MI-Kiaer Research: Biden +15

[SN2903]

They should rename their polling firm, EPICer

They should rename it NUT research.

They should rename it I'm High resarch.

[Virginiá]

Hilary won the PVI, she wasnt that unpopular 65 M to 63 M, she is adored by more Dems than BIDEN is. Trump won because in good ecommerce times, voters want tax cuts. In bad economic times like this one, voters believe in taxing middle class and rich to support entitlement spending.  Obama had a 3.5 percent unemployment

Her favorables were underwater in the 2016 exit polls. 43 / 55 unfavorable. She was lucky, in a way, to face Trump because if she faced anyone else who was even moderately favorable to the electorate, she might not have even won the popular vote.

[wbrocks67]

Well it's not banned by 538 - they added it to their 'latest polls' at least

[Progressive Pessimist]

Michigan is lean D at worst, I always suspected it but it's becoming clearer and clearer.

Hilary won the PVI, she wasnt that unpopular 65 M to 63 M, she is adored by more Dems than BIDEN is. Trump won because in good ecommerce times, voters want tax cuts. In bad economic times like this one, voters believe in taxing middle class and rich to support entitlement spending.  Obama had a 3.5 percent unemployment

Her favorables were underwater in the 2016 exit polls. 43 / 55 unfavorable. She was lucky, in a way, to face Trump because if she faced anyone else who was even moderately favorable to the electorate, she might not have even won the popular vote.

She definitely still could have beaten Trump if you took one or two of his advantages away, and the timing of when they occurred. But you're right, a Kasich or Rubio probably would have trounced her. Maybe not Cruz though, I actually think she could have beaten him fairly handily. That's why I was personally rooting for Cruz to be nominated instead of Trump back in 2016.

[Lief 🗽]

New Poll: Michigan President by Other Source on 2020-06-07

Summary: D: 50%, R: 35%, U: 8%

Poll Source URL: Full Poll Details

[Beefalow and the Consumer]

MI 2016 == IN 2008

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

Rs can thank Gary Johnson for giving them the WH in 2016, they arent wimmer again in 2020

[Interlocutor is just not there yet]

Of course he should still campaign & (potentially) hold rallies in Michigan, but I really hope Michigan's locked in enough to where he can campaign more in Arizona and/or Georgia (Plus some feelers in Texas)

[ProudModerate2]

Michigan is lean D at worst, I always suspected it but it's becoming clearer and clearer.

Same here.
I knew Michigan would be the most safe-ish out of the three (MI, PA, WI).

[Bomster]

Of course he should still campaign & (potentially) hold rallies in Michigan, but I really hope Michigan's locked in enough to where he can campaign more in Arizona and/or Georgia (Plus some feelers in Texas)

This is probably the same thing Hillary thought. Can’t risk anything.

[Progressive Pessimist]

Of course he should still campaign & (potentially) hold rallies in Michigan, but I really hope Michigan's locked in enough to where he can campaign more in Arizona and/or Georgia (Plus some feelers in Texas)

This is probably the same thing Hillary thought. Can’t risk anything.

I wouldn't worry about it, the big three will still be contested even in spite of the positive polling from them. Hindsight is one of our biggest assets this time around.

[Interlocutor is just not there yet]

Of course he should still campaign & (potentially) hold rallies in Michigan, but I really hope Michigan's locked in enough to where he can campaign more in Arizona and/or Georgia (Plus some feelers in Texas)

This is probably the same thing Hillary thought. Can’t risk anything.

Hence the first half of my statement.

And ya can't risk an insurance policy & easy pickup in Arizona either (Or easier than 2016)

[Sbane]

Of course he should still campaign & (potentially) hold rallies in Michigan, but I really hope Michigan's locked in enough to where he can campaign more in Arizona and/or Georgia (Plus some feelers in Texas)

Texas has more to do with turnout and considering the Texas house can flip even with a Democratic PV loss, investment should be made here into registering people to vote here. That will have a huge impact on redistricting. Biden shouldn't necessarily invest a lot of time here though.

[Interlocutor is just not there yet]

Of course he should still campaign & (potentially) hold rallies in Michigan, but I really hope Michigan's locked in enough to where he can campaign more in Arizona and/or Georgia (Plus some feelers in Texas)

Texas has more to do with turnout and considering the Texas house can flip even with a Democratic PV loss, investment should be made here into registering people to vote here. That will have a huge impact on redistricting. Biden shouldn't necessarily invest a lot of time here though.

I very much agree. I don't care if he puts in all his effort or just a little, I just want him to do something. But to 100% scoff it off, with its basket of close House & state legislative races alone, would be as asinine as rallying in Oklahoma or running ads in DC.

[Gracile]

MI 2016 == IN 2008

Not this faulty comparison again...