What would it take for Democrats to start losing Black or Jewish support?

[Cyrusman]

It seems like no matter who they run, what they say, or what type of camping they run, those two group will ALWYS be loyal to democrats. 
Is that true?

[TML]

It would require the Republican party to disassociate itself from "angry white men."

[Saint Milei]

To lose Jewish support, probably something crazy like elect people who embrace BDS, call for Israel's destruction, openly hate the Jewish people, or call the entire region Palestine.

As for losing black support, they'd probably have to do something like support policies that keep black people poor, promise change but don't deliver, fight against charter schools, or treat black people as a group like children who need to have their hands held to succeed.

they are doing all of this right now

[Roll Roons]

To lose Jewish support, probably something crazy like elect people who embrace BDS, call for Israel's destruction, openly hate the Jewish people, or call the entire region Palestine.

As for losing black support, they'd probably have to do something like support policies that keep black people poor, promise change but don't deliver, fight against charter schools, or treat black people as a group like children who need to have their hands held to succeed.

To think they could have nominated a standard-bearer who courts these kinds of people as his top surrogates despite being Jewish himself.

[libertpaulian]

Dems change their ways in such a manner that it attracts white Southerners back.

[voice_of_resistance]

Dems change their ways in such a manner that it attracts white Southerners back.

Just start running AOC/Omar candidates as Republicans in deep-blue cities. The minute that the whites in the GOP feel associated with these minority progressive leftists, they will come bolting back to the Democrats. It's quite simple. There is a sizeable population in this country that defines its politics, implicitly or explicitly, around a common white interest in opposition to the interest of minorities. The white man's party is one and the black man's party is another. Flip the polarity and things will re-sort themselves out.

[Cyrusman]

To lose Jewish support, probably something crazy like elect people who embrace BDS, call for Israel's destruction, openly hate the Jewish people, or call the entire region Palestine.

As for losing black support, they'd probably have to do something like support policies that keep black people poor, promise change but don't deliver, fight against charter schools, or treat black people as a group like children who need to have their hands held to succeed.

Why are Jews so loyal to the Democrat party?

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

To lose Jewish support, probably something crazy like elect people who embrace BDS, call for Israel's destruction, openly hate the Jewish people, or call the entire region Palestine.

As for losing black support, they'd probably have to do something like support policies that keep black people poor, promise change but don't deliver, fight against charter schools, or treat black people as a group like children who need to have their hands held to succeed.

Why are Jews so loyal to the Democrat party?

Evangelical Christians and politically liberal Jews have political priorities that are opposite to each other.
And the great majority of American Jews are politically liberal.

[Storr]

To lose Jewish support, probably something crazy like elect people who embrace BDS, call for Israel's destruction, openly hate the Jewish people, or call the entire region Palestine.

As for losing black support, they'd probably have to do something like support policies that keep black people poor, promise change but don't deliver, fight against charter schools, or treat black people as a group like children who need to have their hands held to succeed.

Why are Jews so loyal to the Democrat party?

Evangelical Christians and politically liberal Jews have political priorities that are opposite to each other.
And the great majority of American Jews are politically liberal.

And Jewish Americans are similar to Catholics in that they are more educated and urban than the country as a whole. Both characteristics which lend themselves to people voting for Democrats. 

[Cyrusman]

To lose Jewish support, probably something crazy like elect people who embrace BDS, call for Israel's destruction, openly hate the Jewish people, or call the entire region Palestine.

As for losing black support, they'd probably have to do something like support policies that keep black people poor, promise change but don't deliver, fight against charter schools, or treat black people as a group like children who need to have their hands held to succeed.

Why are Jews so loyal to the Democrat party?

Evangelical Christians and politically liberal Jews have political priorities that are opposite to each other.
And the great majority of American Jews are politically liberal.

What would you say are each groups main priorities?

[Grassroots]

Jews: Never

Blacks: Republicans put M4AC and Inner City Revitalization on the platform in 24.

[Former President tack50]

Losing Jewish support is not too hard to imagine, just people who are radically in support of the Palestinians bordering on antisemitism does the trick.

Basically imagine the Democrats being overwhelmed by an army of Jeremy Corbyns, Ilhan Omars and what not.

For losing black support, uh, no idea. Maybe start advocating for a return of segregation or something, but iirc in the 50s didn't blacks vote for pro-segregation politicians as long as they were Dems? lol (not to the 90-10 standards we see today, but I literally cannot imagine any scenario where Republicans win black voters)

[Chunk Yogurt for President!]

Dems change their ways in such a manner that it attracts white Southerners back.

Just start running AOC/Omar candidates as Republicans in deep-blue cities. The minute that the whites in the GOP feel associated with these minority progressive leftists, they will come bolting back to the Democrats. It's quite simple. There is a sizeable population in this country that defines its politics, implicitly or explicitly, around a common white interest in opposition to the interest of minorities. The white man's party is one and the black man's party is another. Flip the polarity and things will re-sort themselves out.

The key words are progressive and leftist, not minority.  Most white Republicans would love to have more minorities on their side.

[RINO Tom]

Jews: Never

Blacks: Republicans put M4AC and Inner City Revitalization on the platform in 24.

Why do you think Republicans could "never" win Jewish voters but could make inroads with Black voters?  I mean, both are unlikely, IMO, but Jewish voters are SIGNIFICANTLY more Republican.  Perhaps you think the current support the GOP gets with Black voters is so low that there is nowhere to go but up?  I still don't think "never" is a realistic answer for Republicans winning more Jewish voters, especially if you're seriously contemplating a party that is currently as conservative as the GOP (yes, including Trump, Hawley or anyone else) proposing those two planks in the 2024 platform.

As for the question, it is important for us all to avoid a form of paternal racism and appreciate that ALL voting groups (not just White voters) have immense ideological diversity within their ranks; they don't have monolithic views just because they're Black, Jewish or anything else.  If a demographic group (i.e., not "small business owners" or "college professors") is voting overwhelmingly for one party, that likely means they see the other party as an attack on their identity, or at least a threat to what they value.  So, the GOP would have to address one of these problems while the Democrats simultaneously took the voters for granted. 

For Black voters, given their history in this country and well-documented "communal" attitudes toward voting strategy, this would likely mean moving left on both economic and some social issues (i.e., not less religious but CERTAINLY less focused on the cultural attitudes of White Southerners and White rural voters).  For Jewish voters, this could come in the form of regaining strength among college graduates, but a lot of Jewish voters live in major cities and have been Democratic for decades and decades, regardless of education or income or anything like that.  So, I think it would take a combination of Israel going in a more liberal direction (i.e., allowing moderate and liberal Jews to re-examine the GOP as the more "pro-Israel" and not "pro-Netanyahu" party) and the Democrats continuing to give a more visible platform to its - err - more controversial voices on the Israel-Palestine issue.

[Rover]

It's ignorant to assume that Israel what motivates Jewish voters. Israel is an important issue to many Jewish voters. But Democrats can still be hostile towards Israel and expect to win the Jewish vote overwhelmingly.
For one most American Jews, are non-observant jews and probably less than a third keep kosher.
Secondly, the issues that motivate Jewish voters are education, healthcare, and gun control and on those issues, they're at odds with the republican party. For senior Jews, social security and Medicaid are extremely important. Also, culture wars are a huge turnoff.

Jewish voters aren't as many assume, on some issues they can be pretty rightwing, i.e. Law and order. Rudy Giuliani followed by Michael Bloomberg won the Jewish vote in NYC by advocating tough policing.
On the other hand, Jews have mostly been on the side of African Americans and minorities when it comes to civil rights.

If the republican party starts advocating proper funding for education, sensible gun controls, and work on an affordable healthcare plan. You'll find Jewish voters considering voting republican. Until then, they'll continue voting democrat.

Your average Jewish voter is secular, college-educated, celebrates Jewish holidays, and probably married to a gentile.

[Libertas Vel Mors]

Dems change their ways in such a manner that it attracts white Southerners back.

Just start running AOC/Omar candidates as Republicans in deep-blue cities. The minute that the whites in the GOP feel associated with these minority progressive leftists, they will come bolting back to the Democrats. It's quite simple. There is a sizeable population in this country that defines its politics, implicitly or explicitly, around a common white interest in opposition to the interest of minorities. The white man's party is one and the black man's party is another. Flip the polarity and things will re-sort themselves out.

sigh

[Libertas Vel Mors]

Jews: Never

Blacks: Republicans put M4AC and Inner City Revitalization on the platform in 24.

Why do you think Republicans could "never" win Jewish voters but could make inroads with Black voters?  I mean, both are unlikely, IMO, but Jewish voters are SIGNIFICANTLY more Republican.  Perhaps you think the current support the GOP gets with Black voters is so low that there is nowhere to go but up?  I still don't think "never" is a realistic answer for Republicans winning more Jewish voters, especially if you're seriously contemplating a party that is currently as conservative as the GOP (yes, including Trump, Hawley or anyone else) proposing those two planks in the 2024 platform.

As for the question, it is important for us all to avoid a form of paternal racism and appreciate that ALL voting groups (not just White voters) have immense ideological diversity within their ranks; they don't have monolithic views just because they're Black, Jewish or anything else.  If a demographic group (i.e., not "small business owners" or "college professors") is voting overwhelmingly for one party, that likely means they see the other party as an attack on their identity, or at least a threat to what they value.  So, the GOP would have to address one of these problems while the Democrats simultaneously took the voters for granted. 

For Black voters, given their history in this country and well-documented "communal" attitudes toward voting strategy, this would likely mean moving left on both economic and some social issues (i.e., not less religious but CERTAINLY less focused on the cultural attitudes of White Southerners and White rural voters).  For Jewish voters, this could come in the form of regaining strength among college graduates, but a lot of Jewish voters live in major cities and have been Democratic for decades and decades, regardless of education or income or anything like that.  So, I think it would take a combination of Israel going in a more liberal direction (i.e., allowing moderate and liberal Jews to re-examine the GOP as the more "pro-Israel" and not "pro-Netanyahu" party) and the Democrats continuing to give a more visible platform to its - err - more controversial voices on the Israel-Palestine issue.

He's an anti-semite who likes Nick Fuentes.

[RINO Tom]

It's ignorant to assume that Israel what motivates Jewish voters. Israel is an important issue to many Jewish voters. But Democrats can still be hostile towards Israel and expect to win the Jewish vote overwhelmingly.
For one most American Jews, are non-observant jews and probably less than a third keep kosher.
Secondly, the issues that motivate Jewish voters are education, healthcare, and gun control and on those issues, they're at odds with the republican party. For senior Jews, social security and Medicaid are extremely important. Also, culture wars are a huge turnoff.

Jewish voters aren't as many assume, on some issues they can be pretty rightwing, i.e. Law and order. Rudy Giuliani followed by Michael Bloomberg won the Jewish vote in NYC by advocating tough policing.
On the other hand, Jews have mostly been on the side of African Americans and minorities when it comes to civil rights.

If the republican party starts advocating proper funding for education, sensible gun controls, and work on an affordable healthcare plan. You'll find Jewish voters considering voting republican. Until then, they'll continue voting democrat.

Your average Jewish voter is secular, college-educated, celebrates Jewish holidays, and probably married to a gentile.

Assuming you are responding to me with the bolded comment ... I didn't say that.  I said that a more moderate face to Israel might allow the GOP to peel a few Jewish voters who aren't exactly enthusiastic Democrats right now away ... and I stand by that.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

Confederate symbols and the swastikas are being eliminated,  the Southern Strategy is finally broken. That's why Biden is winning by 10 pts

Dixiecrats became Rs during the Reagan Revolution, Dems are the secular party now

[Rover]

It's ignorant to assume that Israel what motivates Jewish voters. Israel is an important issue to many Jewish voters. But Democrats can still be hostile towards Israel and expect to win the Jewish vote overwhelmingly.
For one most American Jews, are non-observant jews and probably less than a third keep kosher.
Secondly, the issues that motivate Jewish voters are education, healthcare, and gun control and on those issues, they're at odds with the republican party. For senior Jews, social security and Medicaid are extremely important. Also, culture wars are a huge turnoff.

Jewish voters aren't as many assume, on some issues they can be pretty rightwing, i.e. Law and order. Rudy Giuliani followed by Michael Bloomberg won the Jewish vote in NYC by advocating tough policing.
On the other hand, Jews have mostly been on the side of African Americans and minorities when it comes to civil rights.

If the republican party starts advocating proper funding for education, sensible gun controls, and work on an affordable healthcare plan. You'll find Jewish voters considering voting republican. Until then, they'll continue voting democrat.

Your average Jewish voter is secular, college-educated, celebrates Jewish holidays, and probably married to a gentile.

Assuming you are responding to me with the bolded comment ... I didn't say that.  I said that a more moderate face to Israel might allow the GOP to peel a few Jewish voters who aren't exactly enthusiastic Democrats right now away ... and I stand by that.

I was making a general point. Americans Jews are less attached to Israel than Canadian, British, or French Jews. This been backed up by a lot of polling and research conducted over the years. For one the demographics of American Jews are different. We're mostly non-observant or reform. In France, most jews tend to be orthodox. In the US still, most orthodox Jews vote GOP but they're outnumbered by reform, Conservative and non-observant Jews.




However, one has to be cautious when it comes to generalizing. Soviet Union Jews tend to vote overwhelmingly republican despite being secular. From what I've read in Bucks County, Pennsylvania the Jewish community is reliably republican.  

Connection With and Attitudes Toward Israel
https://www.pewforum.org/2013/10/01/chapter-5-connection-with-and-attitudes-towards-israel/?utm_source=link_newsv9&utm_campaign=item_265898&utm_medium=copy

A closer look at Jewish identity in Israel and the U.S.
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/03/16/a-closer-look-at-jewish-identity-in-israel-and-the-u-s/

Does it mean that Americans Jews do not care about Israel? No. But on average Jews in the US are less likely to be swayed towards the republicans if the democrats decide to be more hostile.

In 2012, President Obama was branded Anti-Israel and the GOP were running heavy ads in Jewish counties, particularly in Florida. Debbie Wasserman Schultz, was clearly nervous when she was trying to refute those claims. It was a systematic campaign against Obama but in the end, he won 69% of the Jewish vote and Romney managed to get 30% of the Jewish vote.



Over the past 50 years, the highest margin the GOP managed to reach among Jews was 39% in 1980. Back then Jimmy Carter was deeply disliked among Jews, the economy was in a bad shape, but in 1984 the Jewish vote swung back to the democrats.

If the GOP is serious about peeling off or improving their margins among American Jews, they need to address other issues that Reform, conservative (Masorti) and non-observant Jews care about i.e. education, healthcare, and other issues that aren't Israel.

[Wazza [INACTIVE]]

Dems change their ways in such a manner that it attracts white Southerners back.

Southern Democrats relied greatly on coalitions of poorer rural whites and African Americans to deliver them victories in the Senate, House and in statewide elections until c. 2010, and the two Democratic presidents between Johnson and Obama also benefited immensely from this coalition. So I don’t think it’s accurate to imply that blacks and southern whites will always vote for different parties.

Also, a majority of Jewish voters have supported the Democratic Party since at least Wilson (the exception being Harding who won a plurality when a large segment of Jewish voters backed Debs instead of Cox and Carter who only won a plurality in 1980) so what I said regarding blacks also applies to them.