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« Reply #25 on: June 15, 2020, 12:39:09 PM »

The character and decency of the Confederate Army:

https://www.archives.gov/education/lessons/blacks-civil-war
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In perhaps the most heinous known example of abuse, Confederate soldiers shot to death black Union soldiers captured at the Fort Pillow, TN, engagement of 1864. Confederate General Nathan B. Forrest witnessed the massacre and did nothing to stop it.

https://www.post-gazette.com/news/state/2013/06/30/Confederates-slave-hunt-in-North-a-military-disgrace/stories/201306300221


https://medium.com/history-of-yesterday/how-confederates-kidnapped-and-enslaved-blacks-at-gettysburg-c5993631d4bf
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For example, Rachel Cormany, who lived in Chambersburg, Pennsylvania, recorded one tragic scene in her diary:

    [The Confederates] were hunting up the contrabands and driving them off by droves. O! How it grated on our hearts to have to sit quietly and look at such brutal deeds — I saw no men among the contrabands — all women and children. Some of the colored people who were raised here were taken along — I sat on the front step as they were driven by just like we would drive cattle…

Say it with me, these were free citizens of the state of PENNSYLVANIA, being kidnapped by Lee's Army and sent back as slaves. They didn't care, they weren't looking for papers, they looking for color and if you were black regardless of whether you had escaped yesterday or had been born free in PA, they took you. This is the kind of stuff you associate with WWII.

In fairness that seems like every war ever; massacres and what not are really par for the course in any large scale military conflict?

Then again it may just be WWII defining what the "gold standard" of wars is really supposed to be and retroactively applying it to the US Civil War
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« Reply #26 on: June 16, 2020, 12:49:18 AM »

The character and decency of the Confederate Army:

https://www.archives.gov/education/lessons/blacks-civil-war
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In perhaps the most heinous known example of abuse, Confederate soldiers shot to death black Union soldiers captured at the Fort Pillow, TN, engagement of 1864. Confederate General Nathan B. Forrest witnessed the massacre and did nothing to stop it.

https://www.post-gazette.com/news/state/2013/06/30/Confederates-slave-hunt-in-North-a-military-disgrace/stories/201306300221


https://medium.com/history-of-yesterday/how-confederates-kidnapped-and-enslaved-blacks-at-gettysburg-c5993631d4bf
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For example, Rachel Cormany, who lived in Chambersburg, Pennsylvania, recorded one tragic scene in her diary:

    [The Confederates] were hunting up the contrabands and driving them off by droves. O! How it grated on our hearts to have to sit quietly and look at such brutal deeds — I saw no men among the contrabands — all women and children. Some of the colored people who were raised here were taken along — I sat on the front step as they were driven by just like we would drive cattle…

Say it with me, these were free citizens of the state of PENNSYLVANIA, being kidnapped by Lee's Army and sent back as slaves. They didn't care, they weren't looking for papers, they looking for color and if you were black regardless of whether you had escaped yesterday or had been born free in PA, they took you. This is the kind of stuff you associate with WWII.

In fairness that seems like every war ever; massacres and what not are really par for the course in any large scale military conflict?

Then again it may just be WWII defining what the "gold standard" of wars is really supposed to be and retroactively applying it to the US Civil War


Are you really saying that the AoNV, kidnapping free blacks (including children) to be sent back as slaves to Virginia, is just like any other excess in any other conflict?
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« Reply #27 on: June 16, 2020, 04:50:50 AM »

The character and decency of the Confederate Army:

https://www.archives.gov/education/lessons/blacks-civil-war
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In perhaps the most heinous known example of abuse, Confederate soldiers shot to death black Union soldiers captured at the Fort Pillow, TN, engagement of 1864. Confederate General Nathan B. Forrest witnessed the massacre and did nothing to stop it.

https://www.post-gazette.com/news/state/2013/06/30/Confederates-slave-hunt-in-North-a-military-disgrace/stories/201306300221


https://medium.com/history-of-yesterday/how-confederates-kidnapped-and-enslaved-blacks-at-gettysburg-c5993631d4bf
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For example, Rachel Cormany, who lived in Chambersburg, Pennsylvania, recorded one tragic scene in her diary:

    [The Confederates] were hunting up the contrabands and driving them off by droves. O! How it grated on our hearts to have to sit quietly and look at such brutal deeds — I saw no men among the contrabands — all women and children. Some of the colored people who were raised here were taken along — I sat on the front step as they were driven by just like we would drive cattle…

Say it with me, these were free citizens of the state of PENNSYLVANIA, being kidnapped by Lee's Army and sent back as slaves. They didn't care, they weren't looking for papers, they looking for color and if you were black regardless of whether you had escaped yesterday or had been born free in PA, they took you. This is the kind of stuff you associate with WWII.

In fairness that seems like every war ever; massacres and what not are really par for the course in any large scale military conflict?

Then again it may just be WWII defining what the "gold standard" of wars is really supposed to be and retroactively applying it to the US Civil War


Are you really saying that the AoNV, kidnapping free blacks (including children) to be sent back as slaves to Virginia, is just like any other excess in any other conflict?

No, those are particularly bad massacres and actions, especially kidnapping free blacks (though slave labour was also used by the nazis in WW2 and probably in other conflicts). My point was that most wars see massacres and executions?

I was centered more on the first of the 2 events you showed tbh; which seemed like just your usual wartime massacre. It is horrible and a warcrime by modern standards (in 2020, the Confederate general in charge would have been sent to the Hague) but far from unheard of (trying to think of a much more modern example, another one could be the Srebenica massacre in the 90s for instance)
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« Reply #28 on: June 16, 2020, 05:53:24 AM »

In fairness that seems like every war ever; massacres and what not are really par for the course in any large scale military conflict?

Then again it may just be WWII defining what the "gold standard" of wars is really supposed to be and retroactively applying it to the US Civil War

Massacres of soldiers captured as prisoners did not happen in the Civil War except for the massacre of African-Americans at Fort Pillow. It really was an extraordinary event.

That said, some Union prisoners captured by the South also experienced hellish conditions at the Andersonville POW camp in Georgia.
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« Reply #29 on: June 20, 2020, 10:58:08 PM »



I regret to inform you that the town cuck is at it again.
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« Reply #30 on: June 21, 2020, 03:21:40 AM »

It's such a shame Jones is a toast come November. I'd love to see him getting a full term, not just because of the "D" letter Sad

I hope Biden makes him AG.
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« Reply #31 on: June 21, 2020, 03:22:51 AM »

It's such a shame Jones is a toast come November. I'd love to see him getting a full term, not just because of the "D" letter Sad

Yeah he represents a community (southern blacks and southern dems more broadly) that usually has pretty much no voice in the Senate, which is really important when it comes to ensuring policies get designed in ways that actually help them. I like how on his website he actually gives examples of the things he's managed to do for Alabama despite never being in the majority. It's kind of refreshing to see. He also provides constituent services to people who normally wouldn't have anyone to turn to and jobs in his offices for AL dems that normally wouldn't have the chance to serve in those types of jobs. I guess the Senate Dem caucus could make up for it a little if they manage to pick off one of the Georgia seats, but it would still be a big loss. I'll always remember eating pulled jackfruit and collared greens while following the returns in his special election!

I’ll always remember blasting “Sweet Home Alabama” unironically for the first and probably only time in my life.
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« Reply #32 on: June 21, 2020, 04:22:33 AM »

It's such a shame Jones is a toast come November. I'd love to see him getting a full term, not just because of the "D" letter Sad

I hope Biden makes him AG.

Yes, I think that's pretty likely that he'll be Attorney General. I believe he will get on of the best floor votes in the senate for confirmation, as he's getting along with most of his colleagues. Too bad we can't trade him for Colorado. Jones is much better than Hick and Romanoff.
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