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« on: May 14, 2020, 11:27:29 AM »

You have to admit there is a problem with policing in America.......how did most hockey and baseball teams have Blue Lives Matter patches on their jerseys also?
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« Reply #1 on: May 14, 2020, 02:02:12 PM »

Baseball and Hockey have far smaller numbers of African American players than Football and Basketball
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« Reply #2 on: May 14, 2020, 02:51:34 PM »

fewer mundane laws and regulations that pit cop vs minority

fewer cops

more cameras which are mostly use to protect good cops from bad guys
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« Reply #3 on: May 14, 2020, 03:28:14 PM »

You have to admit there is a problem with policing in America.......how did most hockey and baseball teams have Blue Lives Matter patches on their jerseys also?

Because good, patriotic, white people watch baseball and hockey.
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« Reply #4 on: May 14, 2020, 05:45:04 PM »

More cops.  More cops with guns.  More cops in high-crime neighborhoods.  More cops in schools.  Harsher sentences for small-time gang-bangers and drug peddlers.
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« Reply #5 on: May 14, 2020, 06:18:35 PM »

More cops.  More cops with guns.  More cops in high-crime neighborhoods.  More cops in schools.  Harsher sentences for small-time gang-bangers and drug peddlers.

This seems like it will accomplish the opposite
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« Reply #6 on: May 14, 2020, 08:28:34 PM »

More cops.  More cops with guns.  More cops in high-crime neighborhoods.  More cops in schools.  Harsher sentences for small-time gang-bangers and drug peddlers.

This seems like it will accomplish the opposite

You think less cops in high crime neighborhoods is a good idea, it's not. The same neighborhoods with the cops vs civilian problems are the same people that call for the cops to come back.
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« Reply #7 on: May 14, 2020, 08:29:58 PM »

More cops.  More cops with guns.  More cops in high-crime neighborhoods.  More cops in schools.  Harsher sentences for small-time gang-bangers and drug peddlers.

This seems like it will accomplish the opposite

You think less cops in high crime neighborhoods is a good idea, it's not. The same neighborhoods with the cops vs civilian problems are the same people that call for the cops to come back.

I was talking more about the More cops, more guns argument
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« Reply #8 on: May 14, 2020, 11:03:45 PM »

More cops.  More cops with guns.  More cops in high-crime neighborhoods.  More cops in schools.  Harsher sentences for small-time gang-bangers and drug peddlers.
Cause the war on drugs has been going so well the past 50 years
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« Reply #9 on: May 16, 2020, 01:49:46 PM »

More cops.  More cops with guns.  More cops in high-crime neighborhoods.  More cops in schools.  Harsher sentences for small-time gang-bangers and drug peddlers.
You with pandemic control orders: My liberty! You can’t infringe on our rights!!! Police State! The cost!
You with cops in minority neighborhoods: Yay! Law and order!

At least be consistent.
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« Reply #10 on: May 16, 2020, 01:53:52 PM »

More cops.  More cops with guns.  More cops in high-crime neighborhoods.  More cops in schools.  Harsher sentences for small-time gang-bangers and drug peddlers.

This seems like it will accomplish the opposite

You think less cops in high crime neighborhoods is a good idea, it's not. The same neighborhoods with the cops vs civilian problems are the same people that call for the cops to come back.

I was talking more about the More cops, more guns argument
In high crime areas, they must be armed in the event of a worst case scenario. The problem isn’t the guns, it’s the lack of training for many cops that needs to change.
https://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2017/01/11/reimagining-the-police-through-training-and-reforms/
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« Reply #11 on: May 16, 2020, 05:15:54 PM »

More cops.  More cops with guns.  More cops in high-crime neighborhoods.  More cops in schools.  Harsher sentences for small-time gang-bangers and drug peddlers.
You with pandemic control orders: My liberty! You can’t infringe on our rights!!! Police State! The cost!
You with cops in minority neighborhoods: Yay! Law and order!

At least be consistent.

The very obvious difference is that law-abiding citizens have nothing to fear from increased police presence, whereas blanket lockdowns are a categorical suspension of certain (legal) activities for an indefinite period of time. 
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« Reply #12 on: May 17, 2020, 02:21:40 AM »

More cops.  More cops with guns.  More cops in high-crime neighborhoods.  More cops in schools.  Harsher sentences for small-time gang-bangers and drug peddlers.
You with pandemic control orders: My liberty! You can’t infringe on our rights!!! Police State! The cost!
You with cops in minority neighborhoods: Yay! Law and order!

At least be consistent.

The very obvious difference is that law-abiding citizens have nothing to fear from increased police presence, whereas blanket lockdowns are a categorical suspension of certain (legal) activities for an indefinite period of time. 

you sure about that?


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« Reply #13 on: May 17, 2020, 01:20:07 PM »

Fire anybody suspected of racial discrimination, focus on community policing, end stop-and-frisk. Use body cameras to ensure accountability.
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« Reply #14 on: May 17, 2020, 02:32:24 PM »

The very obvious difference is that law-abiding white citizens have nothing to fear from increased police presence, whereas blanket lockdowns are a categorical suspension of certain (legal) activities for an indefinite period of time. 

FTFY
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« Reply #15 on: May 18, 2020, 12:59:16 PM »

Peelian principles
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1 - “The basic mission for which the police exist is to prevent crime and disorder.”

2 - “The ability of the police to perform their duties is dependent upon public approval of police actions.”

3 - “Police must secure the willing co-operation of the public in voluntary observance of the law to be able to secure and maintain the respect of the public.”

4 - “The degree of co-operation of the public that can be secured diminishes proportionately to the necessity of the use of physical force.”

5 - “Police seek and preserve public favour not by catering to the public opinion but by constantly demonstrating absolute impartial service to the law.”

6 - “Police use physical force to the extent necessary to secure observance of the law or to restore order only when the exercise of persuasion, advice and warning is found to be insufficient.”

7 - “Police, at all times, should maintain a relationship with the public that gives reality to the historic tradition that the police are the public and the public are the police; the police being only members of the public who are paid to give full-time attention to duties which are incumbent on every citizen in the interests of community welfare and existence.”

8 - “Police should always direct their action strictly towards their functions and never appear to usurp the powers of the judiciary.”

9 - “The test of police efficiency is the absence of crime and disorder, not the visible evidence of police action in dealing with it.”
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« Reply #16 on: May 18, 2020, 07:48:49 PM »

1) Give the individual officer benefit of the doubt. They personally are influenced by their training and the amount of stress on their job.
-Brings another debate if cops should really be trained to shoot to kill?

2) Destroy small municipalities that depend on fines for revenue. Gives bad imagine to police officers.
-Brings another debate of restructuring fine systems. The current system obviously hurts poor and minorities far greater than most whites and higher income persons.

3) As dead0man mentioned let's vanquish mundane laws.
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« Reply #17 on: May 18, 2020, 08:13:40 PM »

More cops.  More cops with guns.  More cops in high-crime neighborhoods.  More cops in schools.  Harsher sentences for small-time gang-bangers and drug peddlers.
You with pandemic control orders: My liberty! You can’t infringe on our rights!!! Police State! The cost!
You with cops in minority neighborhoods: Yay! Law and order!

At least be consistent.

The very obvious difference is that law-abiding citizens have nothing to fear from increased police presence, whereas blanket lockdowns are a categorical suspension of certain (legal) activities for an indefinite period of time. 

The pigs literally arrested my mother and put her in jail for six weeks because they accused her of drunk driving when she was actually having a seizure - and they tried planting evidence to make her look like she was using drugs as well.  (Yes, we are suing the city for damages because of this.)  So pardon me if I don't agree with your assumption that law-abiding citizens "have nothing to fear".
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« Reply #18 on: May 18, 2020, 11:53:24 PM »

Body cameras.
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« Reply #19 on: May 19, 2020, 08:47:31 AM »

Police officers should get training about the constitutional principle of racial equality. Officers already get training in other constitutional principles, such as how to engage in legal searches and seizures, and how to interogate suspects legally. They should also be trained in the importance of treating everyone equally regardless of race.
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« Reply #20 on: May 19, 2020, 12:03:42 PM »

Police officers should get training about the constitutional principle of racial equality. Officers already get training in other constitutional principles, such as how to engage in legal searches and seizures, and how to interogate suspects legally. They should also be trained in the importance of treating everyone equally regardless of race.

good news everyone, we now shoot innocent people in way that is racially proportionate to the general population!
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« Reply #21 on: May 21, 2020, 07:04:20 PM »

Police officers should get training about the constitutional principle of racial equality. Officers already get training in other constitutional principles, such as how to engage in legal searches and seizures, and how to interogate suspects legally. They should also be trained in the importance of treating everyone equally regardless of race.

good news everyone, we now shoot innocent people in way that is racially proportionate to the general population!

Not very funny. Is that your impersonation of Prof. Farnsworth?
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« Reply #22 on: May 22, 2020, 02:03:09 PM »

More cops.  More cops with guns.  More cops in high-crime neighborhoods.  More cops in schools.  Harsher sentences for small-time gang-bangers and drug peddlers.

This seems like it will accomplish the opposite

You think less cops in high crime neighborhoods is a good idea, it's not. The same neighborhoods with the cops vs civilian problems are the same people that call for the cops to come back.

It's not about solving the problem, it's about cruelty for cruelty's sake
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« Reply #23 on: May 22, 2020, 02:36:33 PM »

1) Give the individual officer benefit of the doubt. They personally are influenced by their training and the amount of stress on their job.
-Brings another debate if cops should really be trained to shoot to kill?
American (and most other places) train their cops to "shoot to stop the threat", not "shoot to kill"...though it is often the same thing in practice.  "shooting to wound" is Hollywood nonsense.  Guns should only be used in life threatening situations, shooting a leg is not going to stop a determined human with a weapon from using that weapon.

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2) Destroy small municipalities that depend on fines for revenue. Gives bad imagine to police officers.
-Brings another debate of restructuring fine systems. The current system obviously hurts poor and minorities far greater than most whites and higher income persons.
yes, that would be a huge help to our nations poor who often get caught in a loop of fines and late fees.  Our courts should not act like shady credit agencies.
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« Reply #24 on: May 23, 2020, 11:06:31 AM »

The way to fix problems with American policing begins with dialing back over-criminalization of our statutes.

Crimes should reflect someone having being deprived of a right (life, liberty, property).

Penalties should be proportionate and not never-ending.  Criminal records (in many cases) ought to automatically expire as bankruptcies do if a person is out of custody and commits no new offenses.

Many crimes ought to be civil matters.  Many felonies ought to be misdemeanors.

And, above all, end the War on Drugs.
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