S.20.2-5: Daylight Savings Time Amendment (Failed)

[Senator-elect Spark]

Introducing another constitutional amendment:

Daylight Savings Time Amendment

The following changes will be made to the Southern Constitution:

All references in the Southern Constitution to "Eastern Standard Time" or "EST" are amended to "Eastern Daylight Time" or "EDT".

Sponsor: MB

Debate to last 48 hours.

[Dr. MB]

This makes southern elections start and end at the same time federal elections do during daylight savings time. It’s confused plenty of people for example YT and SlippingJimmy accidentally voted early last election. All the other regions as well as the federal government have done this.

[Senator-elect Spark]

Motion for a final vote. Objection period shall last 24 hours.

[S019]

You can't vote on a bill immediately, you need to open an objection period first


"The presiding officer shall open a vote if no other member of the Chamber of Delegates objects within 24 hours of the call for a vote."

-----from the Rules Package

[Deep Dixieland Senator, Muad'dib (OSR MSR)]

You can't vote on a bill immediately, you need to open an objection period first


"The presiding officer shall open a vote if no other member of the Chamber of Delegates objects within 24 hours of the call for a vote."

-----from the Rules Package

Suburban New Jerseyan Carpetbagger, how many times do I need to tell you to stick to your own jurisdiction? Are you aware of the following?

The presiding officer may unilaterally suspend any section of these rules at any time, unless another Delegate objects. If two Delegates object, suspending the rules shall require the consent of a majority of sitting Delegates.

emphasis mine

Votes have been called early before, but as a matter of course general procedure should be followed. As I said voting this early is not be without precedent, as can be seen here. I'm sure most would agree that the current context doesn't warrant such an action at this time.

[S019]

A vote should have been opened on this days ago.

[Senator-elect Spark]

Final vote. 48 hours

[Senator-elect Spark]

Nay

[Senator-elect Spark]

The Nays have it. This bill fails.

[reagente]

The Nays have it. This bill fails.

There should have been a PM about this vote being opened. I wasn't aware that the bill was opened.

However, I don't think its necessary to hold a revote on this. I would have voted No, so the outcome would not have been changed.

[Dr. MB]

Nay

Nay

The Nays have it. This bill fails.

There should have been a PM about this vote being opened. I wasn't aware that the bill was opened.

However, I don't think its necessary to hold a revote on this. I would have voted No, so the outcome would not have been changed.

Anyone care to explain why?

[Former President tack50]

Is 0-2 enough of a quorum to even consider the bill failed?

[Senator-elect Spark]

Is 0-2 enough of a quorum to even consider the bill failed?

That is an interesting question. Do not believe it met quorum. But the bill would have failed regardless.

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

Is 0-2 enough of a quorum to even consider the bill failed?

That is an interesting question. Do not believe it met quorum.

There was a vote on a measure when Mr. R was speaker that failed because he voted in favor and I voted against (and the chamber might have been even bigger back then). Precedent would suggest that therefore quorom is not a consideration.

[tmthforu94]

This seemed reasonable? A constitutional amendment fails after absolutely no debate or discussion. Today is a sad moment for democracy in The South.

[Dr. MB]

This seemed reasonable? A constitutional amendment fails after absolutely no debate or discussion. Today is a sad moment for democracy in The South.

Yeah exactly. I don’t quite get not aligning federal elections with regional ones. All it does is  confuse people.

[Deep Dixieland Senator, Muad'dib (OSR MSR)]

This seemed reasonable?

You don't seem sure about that.

This seemed reasonable? A constitutional amendment fails after absolutely no debate or discussion. Today is a sad moment for democracy in The South.

Yeah exactly. I don't quite get not aligning federal elections with regional ones. All it does is  confuse people.

This is one area where it absolutely makes sense to align with the Federal government. Why did this have so little debate? Well there is a stench of carpetbagging as can be seen here:

A vote should have been opened on this days ago.

[tmthforu94]

Muaddib, you know I am anti-S019's antics here just as much as you and everyone else, but that doesn't give a good excuse to vote down a perfectly reasonable amendment. Also not a good excuse for others to stay silent! It is actually quite sad that a Lincoln representative has been more active in discussions this session than some in our own region. The same can be said for struggling Fremont, where S019 has been more active in their body than some. Certainly inappropriate for him to continuously meddle in procedure, but also very troublesome what is happening here!

[Deep Dixieland Senator, Muad'dib (OSR MSR)]

Tmth, I think it makes sense to have the election times line up. The end user experience for having this pass is in my opinion the main reason that this should have been passed. You and I agree on a number of things and respectfully disagree on a few others. I agree that it is sad that once again we seem to be doomed to having an inactive chamber. However, had a certain individual not suck his unwanted nose in to this esteemed chamber, the deputy may not have started a vote while a delegate was on still on a LOA. Ironically YT was the first to vote. There was no regional Labor presence in this debate other than the Governor who was also the sponsor and none whatsoever in the vote.

The are a number of questions this brings up;
1. Why was there no debate from the chamber on this?
2. Why was there no notification of a vote via DM?
3. Why are all delegates providing a lack of activity in general? (YT on a LoA is understandable)
4. What can be done in the short to medium term to improve activity?

[tmthforu94]

10 days and we still have no answers as to why this failed.

[S019]

10 days and we still have no answers as to why this failed.

Maybe members should be messaged before a vote, as only two voted.

[Deep Dixieland Senator, Muad'dib (OSR MSR)]

Maybe members should be messaged before a vote, as only two voted.

2. Why was there no notification of a vote via DM?

GO AWAY! Go and do your Job in Your Own Region! Why do you STILL not have a legislation noticeboard for Lincoln? Why don't you go and make that and you know do your job? Do you lack the ability to comprehend the written word? Or the ability to know when your "contributions" are not wanted?

[S019]

Maybe members should be messaged before a vote, as only two voted.

2. Why was there no notification of a vote via DM?

GO AWAY! Go and do your Job in Your Own Region! Why do you STILL not have a legislation noticeboard for Lincoln? Why don't you go and make that and you know do your job? Do you lack the ability to comprehend the written word? Or the ability to know when your "contributions" are not wanted?

The noticeboard was updated today...

[Deep Dixieland Senator, Muad'dib (OSR MSR)]

The noticeboard was updated today...

Indeed and now it looks better

A Better Looking Amendment Tracker
L 7:01 to L.C. 6.19 - S019 (Added to Bill)
L 7:02 to L.C. 6.22 - S019 on Behalf of the Governor (Added to Bill)
L 7:03 to L.C. 7.5   - S019 (Rejected)
L 7:04 to L.C. 7.4   - gracile (Added to Bill)
L 7:05 to L.C. 7.4   - S019 (Added to Bill)
L 7:06 to L.C. 7.4   - S019 (Added to Bill)
L 7:07 to L.C. 7.6   - S019 (Added to Bill)
L 7:08 to L.C. 7.4   - S019 (Added to Bill)
L 7:09 to L.C. 7.6   - S019 (Added to Bill)
L 7:10 to L.C. 7.7   - S019 (Added to Bill)
L 7:10 to L.C. 7.6   - S019 (Added to Bill)

Bless Y'All from the South

[Senator-elect Spark]

10 days and we still have no answers as to why this failed.

The delegates were not PM'ed prior to the vote. I have started doing this since this bill failed. Would also like to add that the South does not have to conform to the federal poll closing times.