Eva Murry falsely accuses Biden of complimenting her breasts

[wbrocks67]

So can we discuss whether this claim has any validity considering its source or...

This seems like a fringe-left pizza-gate Jacob Wohl type situation right now.

[Progressive Pessimist]

So can we discuss whether this claim has any validity considering its source or...

This seems like a fringe-left pizza-gate Jacob Wohl type situation right now.

Possibly. But we're in a post-truth, feeling before facts world, and have been for years.

[wbrocks67]

So can we discuss whether this claim has any validity considering its source or...

This seems like a fringe-left pizza-gate Jacob Wohl type situation right now.

Possibly. But we're in a post-truth, feeling before facts world, and have been for years.

Well it doesn't help either that you have bad-faith actors on social media like that Young Turks Kyle guy who are ready to amplify any attack that fits their narrative, even if it's something that's not even real

[Progressive Pessimist]

So can we discuss whether this claim has any validity considering its source or...

This seems like a fringe-left pizza-gate Jacob Wohl type situation right now.

Possibly. But we're in a post-truth, feeling before facts world, and have been for years.

Well it doesn't help either that you have bad-faith actors on social media like that Young Turks Kyle guy who are ready to amplify any attack that fits their narrative, even if it's something that's not even real

And therein lies the real problem, as it always seems to be-the internet and how politics works in the age of it.

[morgieb]

Even as someone who is concerned about the Reade allegations, this pretty clearly is a smear.

Even if it did happen, I highly doubt Biden meant it maliciously/sexually.

[Kleine Scheiße]

increasingly nervous

good meme

[wbrocks67]

OK so this came from her FB account originally it looks like, and yeah... there's no way Biden said this to her after knowing she was 14. This whole story sounds fake

https://twitter.com/progmamahustler/status/1256383885430095878/photo/1

[Libertas Vel Mors]

This is stupid. Same bullsh**t as Kavanaugh.

[GeneralMacArthur]

So the niece of Biden's 2008 senate opponent, notoriously wackadoo tea party kook Christine O'Donnell, tells a Bernie-or-Bust blogger that Biden "sexually harassed" her by telling her she was "well endowed", which she interpreted as complimenting her breasts.

This is seriously what we're talking about?  If this actually changes a single person's opinion of Biden, then politics is completely broken.

[Libertas Vel Mors]

So the niece of Biden's 2008 senate opponent, notoriously wackadoo tea party kook Christine O'Donnell, tells a Bernie-or-Bust blogger that Biden "sexually harassed" her by telling her she was "well endowed", which she interpreted as complimenting her breasts.

This is seriously what we're talking about?  If this actually changes a single person's opinion of Biden, then politics is completely broken.

^^^

I am absolutely disgusted to see my side use the same tactics to pillory Biden as dirtbag lefties did to Kavanaugh. Shame on these women.

[Attorney General & PPT Dwarven Dragon]

This is just sad. Oh, look, Tara Reade is accusing Biden of sexual assault. Never mind that sexual assault is a real, horrible thing. Let's belittle it by adding on playground accusations:


"Biden said he liked how big my breasts were"
"Biden said I look nicer when barefoot"
"Biden once wrote an essay about beautiful I am"

I mean, seriously people, just shut up. Just because the Democrats didn't nominate a socialist doesn't give you license to hand the election to a fascist. If you have to oppose Biden, justify it based on the issues or justify it based on Readegate alone, which at least has some basis in a horrible act IF it did indeed happen. Don't make or support these pretty, baseless accusations that are nothing in the category of assault.

I remember when sexual assault was a horrible crime. When saying "I was assaulted" meant you had suffered something horrific. Someone saying "your breasts look nice" does not remotely fall in the same category as actual rape, and pretending it does only belittles and minimizes actual rape victims.

[GoTfan]

Kyle Kulinski tweeted this lmao:

https://twitter.com/KyleKulinski/status/1256296332098224128

Rose Twitter is a cancer

Yes, brought to you by the Democratic Party who enable and normalize Bernie Sanders in 2016 and 2020. That guy is partially responsible for Clinton not consolidating the Democratic base in 2016 to beat Trump.

Trump consolidated the GOP base even after the Access Hollywood tape.

Bernie is not a Democrat and was rejected soundly both times by the majority of the party’s voters. He and the Rose Twitter types are not representative of the party at all. Indeed they seem to hate it more than anyone else.

Also it’s pretty rich for the party to be accused of “enabling” him when his people constantly accuse the party of rigging it against him.

The 2016 Democratic Party platform caved to his demands, it was the most progressive platform, what more does he and his minons want?

I agree. But they’re never gonna be satisfied because it’s not really even about policy for some of them; it’s about a cult of personality around the leader. As long as the leader isn’t in charge, they will think it’s been rigged against him no matter how badly he lost or how many concessions are made to the loser anyway. Biden could adopt all of Bernie’s positions and they’d still hate him. Bernie could adopt all of Biden’s and they’d still love him. The only thing that seems capable of making them turn on him is when he acknowledges the outcome is legitimate and endorses his opponent.

Again, they HATE the Democratic Party more than anyone. Their hate for it is the only thing that surpasses their love for Bernie. That’s why it is indeed pointless for the party to cater to them.

However, it should be acknowledged that MOST of Bernie’s supporters aren’t really represented by the diehard Rose Twitter types either. There’s not much harm in throwing a few bones to the more “pragmatic progressives” in the platform, which doesn’t really matter anyway and if it makes the ones who might actually vote more enthusiastic, then why not? The diehard cultists who won’t vote no matter what and indeed probably want Trump to win are another story.

"I assume some are good people."

[CookieDamage]

So the niece of Biden's 2008 senate opponent, notoriously wackadoo tea party kook Christine O'Donnell, tells a Bernie-or-Bust blogger that Biden "sexually harassed" her by telling her she was "well endowed", which she interpreted as complimenting her breasts.

This is seriously what we're talking about?  If this actually changes a single person's opinion of Biden, then politics is completely broken.

^^^

I am absolutely disgusted to see my side use the same tactics to pillory Biden as dirtbag lefties did to Kavanaugh. Shame on these women.

Except Christine Blasey Ford was credible

[Kleine Scheiße]

Anybody who thinks Ford and Reade are comparable has been filtered from future opinion consideration. Reade has every few years (nowadays, once or so per week) been frequently and loudly inconsistent about, like, basic facts around her own life both related to and independent of this accusation from 27 years ago. Ford had tons of material evidence to prove that her story had basically not changed over 35 years.

Dr. Ford was a credible person with a serious allegation that was never actually investigated, and Tara Reade is an uncredible person with a serious allegation that is being currently vetted in the wide open public view.

I've heard it suggested that Ramirez is a closer parallel here and I'm still going to disagree with that. Maybe the story about the fight on the boat is a good link.

[Brittain33]

Anybody who thinks Ford and Reade are comparable has been filtered from future opinion consideration. Reade has every few years (nowadays, once or so per week) been frequently and loudly inconsistent about, like, basic facts around her own life both related to and independent of this accusation from 27 years ago. Ford had tons of material evidence to prove that her story had basically not changed over 35 years.

Dr. Ford was a credible person with a serious allegation that was never actually investigated, and Tara Reade is an uncredible person with a serious allegation that is being currently vetted in the wide open public view.

I've heard it suggested that Ramirez is a closer parallel here and I'm still going to disagree with that. Maybe the story about the fight on the boat is a good link.

[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

Big giant LOL at red avatars thinking the truth still matters. I guess it was easy to fail to learn the lesson in 2016 because Clinton was just so unlikeable anyway, but it's still a bit silly. You should know that they're going turn nothing into something. You should know that that "something" will become a central issue in the campaign. Where have you been all these years?

One of my biggest concerns going into the primary was that we need, almost more than anything else, a nominee whose campaign can push back against the massive volume of lies and lawbreaking (and looking at Michigan, violence and threats of force) that are going to come from the Banana Republicans as they try and cling to power.

If Biden and his team can't handle this, then we're going to be doomed when the GOP pulls out far worse things, no matter how fake or illegal they are. Just pointing out that they're lies, frauds, and crimes isn't going to be enough.

[Fuzzy Bear]

Paradoxically it seems that having sexual harassment allegations against male candidates in the US don’t seem to work against people in a general election. Look at Trump, WJC, and JFK. I don’t think Republicans running on “Biden is a sexual predator” is a winner among the WWC swing voters. That’s my #hottake

Don’t disagree, but did JFK really have sexual harassment allegations against him while he was alive, let alone before the election? I thought most of that stuff didn’t come out until after his death.

It was not.  JFK's philandering was an open secret during the 1960 campaign, but it was never spoken of by the Press Corps.  J. Edgar Comey Hoover was well aware of this, however, and used it as blackmail to keep his job.

[Fuzzy Bear]

For the millionth time: We should have nominated Bernie.

Republicans would be throwing these same stories at Bernie, or Warren, or Pete, or anyone we nominated. They literally promised to do so in 2018 as revenge for Kavanaugh.

When did they promise to engage in slander and libel?

Or is it slander and libel when a Republican is accused, but "Standing Up For Women!" when is accused?  Do we Believe All Women?  Or do we disbelieve women who accuse Democrats because it's inconvenient and work to actively trash their reputations HONESTLY vet all accusations, and not put the confirming/debunking process solely in the hands of an incredibly biased media?

Keep in mind that I've not DIS-believed Blasey Ford, nor did I support Kavanaugh's confirmation.  Nor have I said that I believe Reade's accusations.  In a Court of Law, neither accusation would stand up.  But in a background interview for any number of sensitive positions, both accusations, and the evidence behind them, would be sufficient grounds to not hire the prospective applicant for law enforcement or any number of positions that would require a Security Clearance.

On this issue, the issue of who do we believe, the Democrats are exposed as having to backtrack on something they presented as axiomatic in 2018.  "Believe All Women"; that was the mantra.  That some Leftist Politician would step up to a mic and say "I believe Dr. Blasey Ford!" with the proper seriousness and go into a melodramatic spiel about victims being silenced and needing vocal advocacy is presented as EVIDENCE, when it is somwhere between ADVOCACY and PROPAGANDA.  Advocacy and Propoganda are not evidence, period.  There WAS evidence that Dr. Blasey Ford was telling the truth.  There was some evidence to place her truthfulness in doubt.  In the end, there really is not enough evidence to meet the Probable Cause standard against Kavanaugh.  But I wouldn't hire Kavanaugh to be a cop or a Federal Prosecutor.

I fail to see, however, how Tara Reade's accusation is any less credible than Dr. Blasey Ford's.  It's certainly in the same general "she said/he said" range, with reasons to believe and reasons to doubt for both.  Neither allegation meets a Probable Cause standard.  The ALLEGED CIRCUMSTANCES of Kavanaugh's alleged acts are more serious, but the alleged circumstances of Biden's alleged acts against Reade do rise to the level of a criminal offense, and were allegedly committed when Biden was a sitting Senator, whereas Kavanaugh's alleged actions were committed when he was 17 years old, not even a legal adult.

Perhaps what I would like to see is not Democrats throwing Biden to the wolves.  Biden deserves to be treated fairly, but so does Kavanaugh.  Kavanaugh is treated like a Sex Offender, whereas Biden is treated as a Victim of a Wrongful Accuser.  That's not right.  If we're going to consider the allegations against Kavanaugh as legitimate and the proper course of action to be to keep digging until there is enough evidence to impeach him, why should we do less in regard to allegations with the same level of overall credibility leveled against a man who, at this writing, is the person most likely to be President on January 21, 2021?

[Bomster]

Everything is hell... is this what we deserve? There's so much disagreement and discord right now because of this, it's such a horrible topic... now Joe Biden will be seen as a creep and a predator, regardless of the truth. Now MeToo will be seen as a political ploy. God... it's all going to hell. Life is but a cruel joke...

[GeneralMacArthur]

Everything is hell... is this what we deserve? There's so much disagreement and discord right now because of this, it's such a horrible topic... now Joe Biden will be seen as a creep and a predator, regardless of the truth. Now MeToo will be seen as a political ploy. God... it's all going to hell. Life is but a cruel joke...

Read this

https://medium.com/me/stats/post/27d3ca14978

[Fuzzy Bear]

Anybody who thinks Ford and Reade are comparable has been filtered from future opinion consideration. Reade has every few years (nowadays, once or so per week) been frequently and loudly inconsistent about, like, basic facts around her own life both related to and independent of this accusation from 27 years ago. Ford had tons of material evidence to prove that her story had basically not changed over 35 years.

Dr. Ford was a credible person with a serious allegation that was never actually investigated, and Tara Reade is an uncredible person with a serious allegation that is being currently vetted in the wide open public view.

I've heard it suggested that Ramirez is a closer parallel here and I'm still going to disagree with that. Maybe the story about the fight on the boat is a good link.

The highlighted part is a slick use of words.  Dr. Ford's allegation has never been investigated, but it has certainly been "vetted", and continues to be "vetted".  Tara Reade's investigation has also never been investigated; it's being vetted without investigation as we speak.

[BudgieForce]

Oh, hey guys. Looks like Biden wasn't even at the Dinner where this situation happened.

https://mobile.twitter.com/SashaPezenik/status/1256779435652546563

[JerryArkansas]

What the actual hell.

[ON Progressive]

Oh, hey guys. Looks like Biden wasn't even at the Dinner where this situation happened.

https://mobile.twitter.com/SashaPezenik/status/1256779435652546563

What a pathetic and disgusting smear.

[JerryArkansas]

Mods, can you change the title since we know this one for sure is false.