Should 'excessive hyperbole' as a moderation option exist?

[Libertas Vel Mors]

I don’t believe that being a communist alone is grounds for execution. What I believe you are referring to is my saying that the actions of Pinochet in the 80s were justified due to their crisis circumstances, which I believe they were. Even then though, yes, I do hold communists of all stripes in contempt. Communism is an ideology built upon theft, evil, and base ludditism (labor theory of value). My general stance on “acceptance” is that I consider near all non fascist/communist ideologies open for debate, but that I consider those two ideologies to be so fundamentally evil as to be unworthy of respect.

What is inherently evil about communism?

Communism is an ideology built around the theft and the elimination of competition. It is the ideology of failure. To me, the clearest representation of this is the opposition to "inequality," as if it is somehow bad that he who works hardest and is most successful reaps the greatest rewards. Instead of allowing us all to enjoy our liberty and seek our full potential, communism and it's members, whether consciously or subconsciously, want to cap it so that there is no risk of failure. Furthermore, to do this, even "anarcho communism," a contradiction in terms, uses government force and authoritarianism to deny liberty and reduce the individual freedoms to trade, to engage in commerce, and to produce. Communism inherently requires the suppression of liberty, and inherently requires the theft of another's labor (yes, I have read certain Marxist texts, and yes, I know communists like to claim that communism is about owning the fruits of your own labor. That assertion is so easily refuted it bears little value to even repeat). Even irregardless of it's base economic illiteracy, it's manifest refutation by history or any of the other many factors going against it, any person who self defines as a communist inherently ties themselves to an acceptance of the subpar and a hatred of true freedom, and I find that contemptible.

[Deep Dixieland Senator, Muad'dib (OSR MSR)]

I don't know, but Haley/Ryan should definitely be moderated for his use of the R-NC avatar, tricking me into reading his posts by making me think I'm about to enjoy another long-winded historical treatment by Yankee.

Well you could just read his username.

That's not how any of this works.

Good to know the ability to read only applys to a post and not the username. By the way did Y'all know I'm actually TimTurner?

[America Needs R'hllor]

I don’t believe that being a communist alone is grounds for execution. What I believe you are referring to is my saying that the actions of Pinochet in the 80s were justified due to their crisis circumstances, which I believe they were. Even then though, yes, I do hold communists of all stripes in contempt. Communism is an ideology built upon theft, evil, and base ludditism (labor theory of value). My general stance on “acceptance” is that I consider near all non fascist/communist ideologies open for debate, but that I consider those two ideologies to be so fundamentally evil as to be unworthy of respect.

What is inherently evil about communism?

You don't have any right to my allowance!

[Fuzzy Bear]

This question can be easily dodged by permabanning bad posters.

Ban the bad posters (you know who I am talking about) and 90% of the posts in question will disappear.

Who are the "bad posters"?  Some say that I am.  There is a significant contingent here that desire this forum to be an Echo Chamber, much like a CNN panel.  This category, and related categories "derailing" are being used to increase the infraction rate of people that many here (like myself) that some wish would just go away.  It is already being used unfairly, and it is unfair in principle.

My message to Brave New Atlas management is this:  Just go ahead and ban people.  That's what you really want to do.  Satisfy the desires of your heart!  Ban the Neanderthals, even if they haven't violated the ToS in a decade.  Do it because you can.  But if this is going to be a discussion forum, let there be open discussion on the application of the principle of fairness here. 

This isn't ridiculous.  This is a POLITICS forum.  Lots of people here have dreams of holding public office.  A few already have, and others have run for office.  Many here (myself included) have held party office.  How fair people are here is an indication of how fair they'd be if they were ever elected to something of consequence.

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

I don’t believe that being a communist alone is grounds for execution. What I believe you are referring to is my saying that the actions of Pinochet in the 80s were justified due to their crisis circumstances, which I believe they were. Even then though, yes, I do hold communists of all stripes in contempt. Communism is an ideology built upon theft, evil, and base ludditism (labor theory of value). My general stance on “acceptance” is that I consider near all non fascist/communist ideologies open for debate, but that I consider those two ideologies to be so fundamentally evil as to be unworthy of respect.

What is inherently evil about communism?

That's the funny part, because communism, as envisioned in the Marx's writings, is hardly "inherently evil", unlike Nazism or the idea of owning other people. Marx didn't himself really advocate revolution, believing the communist society will evolve naturally when capitalism reaches its' peak. His ideas are something that can be disagreed with, but can't be objectionably described as "inherently evil", and many of his observations broadened our horizons on the field of economics and social studies and retains. You can easily meet people ideologically far from communism that respects him as a great economist and political philosopher.

As of the "communist" countries that we've subsequently seen emerging, they were essentially a perversion of Marx's findings. For example, many viewed treated Lenin's "revolution" as a total folly, since establishing communism in a country primarily made up of peasants and of little level of industrialization directly contradicted Marx (not to mention the "October Revolution" was not a revolution to begin with, but a classical coup d'etat).

Furthermore, there's no such thing as one "unified" variant of communism. It has a number of currents, some coming closer to democratic socialism, even social democracy, and some that degenerated into pretty terrible movements.

[Fuzzy Bear]

I don’t believe that being a communist alone is grounds for execution. What I believe you are referring to is my saying that the actions of Pinochet in the 80s were justified due to their crisis circumstances, which I believe they were. Even then though, yes, I do hold communists of all stripes in contempt. Communism is an ideology built upon theft, evil, and base ludditism (labor theory of value). My general stance on “acceptance” is that I consider near all non fascist/communist ideologies open for debate, but that I consider those two ideologies to be so fundamentally evil as to be unworthy of respect.

What is inherently evil about communism?

That's the funny part, because communism, as envisioned in the Marx's writings, is hardly "inherently evil", unlike Nazism or the idea of owning other people. Marx didn't himself really advocate revolution, believing the communist society will evolve naturally when capitalism reaches its' peak. His ideas are something that can be disagreed with, but can't be objectionably described as "inherently evil", and many of his observations broadened our horizons on the field of economics and social studies and retains. You can easily meet people ideologically far from communism that respects him as a great economist and political philosopher.

As of the "communist" countries that we've subsequently seen emerging, they were essentially a perversion of Marx's findings. For example, many viewed treated Lenin's "revolution" as a total folly, since establishing communism in a country primarily made up of peasants and of little level of industrialization directly contradicted Marx (not to mention the "October Revolution" was not a revolution to begin with, but a classical coup d'etat).

Furthermore, there's no such thing as one "unified" variant of communism. It has a number of currents, some coming closer to democratic socialism, even social democracy, and some that degenerated into pretty terrible movements.

Talk about excessive hyperbole.

All animals are equal.

But some are more equal than others.

[FEMA Camp Administrator]

I’m so confused at the rage in this thread. Why would we tolerate posters calling for other posters’ executions?

EDIT: FTR, I think it’s fair to say that attempting to entirely disown Lenin as a perversion is only *one* way the left treated Lenin and the Soviet Union, and (a) whether Lenin was a “real Marxist”, and (b) whether Stalin’s Russia was a natural outgrowth of Lenin, are still up for debate.

[FEMA Camp Administrator]

I don't know, but Haley/Ryan should definitely be moderated for his use of the R-NC avatar, tricking me into reading his posts by making me think I'm about to enjoy another long-winded historical treatment by Yankee.

I've been having the exact same problem, and had considered voicing my concerns. You are far more polite than I would have been, so thank you.

I don't know, but Haley/Ryan should definitely be moderated for his use of the R-NC avatar, tricking me into reading his posts by making me think I'm about to enjoy another long-winded historical treatment by Yankee.

Well you could just read his username.

That's not how any of this works.

My apologies, I'm bad with sarcasm -- but you're joking, right?

My answer to both you and the venerable Kwisatz Haderach, Voice from the Outer World Muad-Dib is that it legitimately does create confusion when a particular user and posting style are associated with a particular avatar, and then a second avatar of that same kind appears and there is nothing really distinguishing in the signature to tell them apart at first glance.

There are a few particular clusters where one is accustomed to having to glance at the username more closely--D-NY in particular--but a number of prominent posters may be one of only two representing that particular shape and color combo.

[Libertas Vel Mors]

I don’t believe that being a communist alone is grounds for execution. What I believe you are referring to is my saying that the actions of Pinochet in the 80s were justified due to their crisis circumstances, which I believe they were. Even then though, yes, I do hold communists of all stripes in contempt. Communism is an ideology built upon theft, evil, and base ludditism (labor theory of value). My general stance on “acceptance” is that I consider near all non fascist/communist ideologies open for debate, but that I consider those two ideologies to be so fundamentally evil as to be unworthy of respect.

What is inherently evil about communism?

That's the funny part, because communism, as envisioned in the Marx's writings, is hardly "inherently evil", unlike Nazism or the idea of owning other people. Marx didn't himself really advocate revolution, believing the communist society will evolve naturally when capitalism reaches its' peak. His ideas are something that can be disagreed with, but can't be objectionably described as "inherently evil", and many of his observations broadened our horizons on the field of economics and social studies and retains. You can easily meet people ideologically far from communism that respects him as a great economist and political philosopher.

As of the "communist" countries that we've subsequently seen emerging, they were essentially a perversion of Marx's findings. For example, many viewed treated Lenin's "revolution" as a total folly, since establishing communism in a country primarily made up of peasants and of little level of industrialization directly contradicted Marx (not to mention the "October Revolution" was not a revolution to begin with, but a classical coup d'etat).

Furthermore, there's no such thing as one "unified" variant of communism. It has a number of currents, some coming closer to democratic socialism, even social democracy, and some that degenerated into pretty terrible movements.

Marx advocated for the abolition of inequality and invented the labor theory of value (or at least popularized it). His ideology was just as inherently evil as its offshoots.

[SevenEleven]

I don’t believe that being a communist alone is grounds for execution. What I believe you are referring to is my saying that the actions of Pinochet in the 80s were justified due to their crisis circumstances, which I believe they were. Even then though, yes, I do hold communists of all stripes in contempt. Communism is an ideology built upon theft, evil, and base ludditism (labor theory of value). My general stance on “acceptance” is that I consider near all non fascist/communist ideologies open for debate, but that I consider those two ideologies to be so fundamentally evil as to be unworthy of respect.

What is inherently evil about communism?

That's the funny part, because communism, as envisioned in the Marx's writings, is hardly "inherently evil", unlike Nazism or the idea of owning other people. Marx didn't himself really advocate revolution, believing the communist society will evolve naturally when capitalism reaches its' peak. His ideas are something that can be disagreed with, but can't be objectionably described as "inherently evil", and many of his observations broadened our horizons on the field of economics and social studies and retains. You can easily meet people ideologically far from communism that respects him as a great economist and political philosopher.

As of the "communist" countries that we've subsequently seen emerging, they were essentially a perversion of Marx's findings. For example, many viewed treated Lenin's "revolution" as a total folly, since establishing communism in a country primarily made up of peasants and of little level of industrialization directly contradicted Marx (not to mention the "October Revolution" was not a revolution to begin with, but a classical coup d'etat).

Furthermore, there's no such thing as one "unified" variant of communism. It has a number of currents, some coming closer to democratic socialism, even social democracy, and some that degenerated into pretty terrible movements.

Talk about excessive hyperbole.

All animals are equal.

But some are more equal than others.

Are you actually trying to argue with someone who lives in a post-communist nation by misappropriating Orwell?

[Fuzzy Bear]

I don’t believe that being a communist alone is grounds for execution. What I believe you are referring to is my saying that the actions of Pinochet in the 80s were justified due to their crisis circumstances, which I believe they were. Even then though, yes, I do hold communists of all stripes in contempt. Communism is an ideology built upon theft, evil, and base ludditism (labor theory of value). My general stance on “acceptance” is that I consider near all non fascist/communist ideologies open for debate, but that I consider those two ideologies to be so fundamentally evil as to be unworthy of respect.

What is inherently evil about communism?

That's the funny part, because communism, as envisioned in the Marx's writings, is hardly "inherently evil", unlike Nazism or the idea of owning other people. Marx didn't himself really advocate revolution, believing the communist society will evolve naturally when capitalism reaches its' peak. His ideas are something that can be disagreed with, but can't be objectionably described as "inherently evil", and many of his observations broadened our horizons on the field of economics and social studies and retains. You can easily meet people ideologically far from communism that respects him as a great economist and political philosopher.

As of the "communist" countries that we've subsequently seen emerging, they were essentially a perversion of Marx's findings. For example, many viewed treated Lenin's "revolution" as a total folly, since establishing communism in a country primarily made up of peasants and of little level of industrialization directly contradicted Marx (not to mention the "October Revolution" was not a revolution to begin with, but a classical coup d'etat).

Furthermore, there's no such thing as one "unified" variant of communism. It has a number of currents, some coming closer to democratic socialism, even social democracy, and some that degenerated into pretty terrible movements.

Talk about excessive hyperbole.

All animals are equal.

But some are more equal than others.

Are you actually trying to argue with someone who lives in a post-communist nation by misappropriating Orwell?

If you say so, Boomer.

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

I don’t believe that being a communist alone is grounds for execution. What I believe you are referring to is my saying that the actions of Pinochet in the 80s were justified due to their crisis circumstances, which I believe they were. Even then though, yes, I do hold communists of all stripes in contempt. Communism is an ideology built upon theft, evil, and base ludditism (labor theory of value). My general stance on “acceptance” is that I consider near all non fascist/communist ideologies open for debate, but that I consider those two ideologies to be so fundamentally evil as to be unworthy of respect.

What is inherently evil about communism?

That's the funny part, because communism, as envisioned in the Marx's writings, is hardly "inherently evil", unlike Nazism or the idea of owning other people. Marx didn't himself really advocate revolution, believing the communist society will evolve naturally when capitalism reaches its' peak. His ideas are something that can be disagreed with, but can't be objectionably described as "inherently evil", and many of his observations broadened our horizons on the field of economics and social studies and retains. You can easily meet people ideologically far from communism that respects him as a great economist and political philosopher.

As of the "communist" countries that we've subsequently seen emerging, they were essentially a perversion of Marx's findings. For example, many viewed treated Lenin's "revolution" as a total folly, since establishing communism in a country primarily made up of peasants and of little level of industrialization directly contradicted Marx (not to mention the "October Revolution" was not a revolution to begin with, but a classical coup d'etat).

Furthermore, there's no such thing as one "unified" variant of communism. It has a number of currents, some coming closer to democratic socialism, even social democracy, and some that degenerated into pretty terrible movements.

Talk about excessive hyperbole.

All animals are equal.

But some are more equal than others.

Are you actually trying to argue with someone who lives in a post-communist nation by misappropriating Orwell?

I really like the irony of Fuzzy quoting a leftist writer.

[Boobs]

Fuzzy’s post and nickname provides evidence that being born before the invention of the television and the advent of talkies does not guarantee one to be well-read.

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

Fuzzy’s post and nickname provides evidence that being born before the invention of the television and the advent of talkies does not guarantee one to be well-read.

The post just before me represents one of the pettiest and vindictive personal attacks I've seen in a while.

[Libertas Vel Mors]

Fuzzy’s post and nickname provides evidence that being born before the invention of the television and the advent of talkies does not guarantee one to be well-read.

Fuzzy is one of the most well read people on this site, as much as he is a leftie

[💥💥 brandon bro (he/him/his)]

This question can be easily dodged by permabanning bad posters.

Ban the bad posters (you know who I am talking about) and 90% of the posts in question will disappear.

Who are the "bad posters"?  Some say that I am.  There is a significant contingent here that desire this forum to be an Echo Chamber, much like a CNN panel.  This category, and related categories "derailing" are being used to increase the infraction rate of people that many here (like myself) that some wish would just go away.  It is already being used unfairly, and it is unfair in principle.

My message to Brave New Atlas management is this:  Just go ahead and ban people.  That's what you really want to do.  Satisfy the desires of your heart!  Ban the Neanderthals, even if they haven't violated the ToS in a decade.  Do it because you can.  But if this is going to be a discussion forum, let there be open discussion on the application of the principle of fairness here.  

This isn't ridiculous.  This is a POLITICS forum.  Lots of people here have dreams of holding public office.  A few already have, and others have run for office.  Many here (myself included) have held party office.  How fair people are here is an indication of how fair they'd be if they were ever elected to something of consequence.

The "bad posters" I am referring to are the teenage shock jocks who go out of their way to stir up sh**t, make a ton of work for moderators, derail otherwise interesting threads, and complain vociferously when they get the exact response they were baiting for, presumably all because their parents didn't hug them enough.

You are annoying sometimes (like right now) but you are not who I was talking about and nobody is interested in you being banned.

[Fuzzy Bear]

When it's used against me in an utterly ridiculous way, I take it to heart that the option was created as a tool to target certain posters.  

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

When it's used against me in an utterly ridiculous way, I take it to heart that the option was created as a tool to target certain posters.  

Fuzzy, you're not getting moderated that frequently. But you do have a point, I'm a biased mod. Biased because I largely let you get away with s**tposting I'd infract somebody else for.

I'm sure my unprofessional bias offends your basic sense of justice and consistency.

[FEMA Camp Administrator]

I’m so confused at the rage in this thread.

literally what is going on

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

I’m so confused at the rage in this thread.

literally what is going on

This is how trying to get a feedback from the community usually ends up.

[Former President tack50]

I’m so confused at the rage in this thread.

literally what is going on

This is how trying to get a feedback from the community usually ends up.

To quote a famous Fantasyland statesman: "Everyone wants reform, but nobody wants your reform

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

I’m so confused at the rage in this thread.

literally what is going on

see also: Russia's experiments with constitutional monarchy in the wake of 1905

[The Dowager Mod]

Only on this forum could a simple administrative question turn into a pissing match about Marxism.

[Mr. Morden]

I don't think I ever infracted any posts for "excessive hyperbole" when I was a mod.  Seemed like more of a punchline than an actual reason to infract a post.

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

I don't think I ever infracted any posts for "excessive hyperbole" when I was a mod.  Seemed like more of a punchline than an actual reason to infract a post.

I feel it's redundant to have this option, since really bad cases of "excessive hyperbole" can be easily solved as trolling.