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Question: Which Canadian province is more "Midwestern"?
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Ontario
 
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Saskatchewan
 
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« on: May 23, 2020, 06:51:17 PM »

Saskatchewan is Bakken oil country/Great Plains and entirely of the 100th meridian (lying mostly above "empty" eastern Montana and western North Dakota).  Ontario covers the Great Lakes running from Minnesota to upstate New York and includes the country's manufacturing heartland.

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« Reply #1 on: May 23, 2020, 06:52:14 PM »

(obviously neither really is and the concept doesn't really apply well in Canada). 
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« Reply #2 on: May 23, 2020, 08:49:43 PM »

Well responses here are going to differ because of people's differing definitions of the Midwest. Some include the Great Plains states of Kansas, Nebraska, and the Dakotas. Well others don't and center the Midwest around the Great Lakes
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« Reply #3 on: May 24, 2020, 07:58:52 PM »

Ontario is more Great Lakes Midwest Rust Belt, while Saskatchewan is more Plains Midwest.

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« Reply #4 on: May 26, 2020, 06:16:32 PM »

But no Corn Belt connecting them.
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« Reply #5 on: May 27, 2020, 07:42:09 AM »

Ontario is more Great Lakes Midwest Rust Belt, while Saskatchewan is more Plains Midwest.



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But I see the former as the core of the Midwest, thus my answer is Ontario.
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« Reply #6 on: May 27, 2020, 09:07:35 PM »

Most of Ontario's population lies north of NYS; Lake Ontario is the only Great Lake that doesn't touch a Midwestern state.  But SW Ontario feels a fair bit like Michigan while Eastern Ontario lies above a very thinly populated part of NYS.  Toronto (half of Ontarians live in the metropolitan area) seems like an outlier altogether - doesn't really seem that "Midwestern" - and obviously given its weight largely defines Ontario as a whole.
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« Reply #7 on: May 28, 2020, 06:42:30 AM »

Ontario is just too big. Western Ontario (everything both southwest and northwest of Toronto) is more midwestern than Saskatchewan, but the Ottawa metro is less midwestern. As for Toronto, it's a bit more like NYC than Chicago I guess, although don't take my word for it.
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« Reply #8 on: May 28, 2020, 01:36:56 PM »

Most of Ontario's population lies north of NYS; Lake Ontario is the only Great Lake that doesn't touch a Midwestern state.  But SW Ontario feels a fair bit like Michigan while Eastern Ontario lies above a very thinly populated part of NYS.  Toronto (half of Ontarians live in the metropolitan area) seems like an outlier altogether - doesn't really seem that "Midwestern" - and obviously given its weight largely defines Ontario as a whole.

To be fair, there aren't really any massive global cities in the Midwest other than Chicago, and Chicago is nowhere near as important in the U.S. as Toronto is. If Cleveland or Buffalo were a NYC-level important city they probably wouldn't be too different aside from the natural peculiarities of each and the obvious differences between each country.
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« Reply #9 on: May 28, 2020, 04:03:24 PM »

Most of Ontario's population lies north of NYS; Lake Ontario is the only Great Lake that doesn't touch a Midwestern state.  But SW Ontario feels a fair bit like Michigan while Eastern Ontario lies above a very thinly populated part of NYS.  Toronto (half of Ontarians live in the metropolitan area) seems like an outlier altogether - doesn't really seem that "Midwestern" - and obviously given its weight largely defines Ontario as a whole.

To be fair, there aren't really any massive global cities in the Midwest other than Chicago, and Chicago is nowhere near as important in the U.S. as Toronto is. If Cleveland or Buffalo were a NYC-level important city they probably wouldn't be too different aside from the natural peculiarities of each and the obvious differences between each country.

Exactly

Especially given Buffalo is only 90-120 minutes drive away from Toronto
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« Reply #10 on: May 28, 2020, 04:43:29 PM »

Most of Ontario's population lies north of NYS; Lake Ontario is the only Great Lake that doesn't touch a Midwestern state.  But SW Ontario feels a fair bit like Michigan while Eastern Ontario lies above a very thinly populated part of NYS.  Toronto (half of Ontarians live in the metropolitan area) seems like an outlier altogether - doesn't really seem that "Midwestern" - and obviously given its weight largely defines Ontario as a whole.

To be fair, there aren't really any massive global cities in the Midwest other than Chicago, and Chicago is nowhere near as important in the U.S. as Toronto is. If Cleveland or Buffalo were a NYC-level important city they probably wouldn't be too different aside from the natural peculiarities of each and the obvious differences between each country.

Exactly.  Having a global metropolis making up half the population obviously has an impact.
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« Reply #11 on: May 29, 2020, 10:34:33 AM »

Most of Ontario's population lies north of NYS; Lake Ontario is the only Great Lake that doesn't touch a Midwestern state.  But SW Ontario feels a fair bit like Michigan while Eastern Ontario lies above a very thinly populated part of NYS.  Toronto (half of Ontarians live in the metropolitan area) seems like an outlier altogether - doesn't really seem that "Midwestern" - and obviously given its weight largely defines Ontario as a whole.

To be fair, there aren't really any massive global cities in the Midwest other than Chicago, and Chicago is nowhere near as important in the U.S. as Toronto is. If Cleveland or Buffalo were a NYC-level important city they probably wouldn't be too different aside from the natural peculiarities of each and the obvious differences between each country.

Exactly.  Having a global metropolis making up half the population obviously has an impact.

Oh yeah definitely! I guess I just meant that being an exceptionally huge city shouldn't have a bearing on whether or not it should be considered Midwestern--in much the same way that we agreed that DC is southern even though it is very distinct for similar reasons to Toronto.

In any case trying to determine if parts of Canada are Midwestern is a bit silly as Midwesternness in the American context is determined in relation to other areas. It'd be like trying to determine if Vermont belongs in Atlantic Canada or the Maritimes; the categories don't make sense outside of the US context. Obviously there is a high degree of cultural kinship though!
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