opinion of CHAZ (the Seattle "occupied" zone)

[zoz]

The fact that it hasn't been broken up by now is ridiculous.

[John Dule]

The Roman Empire should auth-left. The whole state was built on a massive welfare system, comprehensive public utilities, and an organized process for the immigration and assimilation of foreigners.

Also, it's a stretch to call Venezuela, the Soviet Union, Imperial Japan, and Nazi Germany "successful". It's also a stretch to classify the European Union as Auth-Right: if anything they're the very definition of Grill-Pilled Centrist.

Yeah, almost everything in this chart is wrong. But most of it is wrong in obvious and boring ways, whereas the Roman Empire's placement is wrong in an interesting way.

Missed these posts. The Roman Empire was extremely hierarchical and land ownership was concentrated among the elites. Public utilities are not an inherently "leftist" policy; Adam Smith supported public ownership of roads and infrastructure. Also, in the long term, none of those nations will be "successful," so the fact that some of them no longer exist or were destroyed by external factors is a moot point. I mean, there are obviously no actually successful leftist states, but I had to include crap like Venezuela in order for the joke to work.

[Antonio the Sixth]

The Roman Empire should auth-left. The whole state was built on a massive welfare system, comprehensive public utilities, and an organized process for the immigration and assimilation of foreigners.

Also, it's a stretch to call Venezuela, the Soviet Union, Imperial Japan, and Nazi Germany "successful". It's also a stretch to classify the European Union as Auth-Right: if anything they're the very definition of Grill-Pilled Centrist.

Yeah, almost everything in this chart is wrong. But most of it is wrong in obvious and boring ways, whereas the Roman Empire's placement is wrong in an interesting way.

Missed these posts. The Roman Empire was extremely hierarchical and land ownership was concentrated among the elites. Public utilities are not an inherently "leftist" policy; Adam Smith supported public ownership of roads and infrastructure. Also, in the long term, none of those nations will be "successful," so the fact that some of them no longer exist or were destroyed by external factors is a moot point. I mean, there are obviously no actually successful leftist states, but I had to include crap like Venezuela in order for the joke to work.

Well of course, the history of the world since the agricultural revolution has been one of hierarchies and wealth concentration (and also, by and large, genocide and militarism) so if you want to go by that logic all "successful" polities have been auth-right. What made the Roman Empire stand out, though, and part of what made it successful, were policies that would be called "left-wing" by modern definitions.

[Mr. Reactionary]

The first page of this thread has not aged well.

Aw comeon, its just a block party ... with mass extortion, vandalism, frequent shootings, and no emergency services. Who hasn't been to a block party like that? Its the summer of love, but with bullets and dead kids and homeless poop.

[dead0man]

the homeless didn't stick around to poop too much, most of them took all the food and left day 1 or 2

[💥💥 brandon bro (he/him/his)]

The Roman Empire should auth-left. The whole state was built on a massive welfare system, comprehensive public utilities, and an organized process for the immigration and assimilation of foreigners.

Also, it's a stretch to call Venezuela, the Soviet Union, Imperial Japan, and Nazi Germany "successful". It's also a stretch to classify the European Union as Auth-Right: if anything they're the very definition of Grill-Pilled Centrist.

Yeah, almost everything in this chart is wrong. But most of it is wrong in obvious and boring ways, whereas the Roman Empire's placement is wrong in an interesting way.

Missed these posts. The Roman Empire was extremely hierarchical and land ownership was concentrated among the elites. Public utilities are not an inherently "leftist" policy; Adam Smith supported public ownership of roads and infrastructure. Also, in the long term, none of those nations will be "successful," so the fact that some of them no longer exist or were destroyed by external factors is a moot point. I mean, there are obviously no actually successful leftist states, but I had to include crap like Venezuela in order for the joke to work.

Well of course, the history of the world since the agricultural revolution has been one of hierarchies and wealth concentration (and also, by and large, genocide and militarism) so if you want to go by that logic all "successful" polities have been auth-right. What made the Roman Empire stand out, though, and part of what made it successful, were policies that would be called "left-wing" by modern definitions.

Did any other ancient or medieval civilizations transfer wealth (= land) to soldiers on the same scale as the Roman republic/empire? A large non-landed peasant class was pretty ubiquitous but I'm pretty sure the Romans distributed more land through military service than anyone up until the modern era started.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Did any other ancient or medieval civilizations transfer wealth (= land) to soldiers on the same scale as the Roman republic/empire? A large non-landed peasant class was pretty ubiquitous but I'm pretty sure the Romans distributed more land through military service than anyone up until the modern era started.

What do you think feudalism was, exactly?

[The world will shine with light in our nightmare]

They should have taken lessons from established sustainable settlements in rural Virginia, those Yiddish-speaking farms in upstate New York, SSPX, hell, maybe even the Amish.  Projects like these are noble, but they aren't going to work in large metros where nobody knows each other.

[John Dule]

They should have taken lessons from established sustainable settlements in rural Virginia, those Yiddish-speaking farms in upstate New York, SSPX, hell, maybe even the Amish.  Projects like these are noble, but they aren't going to work in large metros where nobody knows each other.

Thanks for the inspiration. I promise this is my last Chad meme.

[FEMA Camp Administrator]

They should have taken lessons from established sustainable settlements in rural Virginia, those Yiddish-speaking farms in upstate New York, SSPX, hell, maybe even the Amish.  Projects like these are noble, but they aren't going to work in large metros where nobody knows each other.

Thanks for the inspiration. I promise this is my last Chad meme.

I would have followed you, my brother, my captain, my King.

(also pls no, i love virgin v chad)

[Stranger in a strange land]

Approve 100%. The people must take back their homes away from a system only in place to oppress them, and CHAZ, while it will not grow , is an important first step in taking the streets to the people and away from the police. The mutual aide networks and strategies now learned since this and Occupy in 2011 will be instrumental in the future.

I think CHAZ will get abandoned after things die down, but the spirit of it will live on even as the structure gets demolished.

do you still 100% approve?  Do you now think the people should take back their homes?  Except now it's from the "protesters".  Are these still the people you want "taking the streets from the police"?  Guess they really didn't learn sh**t from Occupy, since they made the same stupid mistakes.  I don't know if the spirit will live on, and I doubt the hard left will learn anything (do they ever?), but the rest of us certainly learned or relearned things from it. 

Thank you Seattle mayor for giving the children enough rope to hang themselves.

Yeah I was worried that this would turn into the Left's Charlottesville, and while it's maybe not quite that bad... it's still pretty bad.

[Mr. Reactionary]

Approve 100%. The people must take back their homes away from a system only in place to oppress them, and CHAZ, while it will not grow , is an important first step in taking the streets to the people and away from the police. The mutual aide networks and strategies now learned since this and Occupy in 2011 will be instrumental in the future.

I think CHAZ will get abandoned after things die down, but the spirit of it will live on even as the structure gets demolished.

do you still 100% approve?  Do you now think the people should take back their homes?  Except now it's from the "protesters".  Are these still the people you want "taking the streets from the police"?  Guess they really didn't learn sh**t from Occupy, since they made the same stupid mistakes.  I don't know if the spirit will live on, and I doubt the hard left will learn anything (do they ever?), but the rest of us certainly learned or relearned things from it. 

Thank you Seattle mayor for giving the children enough rope to hang themselves.

Yeah I was worried that this would turn into the Left's Charlottesville, and while it's maybe not quite that bad... it's still pretty bad.

5 x the body count as CVille, hella gunfire, nearly a month, invasion of a police station, all climaxing in a mob terroristically threatening the mayor's private house.Seems much much worse imo.

[It’s so Joever]

Approve 100%. The people must take back their homes away from a system only in place to oppress them, and CHAZ, while it will not grow , is an important first step in taking the streets to the people and away from the police. The mutual aide networks and strategies now learned since this and Occupy in 2011 will be instrumental in the future.

I think CHAZ will get abandoned after things die down, but the spirit of it will live on even as the structure gets demolished.

do you still 100% approve?  Do you now think the people should take back their homes?  Except now it's from the "protesters".  Are these still the people you want "taking the streets from the police"?  Guess they really didn't learn sh**t from Occupy, since they made the same stupid mistakes.  I don't know if the spirit will live on, and I doubt the hard left will learn anything (do they ever?), but the rest of us certainly learned or relearned things from it. 

Thank you Seattle mayor for giving the children enough rope to hang themselves.

Yeah I was worried that this would turn into the Left's Charlottesville, and while it's maybe not quite that bad... it's still pretty bad.

5 x the body count as CVille, hella gunfire, nearly a month, invasion of a police station, all climaxing in a mob terroristically threatening the mayor's private house.Seems much much worse imo.

...This is probably the worst time for you to start using body counts considering your thoughts on Covid-19.

[HisGrace]

They should have taken lessons from established sustainable settlements in rural Virginia, those Yiddish-speaking farms in upstate New York, SSPX, hell, maybe even the Amish.  Projects like these are noble, but they aren't going to work in large metros where nobody knows each other.

The difference is that those groups just want to be left alone and do their own thing, while these guys wanted to destroy and hurt other people. If you want to start some left wing anarchic commune go out to a rural area and start one. But you can't just annex public streets where people already live.

Approve 100%. The people must take back their homes away from a system only in place to oppress them, and CHAZ, while it will not grow , is an important first step in taking the streets to the people and away from the police. The mutual aide networks and strategies now learned since this and Occupy in 2011 will be instrumental in the future.

I think CHAZ will get abandoned after things die down, but the spirit of it will live on even as the structure gets demolished.

do you still 100% approve?  Do you now think the people should take back their homes?  Except now it's from the "protesters".  Are these still the people you want "taking the streets from the police"?  Guess they really didn't learn sh**t from Occupy, since they made the same stupid mistakes.  I don't know if the spirit will live on, and I doubt the hard left will learn anything (do they ever?), but the rest of us certainly learned or relearned things from it. 

Thank you Seattle mayor for giving the children enough rope to hang themselves.

Yeah I was worried that this would turn into the Left's Charlottesville, and while it's maybe not quite that bad... it's still pretty bad.

5 x the body count as CVille, hella gunfire, nearly a month, invasion of a police station, all climaxing in a mob terroristically threatening the mayor's private house.Seems much much worse imo.

This is worst than C'Ville by any metric and has received at least the same amount of mainstream support from the left that it did from the right.

[S019]

Fortunately, it's gone, but seriously the CHAZ was just a little party by a bunch of random bored folks, it's not really comparable to Charlottesville. Also the Democratic Party has not endorsed it in the same way that the Republicans endorsed Charlottesville. In fact, I'm sure most Democrats will join me in saying that we don't believe that the people in the CHAZ were "very fine people," they were crazed and in some cases, bored anarchists. They are not representative of the Democratic Party, at all, at least 80% of them are probably Hawkins voters. The Democratic Party has clearly made clear that it is not a party for these crazed anarchists. However, the Republicans have yet to condemn the support that white nationalists give to their party. In fact, people like Steve Bannon and Stephen Miller have held key advisor roles in the Trump administration. The Republicans cannot claim that this is the "Left's Charlottesville," because it is clearly not. In fact the only politicians who have even defended this are radical socialists like Kshama Sawant (who is so bad, that the Seattle Mayor currently wants her investigated), who aren't even part of the Democratic Party. No matter how much the right wants it to happen the Democrats are not a socialist or anarchist party, they remain a center left party welcoming those who support ideologies like liberalism, not those who preach dangerous ideologies, such as anarchism.


Also this is our daily reminder, that the government must seize and confiscate all guns from the citizenry. Only then, will we be truly safe.

[John Dule]

Also this is our daily reminder, that the government must seize and confiscate all guns from the citizenry. Only then, will we be truly safe.

Bad thing to include in a comment about how "most Democrats are perfectly sane and normal."

[Mr. Reactionary]

Also this is our daily reminder, that the government must seize and confiscate all guns from the citizenry. Only then, will we be truly safe.

Bad thing to include in a comment about how "most Democrats are perfectly sane and normal."

As if his thinking "a little party" typically involves 5 shootings (including the murder of two unarmed black teenagers by Antifa terrorists) was sane and normal.

[Gass3268]

Really wish apathetic was a option.

[S019]

Also this is our daily reminder, that the government must seize and confiscate all guns from the citizenry. Only then, will we be truly safe.

Bad thing to include in a comment about how "most Democrats are perfectly sane and normal."

As if his thinking "a little party" typically involves 5 shootings (including the murder of two unarmed black teenagers by Antifa terrorists) was sane and normal.

If you read the rest of my post, it literally went on to lambast the anarchists who ran the CHAZ thing, but sure keep thinking that...

[AtorBoltox]

They should have taken lessons from established sustainable settlements in rural Virginia, those Yiddish-speaking farms in upstate New York, SSPX, hell, maybe even the Amish.  Projects like these are noble, but they aren't going to work in large metros where nobody knows each other.

Thanks for the inspiration. I promise this is my last Chad meme.

'Godless atheists...homosexual degeneracy'
I'm totally not a reactionary guiz I'm a liberal!!!

[John Dule]

'Godless atheists...homosexual degeneracy'
I'm totally not a reactionary guiz I'm a liberal!!!

Lol.

[AtorBoltox]

'Godless atheists...homosexual degeneracy'
I'm totally not a reactionary guiz I'm a liberal!!!

Lol.

edgy boi

[John Dule]

'Godless atheists...homosexual degeneracy'
I'm totally not a reactionary guiz I'm a liberal!!!

Lol.

edgy boi

I would recommend that you read literally any post of mine in the Religion/Philosophy board before taking this any further.

[S019]

'Godless atheists...homosexual degeneracy'
I'm totally not a reactionary guiz I'm a liberal!!!

Lol.

edgy boi

I would recommend that you read literally any post of mine in the Religion/Philosophy board before taking this any further.

Saying that homosexuals are degenerates is an absolutely abhorrent viewpoint, and you should renounce it. Also I'm pretty sure you've said that you're an atheist yourself, so your decision to attack other atheists is a bit mind-boggling, to say the least.

[John Dule]

'Godless atheists...homosexual degeneracy'
I'm totally not a reactionary guiz I'm a liberal!!!

Lol.

edgy boi

I would recommend that you read literally any post of mine in the Religion/Philosophy board before taking this any further.

Saying that homosexuals are degenerates is an absolutely abhorrent viewpoint, and you should renounce it. Also I'm pretty sure you've said that you're an atheist yourself, so your decision to attack other atheists is a bit mind-boggling, to say the least.

You are a masterful troll.