FT 15.18 - Right to Bear Arms Act (DEBATING)
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« on: May 16, 2020, 07:10:53 PM »
« edited: May 16, 2020, 07:49:39 PM by Interim Speaker Oregon Blue Dog »

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AN ACT
to aid amputee victims

Section I (Title)
i. The title of this Act shall be, the "Right to Bear Arms Act"

Section II (Recognitions)
ii. The Commonwealth of Frémont recognizes the right of all human residents to bear arms, legs, hands, feet, toes, fingers, and limbs in general, whether natural or artificial.

Section III (Implementation)
iii. The government of the Commonwealth of Frémont shall fund in full all elective procedures for the purpose of replacing lost limbs (arms, legs, hands, feet, toes, and fingers), including the purchase and installment of prosthetic limbs and other relevant treatment.
Sponsor: Oregon Blue Dog (Meadowlark-Labor, Oregon)

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« Reply #1 on: May 16, 2020, 07:49:22 PM »

The goal of this act is simple. The loss of a limb is one of the most debilitating injuries possible, and living life without a limb brings unimaginable difficulty. As the region with perhaps the most extensive services for our citizens, it's our duty to ensure these victims can at least regain some functionality in their lost limbs - these procedures, in the grand scheme of things, will not tax our regional budget - but will be life-changing for the Fremonters this act serves.

Yield for a comment.
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« Reply #2 on: May 20, 2020, 08:59:43 AM »

I'd still like to know what this would cost, though as a matter of principle I support this legislation.
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« Reply #3 on: May 20, 2020, 11:35:05 AM »

I'd still like to know what this would cost, though as a matter of principle I support this legislation.
Here's my rough calculations:

Amputees per year in the United States: 185,000
185,000*0.2707 (Fremont population share) = 50,080 amputations per year in Fremont

Cost of amputations (https://www.diabetesselfmanagement.com/blog/costs-of-amputation/)
$73,000-$120,000 including follow-up costs, average of $96,500

Total: $4,832,720,000

That's actually...significantly higher...than I was expecting, though assuming we have public healthcare here that might cover some of this cost. Maybe it would be wise to amend out a subset of the population (potentially those who could actually afford the procedures), and make the offer available for Fremont residents only - I'd like to hear what y'all think.

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« Reply #4 on: May 20, 2020, 11:10:06 PM »

I'd still like to know what this would cost, though as a matter of principle I support this legislation.
Here's my rough calculations:

Amputees per year in the United States: 185,000
185,000*0.2707 (Fremont population share) = 50,080 amputations per year in Fremont

Cost of amputations (https://www.diabetesselfmanagement.com/blog/costs-of-amputation/)
$73,000-$120,000 including follow-up costs, average of $96,500

Total: $4,832,720,000

That's actually...significantly higher...than I was expecting, though assuming we have public healthcare here that might cover some of this cost. Maybe it would be wise to amend out a subset of the population (potentially those who could actually afford the procedures), and make the offer available for Fremont residents only - I'd like to hear what y'all think.
But not all of those amputees will need the full program, right? Presumably many if not most already have prosthetic limbs or have begun or completed therapy, which would lower the overall cost to the region per annum. We also passed that bill in the last parliament to control medical costs, so prices are likely lower than IRL.
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« Reply #5 on: May 20, 2020, 11:42:09 PM »

I'd still like to know what this would cost, though as a matter of principle I support this legislation.
Here's my rough calculations:

Amputees per year in the United States: 185,000
185,000*0.2707 (Fremont population share) = 50,080 amputations per year in Fremont

Cost of amputations (https://www.diabetesselfmanagement.com/blog/costs-of-amputation/)
$73,000-$120,000 including follow-up costs, average of $96,500

Total: $4,832,720,000

That's actually...significantly higher...than I was expecting, though assuming we have public healthcare here that might cover some of this cost. Maybe it would be wise to amend out a subset of the population (potentially those who could actually afford the procedures), and make the offer available for Fremont residents only - I'd like to hear what y'all think.
But not all of those amputees will need the full program, right? Presumably many if not most already have prosthetic limbs or have begun or completed therapy, which would lower the overall cost to the region per annum. We also passed that bill in the last parliament to control medical costs, so prices are likely lower than IRL.
Well the medical price controls will help, but there'll obviously be new amputees every year, so in addition to paying to wrap up treatments we'll need to financially back initiating new treatments - hence the 'per year' designation. That said, with our surplus, it can be done, though as I said earlier, I wasn't anticipating the expenditure to rise into the billions.
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« Reply #6 on: May 23, 2020, 12:58:11 PM »

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AN ACT
to aid amputee victims

Section I (Title)
i. The title of this Act shall be, the "Right to Bear Arms Act"

Section II (Recognitions)
ii. The Commonwealth of Frémont recognizes the right of all human residents citizens and permanent residents of Frémont to bear arms, legs, hands, feet, toes, fingers, and limbs in general, whether natural or artificial.

Section III (Implementation)
iii. The government of the Commonwealth of Frémont shall fund in full all elective procedures for the purpose of replacing lost limbs (arms, legs, hands, feet, toes, and fingers), including the purchase and installment of prosthetic limbs and other relevant treatment, for citizens and permanent residents of Frémont.
Proposing an amendment so we're not paying for the amputations of non-Frémonters. 24 hours to object.
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« Reply #7 on: May 24, 2020, 06:09:14 PM »

The amendment passes.

Any other comments?
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« Reply #8 on: May 25, 2020, 01:01:01 PM »

Motion to vote.
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« Reply #9 on: May 28, 2020, 11:11:47 AM »

Bumping for the new Parliament.

Any comments before proceeding to a final vote?
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« Reply #10 on: May 28, 2020, 06:38:04 PM »

No issues here. Fire away.
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« Reply #11 on: May 28, 2020, 07:06:41 PM »

Motioning for final vote.
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« Reply #12 on: June 06, 2020, 04:20:18 PM »

Bumping. We have backlog now so might be best to vote on this one...
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« Reply #13 on: June 07, 2020, 11:42:52 PM »

I think so, too.
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« Reply #14 on: June 08, 2020, 11:23:17 AM »

I guess that counts as a motion to vote (doubt anyone will object). Vote opened, 48 hours.

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« Reply #15 on: June 08, 2020, 10:50:55 PM »

Aye.
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« Reply #16 on: June 09, 2020, 04:57:50 AM »

Aye.
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« Reply #17 on: June 09, 2020, 05:06:30 AM »

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« Reply #18 on: June 09, 2020, 05:46:38 AM »

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« Reply #19 on: June 09, 2020, 11:21:01 AM »

Right to Bear Arms Act
Frémont Parliament Bill 15.18 - Sponsored by Oregon Blue Dog, MFP

LABINDTOTAL
Aye
4
1
5
Nay
0
0
0
Abstain
0
0
0
Not Present
0
0
0

FFFGMLSFTOTAL
Aye
2
1
1
1
5
Nay
0
0
0
0
0
Abstain
0
0
0
0
0
Not Present
0
0
0
0
0

First Minister HARRY S TRUMAN of North Dakota (LAB/FF)
Mr. AUSTRALIANSWINGVOTER of Washington (IND/ML)
Mr. TIRNAM of California (LAB/FF)
Mr. TED BESSELL of California (LAB/FG)
Mr. OREGON BLUE DOG of Oregon (LAB/SF)

Another unanimous vote!
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« Reply #20 on: June 09, 2020, 11:50:25 PM »

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AN ACT
to aid amputee victims

Section I (Title)
i. The title of this Act shall be, the "Right to Bear Arms Act"

Section II (Recognitions)
ii. The Commonwealth of Frémont recognizes the right of all citizens and permanent residents of Frémont to bear arms, legs, hands, feet, toes, fingers, and limbs in general, whether natural or artificial.

Section III (Implementation)
iii. The government of the Commonwealth of Frémont shall fund in full all elective procedures for the purpose of replacing lost limbs (arms, legs, hands, feet, toes, and fingers), including the purchase and installment of prosthetic limbs and other relevant treatment, for citizens and permanent residents of Frémont.

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