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Question: Most conservative country in the UK?
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England
 
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Scotland
 
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Wales
 
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Northern Ireland
 
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hangfan91
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« on: May 20, 2020, 05:53:48 PM »

Which country within the UK do you think is, overall the most conservative?
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« Reply #1 on: May 20, 2020, 06:01:05 PM »
« Edited: May 20, 2020, 06:17:30 PM by Cassius »

Difficult to say; in the past it would most likely have been Northern Ireland (at least in terms of what Americans like to call social issues et al), although I’m not sure how much that holds any more. Politically at least it’s England, given that England is the only one of the four countries to return a majority of Conservatives MP’s. On the other hand, given the relative size of England in comparison to the other three treating it as one homogenous unit doesn’t really work either (there is clearly a difference between London and Lincolnshire for example).

If you were to treat this by ‘part’ rather than by country I’d hazard a guess at some of the most conservative parts of the UK being in rural Lincolnshire and Staffordshire.
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« Reply #2 on: May 20, 2020, 06:33:05 PM »

Northern Ireland. The Orange-y parts of Scotland are pretty right wing too.
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« Reply #3 on: May 21, 2020, 03:21:10 AM »

Definitely Northern Ireland. It's the least urbanised, which correlates well to social and economic conservatism, and I think it may also be less educated (or at least it doesn't get back most kids who go elsewhere for university.) Sinn Féin's positioning on social issues is left-wing, but that's not what most of their base is responding to.

Though what 'conservative' means in different parts of the UK varies wildly - eg Scotland seems more left-wing if you look at its election results, but if you look at attitudes there's either no difference to England and Wales or it actually comes out slightly more conservative.
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« Reply #4 on: May 21, 2020, 03:22:53 AM »
« Edited: May 22, 2020, 10:01:42 AM by Lechasseur »

Northern Ireland
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« Reply #5 on: May 21, 2020, 04:01:23 AM »

I think the more interesting question would be which part of England is the most conservative.
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« Reply #6 on: May 21, 2020, 07:21:05 AM »

I think the more interesting question would be which part of England is the most conservative.

That is indeed a good one.

Though I would be interested in the reasoning of those who chose Wales in the above poll Smiley
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« Reply #7 on: May 21, 2020, 08:08:21 AM »

Northern Ireland. The Orange-y parts of Scotland are pretty right wing too.

There's little difference in social values between working class Catholics and Protestants. There's little difference in voting behaviour historically except in 2017 and on constitutional issues.
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« Reply #8 on: May 21, 2020, 08:14:21 AM »

Northern Ireland. The Orange-y parts of Scotland are pretty right wing too.

There's little difference in voting behaviour historically except in 2017 and on constitutional issues.

That is mostly true in the last half century or so, yes.

Going further back, though, it was rather different.
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« Reply #9 on: May 21, 2020, 09:08:35 AM »

Sinn Féin's positioning on social issues is left-wing, but that's not what most of their base is responding to.

A lot of SF strongholds are pretty leftist though, right? People Before Profit do quite well in West Belfast.
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« Reply #10 on: May 21, 2020, 09:22:22 AM »

Sinn Féin's positioning on social issues is left-wing, but that's not what most of their base is responding to.

A lot of SF strongholds are pretty leftist though, right? People Before Profit do quite well in West Belfast.

They don't do very well in West Tyrone.
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« Reply #11 on: May 21, 2020, 11:32:48 AM »

lol why are people voting England
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« Reply #12 on: May 21, 2020, 11:45:51 AM »

Northern Ireland, obviously.
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« Reply #13 on: May 21, 2020, 01:09:22 PM »
« Edited: May 21, 2020, 01:12:53 PM by Epaminondas »

Exclude abortion and it's the South-East of England, without a doubt.

The DUP is a horrid standard bearer for Northern Ireland, and the party owe their survival only to our
strong rigidity in voting patters. Eastern Londonderry voters, for example, don't care for the fire-and-brimstone Bible prophetising, and certainly aren't proud of the shameful corruption of the DUP, but it's almost baked in the identity of older generations. Years of warfare do strange things to people's democratic instincts, few here would understand it.

Give it 10 more years of generational change, and the DUP will be kicked out of Belfast and lose Stormont. Then you'll realise that England was the true problem behind the chaos of Irish politics, as it has always been.

Besides, social issues in the North would not map well to any American conservative's scale.
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« Reply #14 on: May 21, 2020, 03:39:11 PM »
« Edited: May 21, 2020, 03:46:13 PM by TiltsAreUnderrated »

I think the more interesting question would be which part of England is the most conservative.

If we're going by county, I'd wager that's Kent.
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« Reply #15 on: May 21, 2020, 03:48:30 PM »

I think the more interesting question would be which part of England is the most conservative.

If we're going by county, I'd wager that's Kent.
Essex surely? At least in clichés, it's the county I'd tend to associate both with flag waving Brexit culture wars, and with rabid Thatcherite consumerism.
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« Reply #16 on: May 21, 2020, 03:57:56 PM »

the most Tory English county is surely Rutland

but that might be cheating
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« Reply #17 on: May 21, 2020, 07:27:54 PM »

Of the four countries, then Northern Ireland, but Lincolnshire seems like the best bet for within England.
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« Reply #18 on: May 22, 2020, 01:41:26 AM »

Socially NI, right wing Lincolnshire
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« Reply #19 on: May 22, 2020, 07:13:53 AM »

Lincs is a pretty good shout (not least because it is *very* white, more so than either Kent or Essex)
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« Reply #20 on: May 23, 2020, 10:50:23 AM »

the first answer that comes to me is Surrey: absolutely no Labour tradition (the county has never elected a Labour MP, and even the areas of the county that were absorbed into London contains some of the most anti-Labour regions of the capital), no real Liberal tradition (they returned 3 Liberals in the 1906 landslide and Guildford ramdomly returned a Lib Dem in 2001; they've enjoyed some local success, but as small c-conservatives), no radical tradition before then (well, unless you go to like, the Diggers, who weren't exactly popular locally). It basically transitioned seamlessly from sleepy gentry-controlled rural fiefdom to favoured domitary of the most well-off of London commuters, with little of the more working-class/lower middle-class towns that dot many of the other supposed "bourgeois" Home Counties. Of course, in the supposed realignement of Brexit, the Lib Dems desperately tried excising Tory domination, but their efforts proved fruitless.
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« Reply #21 on: May 23, 2020, 12:16:23 PM »

Northen Ireland has high rate of unionisation and the right-wing parties there aren't all that Thatcherite, so it has to be England.
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« Reply #22 on: May 23, 2020, 01:16:00 PM »

the first answer that comes to me is Surrey: absolutely no Labour tradition (the county has never elected a Labour MP, and even the areas of the county that were absorbed into London contains some of the most anti-Labour regions of the capital), no real Liberal tradition (they returned 3 Liberals in the 1906 landslide and Guildford ramdomly returned a Lib Dem in 2001; they've enjoyed some local success, but as small c-conservatives), no radical tradition before then (well, unless you go to like, the Diggers, who weren't exactly popular locally). It basically transitioned seamlessly from sleepy gentry-controlled rural fiefdom to favoured domitary of the most well-off of London commuters, with little of the more working-class/lower middle-class towns that dot many of the other supposed "bourgeois" Home Counties. Of course, in the supposed realignement of Brexit, the Lib Dems desperately tried excising Tory domination, but their efforts proved fruitless.

Isn't Surrey often referred to as the "stockbroker belt"? 
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« Reply #23 on: May 23, 2020, 02:00:23 PM »

the first answer that comes to me is Surrey: absolutely no Labour tradition (the county has never elected a Labour MP, and even the areas of the county that were absorbed into London contains some of the most anti-Labour regions of the capital), no real Liberal tradition (they returned 3 Liberals in the 1906 landslide and Guildford ramdomly returned a Lib Dem in 2001; they've enjoyed some local success, but as small c-conservatives), no radical tradition before then (well, unless you go to like, the Diggers, who weren't exactly popular locally). It basically transitioned seamlessly from sleepy gentry-controlled rural fiefdom to favoured domitary of the most well-off of London commuters, with little of the more working-class/lower middle-class towns that dot many of the other supposed "bourgeois" Home Counties. Of course, in the supposed realignement of Brexit, the Lib Dems desperately tried excising Tory domination, but their efforts proved fruitless.
It's not an accident that J.K. Rowling located Harry Potter's hyper-conservative abusive stepparents in a fictitious London suburb called Little Whinging in Surrey. (Although I'm not an expert on the UK, Harry Potter seems to draw a lot on stereotypes about place and class when it comes to its characters' backgrounds.)
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« Reply #24 on: May 23, 2020, 02:39:30 PM »

the first answer that comes to me is Surrey: absolutely no Labour tradition (the county has never elected a Labour MP, and even the areas of the county that were absorbed into London contains some of the most anti-Labour regions of the capital), no real Liberal tradition (they returned 3 Liberals in the 1906 landslide and Guildford ramdomly returned a Lib Dem in 2001; they've enjoyed some local success, but as small c-conservatives), no radical tradition before then (well, unless you go to like, the Diggers, who weren't exactly popular locally). It basically transitioned seamlessly from sleepy gentry-controlled rural fiefdom to favoured domitary of the most well-off of London commuters, with little of the more working-class/lower middle-class towns that dot many of the other supposed "bourgeois" Home Counties. Of course, in the supposed realignement of Brexit, the Lib Dems desperately tried excising Tory domination, but their efforts proved fruitless.
The hardcore of the old Chelsea mob with links to Combat 18 all came from Surrey
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