballot stuffing.”

[...]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/virginia-politics/riggleman-good-virginia-republican-convention/2020/06/13/297bd6c0-a9a1-11ea-9063-e69bd6520940_story.html

[TrendsareUsuallyReal]

Again trends
The VA supreme court would have taken power just like NC and PA did.

Seems unlikely that the Supreme Court would draw an egregious gerrymander.  The maps drawn in PA and FL were pretty even handed.

Those were drawn by Democratic courts

[Mr.Phips]

Again trends
The VA supreme court would have taken power just like NC and PA did.

Seems unlikely that the Supreme Court would draw an egregious gerrymander.  The maps drawn in PA and FL were pretty even handed.

Those were drawn by Democratic courts

So you’re saying a Republican court would not have the restraint that a Dem one does?

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

This is Pittenger NC-09 all over again. Don't back down, sue the SOB. Their is probably criminal activity here just like NC-09, just dig up the proof.

[lfromnj]

Again trends
The VA supreme court would have taken power just like NC and PA did.

Seems unlikely that the Supreme Court would draw an egregious gerrymander.  The maps drawn in PA and FL were pretty even handed.

Those were drawn by Democratic courts

So you’re saying a Republican court would not have the restraint that a Dem one does?

Sigh, they would just make Republican tilting decisions just like PA did for the Ds in Bucks county, drawing a district based purely in Richmond is absolutely fair but screws Spanberger while finding out a way to slightly or moderately push VA 2nd to the right.

[lfromnj]

Again trends
The VA supreme court would have taken power just like NC and PA did.

Seems unlikely that the Supreme Court would draw an egregious gerrymander.  The maps drawn in PA and FL were pretty even handed.

VA supreme court can just draw a compact Richmond district,3 NOVA and  shift va 2nd to the right. Again the va supreme court would have taken control no matter what.

How would you shift VA-02 right in a non egregious gerrymander?  A compact Virginia Beach/Norfolk district would have a healthy Dem lean.

Just put Cheseapke and then take a few more republican precincts of some other county?. Why would you put Norfolk with VA 2nd? Again it would take a pretty moderate Gerrymander to get it past Trump +4-5 but other than that its basically like PA 1st where they kept bucks whole and removed exurban Montgomery for some heavily D parts of Montgomery to flip it from Trump +1 to Clinton +2.

[TrendsareUsuallyReal]

Again trends
The VA supreme court would have taken power just like NC and PA did.

Seems unlikely that the Supreme Court would draw an egregious gerrymander.  The maps drawn in PA and FL were pretty even handed.

VA supreme court can just draw a compact Richmond district,3 NOVA and  shift va 2nd to the right. Again the va supreme court would have taken control no matter what.

How would you shift VA-02 right in a non egregious gerrymander?  A compact Virginia Beach/Norfolk district would have a healthy Dem lean.

Just put Cheseapke and then take a few more republican precincts of some other county?. Why would you put Norfolk with VA 2nd? Again it would take a pretty moderate Gerrymander to get it past Trump +4-5 but other than that its basically like PA 1st where they kept bucks whole and removed exurban Montgomery for some heavily D parts of Montgomery to flip it from Trump +1 to Clinton +2.

Seriously, the thinking here that the Republican court will "do the right thing" in drawing the maps is delusional with no basis in reality to back it up considering what we've seen in the last decade. They will axe Spanberger, vote sink 3 NOVA seats (whereas a legislature-drawn map would give NOVA four Dem seats), and draw Luria into a redder Virginia Beach/Chesapeake seat taking in the deep red areas of south Chesapeake.

[lfromnj]

Again trends
The VA supreme court would have taken power just like NC and PA did.

Seems unlikely that the Supreme Court would draw an egregious gerrymander.  The maps drawn in PA and FL were pretty even handed.

VA supreme court can just draw a compact Richmond district,3 NOVA and  shift va 2nd to the right. Again the va supreme court would have taken control no matter what.

How would you shift VA-02 right in a non egregious gerrymander?  A compact Virginia Beach/Norfolk district would have a healthy Dem lean.

Just put Cheseapke and then take a few more republican precincts of some other county?. Why would you put Norfolk with VA 2nd? Again it would take a pretty moderate Gerrymander to get it past Trump +4-5 but other than that its basically like PA 1st where they kept bucks whole and removed exurban Montgomery for some heavily D parts of Montgomery to flip it from Trump +1 to Clinton +2.

Seriously, the thinking here that the Republican court will "do the right thing" in drawing the maps is delusional with no basis in reality to back it up considering what we've seen in the last decade. They will axe Spanberger, vote sink 3 NOVA seats (whereas a legislature-drawn map would give NOVA four Dem seats), and draw Luria into a redder Virginia Beach/Chesapeake seat taking in the deep red areas of south Chesapeake.

I mean 3 NOVA seats are whats fair and not really a vote sink,I guess you could draw it with 1 Safe arlington/ 1 Safe D  Fairfax, 1 Likely/ Safe D PWC and south and then  one Loudoun and South and west thats lean R, although of course the legislature might have tried for 4 D NOVA seats.

[TrendsareUsuallyReal]

Again trends
The VA supreme court would have taken power just like NC and PA did.

Seems unlikely that the Supreme Court would draw an egregious gerrymander.  The maps drawn in PA and FL were pretty even handed.

VA supreme court can just draw a compact Richmond district,3 NOVA and  shift va 2nd to the right. Again the va supreme court would have taken control no matter what.

How would you shift VA-02 right in a non egregious gerrymander?  A compact Virginia Beach/Norfolk district would have a healthy Dem lean.

Just put Cheseapke and then take a few more republican precincts of some other county?. Why would you put Norfolk with VA 2nd? Again it would take a pretty moderate Gerrymander to get it past Trump +4-5 but other than that its basically like PA 1st where they kept bucks whole and removed exurban Montgomery for some heavily D parts of Montgomery to flip it from Trump +1 to Clinton +2.

Seriously, the thinking here that the Republican court will "do the right thing" in drawing the maps is delusional with no basis in reality to back it up considering what we've seen in the last decade. They will axe Spanberger, vote sink 3 NOVA seats (whereas a legislature-drawn map would give NOVA four Dem seats), and draw Luria into a redder Virginia Beach/Chesapeake seat taking in the deep red areas of south Chesapeake.

I mean 3 NOVA seats are whats fair,I guess you could draw it with 1 Safe arlington/ 1 Safe D  Fairfax, 1 Likely/ Safe D PWC and south and then  one Loudoun and South and west thats lean R.

In a fair map yes, but it's really easy to draw four safe NOVA seats now, and my point is that Democrats idiotically threw away three congressional seats and possibly the legislature because of the need to claim the "moral" high ground

[lfromnj]

Again trends
The VA supreme court would have taken power just like NC and PA did.

Seems unlikely that the Supreme Court would draw an egregious gerrymander.  The maps drawn in PA and FL were pretty even handed.

VA supreme court can just draw a compact Richmond district,3 NOVA and  shift va 2nd to the right. Again the va supreme court would have taken control no matter what.

How would you shift VA-02 right in a non egregious gerrymander?  A compact Virginia Beach/Norfolk district would have a healthy Dem lean.

Just put Cheseapke and then take a few more republican precincts of some other county?. Why would you put Norfolk with VA 2nd? Again it would take a pretty moderate Gerrymander to get it past Trump +4-5 but other than that its basically like PA 1st where they kept bucks whole and removed exurban Montgomery for some heavily D parts of Montgomery to flip it from Trump +1 to Clinton +2.

Seriously, the thinking here that the Republican court will "do the right thing" in drawing the maps is delusional with no basis in reality to back it up considering what we've seen in the last decade. They will axe Spanberger, vote sink 3 NOVA seats (whereas a legislature-drawn map would give NOVA four Dem seats), and draw Luria into a redder Virginia Beach/Chesapeake seat taking in the deep red areas of south Chesapeake.

I mean 3 NOVA seats are whats fair,I guess you could draw it with 1 Safe arlington/ 1 Safe D  Fairfax, 1 Likely/ Safe D PWC and south and then  one Loudoun and South and west thats lean R.

In a fair map yes, but it's really easy to draw four safe NOVA seats now, and my point is that Democrats idiotically threw away three congressional seats and possibly the legislature because of the need to claim the "moral" high ground

Again what would have prevented the VA supreme court from blocking the legislature gerrymander and drawing a new map? The US supreme court has basically established that state supreme courts now have defacto control over redistricting . So therefore it didn't matter what VA ds do.

[TrendsareUsuallyReal]

Again trends
The VA supreme court would have taken power just like NC and PA did.

Seems unlikely that the Supreme Court would draw an egregious gerrymander.  The maps drawn in PA and FL were pretty even handed.

VA supreme court can just draw a compact Richmond district,3 NOVA and  shift va 2nd to the right. Again the va supreme court would have taken control no matter what.

How would you shift VA-02 right in a non egregious gerrymander?  A compact Virginia Beach/Norfolk district would have a healthy Dem lean.

Just put Cheseapke and then take a few more republican precincts of some other county?. Why would you put Norfolk with VA 2nd? Again it would take a pretty moderate Gerrymander to get it past Trump +4-5 but other than that its basically like PA 1st where they kept bucks whole and removed exurban Montgomery for some heavily D parts of Montgomery to flip it from Trump +1 to Clinton +2.

Seriously, the thinking here that the Republican court will "do the right thing" in drawing the maps is delusional with no basis in reality to back it up considering what we've seen in the last decade. They will axe Spanberger, vote sink 3 NOVA seats (whereas a legislature-drawn map would give NOVA four Dem seats), and draw Luria into a redder Virginia Beach/Chesapeake seat taking in the deep red areas of south Chesapeake.

I mean 3 NOVA seats are whats fair,I guess you could draw it with 1 Safe arlington/ 1 Safe D  Fairfax, 1 Likely/ Safe D PWC and south and then  one Loudoun and South and west thats lean R.

In a fair map yes, but it's really easy to draw four safe NOVA seats now, and my point is that Democrats idiotically threw away three congressional seats and possibly the legislature because of the need to claim the "moral" high ground

Again what would have prevented the VA supreme court from blocking the legislature gerrymander and drawing a new map? The US supreme court has basically established that state supreme courts now have defacto control over redistricting . So therefore it didn't matter what VA ds do.

At the very least, they could have had a gerrymander for 3 or 4 out of the five cycles of the decade like PA/NC did. I don't get what's so hard to understand that they shot themselves in the foot spectatcularly

[lfromnj]

Again trends
The VA supreme court would have taken power just like NC and PA did.

Seems unlikely that the Supreme Court would draw an egregious gerrymander.  The maps drawn in PA and FL were pretty even handed.

VA supreme court can just draw a compact Richmond district,3 NOVA and  shift va 2nd to the right. Again the va supreme court would have taken control no matter what.

How would you shift VA-02 right in a non egregious gerrymander?  A compact Virginia Beach/Norfolk district would have a healthy Dem lean.

Just put Cheseapke and then take a few more republican precincts of some other county?. Why would you put Norfolk with VA 2nd? Again it would take a pretty moderate Gerrymander to get it past Trump +4-5 but other than that its basically like PA 1st where they kept bucks whole and removed exurban Montgomery for some heavily D parts of Montgomery to flip it from Trump +1 to Clinton +2.

Seriously, the thinking here that the Republican court will "do the right thing" in drawing the maps is delusional with no basis in reality to back it up considering what we've seen in the last decade. They will axe Spanberger, vote sink 3 NOVA seats (whereas a legislature-drawn map would give NOVA four Dem seats), and draw Luria into a redder Virginia Beach/Chesapeake seat taking in the deep red areas of south Chesapeake.

I mean 3 NOVA seats are whats fair,I guess you could draw it with 1 Safe arlington/ 1 Safe D  Fairfax, 1 Likely/ Safe D PWC and south and then  one Loudoun and South and west thats lean R.

In a fair map yes, but it's really easy to draw four safe NOVA seats now, and my point is that Democrats idiotically threw away three congressional seats and possibly the legislature because of the need to claim the "moral" high ground

Again what would have prevented the VA supreme court from blocking the legislature gerrymander and drawing a new map? The US supreme court has basically established that state supreme courts now have defacto control over redistricting . So therefore it didn't matter what VA ds do.

At the very least, they could have had a gerrymander for 3 or 4 out of the five cycles of the decade like PA/NC did. I don't get what's so hard to understand that they shot themselves in the foot spectatcularly

both the PA and NC supreme court only flipped recently and this new precedent only came up recently with the idea of using state courts that are favorable to your party to flip seats(FL doesn't count here as I would obviously strike down the gerrymander myself if I was a judge as there is a clear law)

[Co-Chair Bagel23]

Stupider state party - Virginia Republicans or Florida Democrats?

At least FL Dems hold all the HRC seats in the congressional delegation, a row wide office, and run close in statewide elections and win one every now and then. VA GOP is worse.

[Former President tack50]

This is Pittenger NC-09 all over again. Don't back down, sue the SOB. Their is probably criminal activity here just like NC-09, just dig up the proof.

Allegedly he spent 60% of the few money he raised bribing delegates, so bribery and vote buying would already be super illegal? Lol

[Lognog]

Stupider state party - Virginia Republicans or Florida Democrats?

At least FL Dems hold all the HRC seats in the congressional delegation, a row wide office, and run close in statewide elections and win one every now and then. VA GOP is worse.

Florida Democrats are pretty bad, but I think they look so bad because they go up against what many consider to be the gold standard of state Republican Parties: the Florida GOP.

Virginia GOP stopped being able to really operate after the state became competitive. Now they are quickly paying the price by fading into obscurity

 Say what you will about Florida dems (and trust me there is a lot), but they would never nominate someone like Corey Stewart for senate.

[Nutmeg]

Guess he couldn't riggle out of this one

[Bea O'Problem]

Goode endorses Good.

[We Live in Black and White]

Boob God going to jail, fam.

[Obama-Biden Democrat]

I hope the Democrats pick it up, even if its just for two years.  To throw out a very conservative Republican over a gay wedding to get a "real" antigay congressman?  Please.  Hope it goes blue.

It will not go Dem. Even Corey Stewart won this seat in 2018. Its Safe R.

I agree for 2020. But if Bob Good runs for re-election in 2022 it won't be nearly as easy. This district will almost certainly be redrawn to be more favorable for Democrats. That should make it a toss-up in two years.

No. Virginia Democrats decided to be self-righteous morons and gave up their map-drawing process to the Republican-controlled state Supreme Court

VA still has a old law from the days of the founding fathers, that gives power of appointing SC justices to the legislature, instead of the the Governor. VA needs to repeal that old law and move their off year elections to midterm or presidential years

[Mr.Phips]

I hope the Democrats pick it up, even if its just for two years.  To throw out a very conservative Republican over a gay wedding to get a "real" antigay congressman?  Please.  Hope it goes blue.

It will not go Dem. Even Corey Stewart won this seat in 2018. Its Safe R.

I agree for 2020. But if Bob Good runs for re-election in 2022 it won't be nearly as easy. This district will almost certainly be redrawn to be more favorable for Democrats. That should make it a toss-up in two years.

No. Virginia Democrats decided to be self-righteous morons and gave up their map-drawing process to the Republican-controlled state Supreme Court

VA still has a old law from the days of the founding fathers, that gives power of appointing SC justices to the legislature, instead of the the Governor. VA needs to repeal that old law and move their off year elections to midterm or presidential years

I am wondering why Dems don’t repeal the legislatures appointment power.

[lfromnj]

I hope the Democrats pick it up, even if its just for two years.  To throw out a very conservative Republican over a gay wedding to get a "real" antigay congressman?  Please.  Hope it goes blue.

It will not go Dem. Even Corey Stewart won this seat in 2018. Its Safe R.

I agree for 2020. But if Bob Good runs for re-election in 2022 it won't be nearly as easy. This district will almost certainly be redrawn to be more favorable for Democrats. That should make it a toss-up in two years.

No. Virginia Democrats decided to be self-righteous morons and gave up their map-drawing process to the Republican-controlled state Supreme Court

VA still has a old law from the days of the founding fathers, that gives power of appointing SC justices to the legislature, instead of the the Governor. VA needs to repeal that old law and move their off year elections to midterm or presidential years

I am wondering why Dems don’t repeal the legislatures appointment power.

Why would the legislative leaders give up their power ?

[Mr.Phips]

I hope the Democrats pick it up, even if its just for two years.  To throw out a very conservative Republican over a gay wedding to get a "real" antigay congressman?  Please.  Hope it goes blue.

It will not go Dem. Even Corey Stewart won this seat in 2018. Its Safe R.

I agree for 2020. But if Bob Good runs for re-election in 2022 it won't be nearly as easy. This district will almost certainly be redrawn to be more favorable for Democrats. That should make it a toss-up in two years.

No. Virginia Democrats decided to be self-righteous morons and gave up their map-drawing process to the Republican-controlled state Supreme Court

VA still has a old law from the days of the founding fathers, that gives power of appointing SC justices to the legislature, instead of the the Governor. VA needs to repeal that old law and move their off year elections to midterm or presidential years

I am wondering why Dems don’t repeal the legislatures appointment power.

Why would the legislative leaders give up their power ?

To hedge against the possibility of Republicans winking back the legislature.