Would you be pleased with this result?

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President: Joe Biden wins national popular vote, but Donald Trump wins electoral college and is re-elected (by narrowly holding onto FL, AZ, WI, and PA).

Senate: Democrats lose Alabama as expected, but pick up Maine (Gideon), North Carolina (Cunningham), Montana (Bullock), Arizona (Kelly), and Colorado (Hickenlooper), for a net gain of 4 seats.  Mitch McConnell is tossed as Majority Leader in January 2021.

House: The Democratic majority hardly changes- they gain a few seats, but also lose a few seats.

So Trump re-elected, but with a Democratic Congress that is unified against him, and the possibility of a big blue wave in 2022.

[Darthpi – Anti-Florida Activist]

No.

The scale of the crisis this country is in is so massive right now that a simple Congressional majority in both chambers is plainly inadequate. Either Trump needs to lose, or the Congressional majorities need to be veto-proof, and thus large enough to carry out impeachment and removal.

[Fmr. Gov. NickG]

No. There is no scenario in which Donald Trump is reelected that I would be pleased with.

[Dr. Arch]

No. There is no scenario in which Donald Trump is reelected that I would be pleased with.

[ProgressiveModerate]

No, even if Trump has all his limbs cut off, it's what he says and his general tenure which is dangerous for our Democracy. A D senate and house won't be able to stop him from stirring up chaos.

[TiltsAreUnderrated]

It’d be bad anyway, but with only 51 seats, I’d worry that the majority is too small to block Supreme Court nominations.

[Reaganfan]

I would worry about the Senate being too Democratic to confirm Trump Supreme Court nominees during a second term.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

There is no scenario where Trump gets reelected

[Cashew]

I wouldn't exactly be happy with this outcome, but I would prefer this happen rather than a Dem presidency and a Republican senate.

[Galeel]

It’d be bad anyway, but with only 51 seats, I’d worry that the majority is too small to block Supreme Court nominations.

You probably only need 51 seats to do that, even if you have senators who would break the party line, because the majority leader can just refuse to hold a vote. That's what happened with Merrick Garland.

[SN2903]

Happy with Trump winning but overall no because a Democratic senate means he will literally get nothing done. Pure gridlock for 4 years.

[MR DARK BRANDON]

No. There is no scenario in which Donald Trump is reelected that I would be pleased with.

[Non Swing Voter]

No.  I'd even be fine with losing the house if it means Trump and his band of criminals are gone.

[brucejoel99]

No. There is no scenario in which Donald Trump is reelected that I would be pleased with.

[Mr. Smith]

Very, easily the best scenario where the long game is concerned.

Dems get the real power [not that Crying Chuck and the centrists will actually use it], but Trump gets the blame. Might even lead to a veto-proof 2022.

Too bad this is unlikely to actually happen.

[BlueSwan]

No. There is no scenario in which Donald Trump is reelected that I would be pleased with.

[Mr. Smith]

No.  I'd even be fine with losing the house if it means Trump and his band of criminals are gone.

You want the same problems that lead to Trump in the first place? You want the GOP given a free pass to cook up something worse than Trump on all counts for 2024 and rule Congress?

[brucejoel99]

Very, easily the best scenario where the long game is concerned.

Dems get the real power [not that Crying Chuck and the centrists will actually use it], but Trump gets the blame. Might even lead to a veto-proof 2022.

Too bad this is unlikely to actually happen.

You seem to be arguing from the perspective that the Democrats ought to be just as obsessed with 'power for power's sake' as Republicans, forgetting that the Trump presidency is a real disaster for the country with long-lasting effects (court appointments, policies that are gonna take a lot of effort to reverse, etc.). The negative changes in political discourse alone will take a long time to undo.

The Trump election was bad, plain & simple.

[Mr. Smith]

Very, easily the best scenario where the long game is concerned.

Dems get the real power [not that Crying Chuck and the centrists will actually use it], but Trump gets the blame. Might even lead to a veto-proof 2022.

Too bad this is unlikely to actually happen.

You seem to be arguing from the perspective that the Democrats ought to be just as obsessed with 'power for power's sake' as Republicans, forgetting that the Trump presidency is a real disaster for the country with long-lasting effects (court appointments, policies that are gonna take a lot of effort to reverse, etc.). The negative changes in political discourse alone will take a long time to undo.

The Trump election was bad, plain & simple.

If that's the angle that has to be taken to enact policies to combat climate change, wage inflation, & the public option, so be it.

There's a lot of irreversible damage with even more "long-lasting" effects than just some political systemic decorum.

Oh, and to make it even more plain and simple: 2016 was pretty much doomed after Hagan, Udall, and Begich lost their re-election bids and put McConnell into power.

[brucejoel99]

Very, easily the best scenario where the long game is concerned.

Dems get the real power [not that Crying Chuck and the centrists will actually use it], but Trump gets the blame. Might even lead to a veto-proof 2022.

Too bad this is unlikely to actually happen.

You seem to be arguing from the perspective that the Democrats ought to be just as obsessed with 'power for power's sake' as Republicans, forgetting that the Trump presidency is a real disaster for the country with long-lasting effects (court appointments, policies that are gonna take a lot of effort to reverse, etc.). The negative changes in political discourse alone will take a long time to undo.

The Trump election was bad, plain & simple.

If that's the angle that has to be taken to enact policies to combat climate change, wage inflation, & the public option, so be it.

There's a lot of irreversible damage with even more "long-lasting" effects than just some political systemic decorum.

Okay. Say Trump wins in 2020. Even if the Democrats win a Senate supermajority in 2022/24, the Republicans have already broken the system & stacked the courts so badly that even a full Democratic trifecta come 2024 would be doomed due to the Supreme Court being so stacked in a bad way that every Democratic law would be successfully challenged (& don't think for a second that 49 Republican Senators + Manchin (who's already declared his re-election campaign for 2024) & potentially vulnerable Democrats like Sinema/Kelly wouldn't allow the vast majority of 'acceptable' Trump nominees to still be confirmed anyway, because of course they will).

So yeah, Democrats can take power in a big way post-Trump. Sure. But that power would be more tenuous than you're imagining.

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No. There is no scenario in which Donald Trump is reelected that I would be pleased with.

[Mr. Smith]

Very, easily the best scenario where the long game is concerned.

Dems get the real power [not that Crying Chuck and the centrists will actually use it], but Trump gets the blame. Might even lead to a veto-proof 2022.

Too bad this is unlikely to actually happen.

You seem to be arguing from the perspective that the Democrats ought to be just as obsessed with 'power for power's sake' as Republicans, forgetting that the Trump presidency is a real disaster for the country with long-lasting effects (court appointments, policies that are gonna take a lot of effort to reverse, etc.). The negative changes in political discourse alone will take a long time to undo.

The Trump election was bad, plain & simple.

If that's the angle that has to be taken to enact policies to combat climate change, wage inflation, & the public option, so be it.

There's a lot of irreversible damage with even more "long-lasting" effects than just some political systemic decorum.

Okay. Say Trump wins in 2020. Even if the Democrats win a Senate supermajority in 2022/24, the Republicans have already broken the system & stacked the courts so badly that even a full Democratic trifecta come 2024 would be doomed due to the Supreme Court being so stacked in a bad way that every Democratic law would be successfully challenged (& don't think for a second that 49 Republican Senators + Manchin (who's already declared his re-election campaign for 2024) & potentially vulnerable Democrats like Sinema/Kelly wouldn't allow the vast majority of 'acceptable' Trump nominees to still be confirmed anyway, because of course they will).

So yeah, Democrats can take power in a big way post-Trump. Sure. But that power would be more tenuous than you're imagining.

By the same premise, a Biden victory wouldn't really change anything either then. It'd be him constantly pulling Merrick Garlands and getting blocked, it'd be bad faith Grand Bargain after bad faith Grand Bargain.

I'd also add that The Supreme Court has been a stacked mess since Warren's retirement.

[TDAS04]

No. There is no scenario in which Donald Trump is reelected that I would be pleased with.

[lfromnj]

Ok question to Democrats which scenario would you rather have ?
OP's
or this
Biden is narrowly elected but however doesn't win AZ and neither does Kelly. Due to some minor stuff about Gary Peters he narrowly runs behind Biden and John James wins along with Doug Jones losing but Hickenlooper loses. Intense polarization sets in the house and Democrats only have a 224 seat house majority.

So biden and a 47 53 senate.

[ugabug]

No. There is no scenario in which Donald Trump is reelected that I would be pleased with.