Italian American vote

[King of Kensington]

I do think there's a distinctive Italian American vote.  I don't think there's an Irish vote.  I think they vote how you'd expect based on educational attainment, religiosity, region.  Of course there are so few places where you can really isolate an "Irish vote" outside of Massachusetts.

[TheDeadFlagBlues]

Based on reading the posts of Keystone Phil, any old hand on the forum would tell you that the Italian-Americans of Philadelphia were extremely Democratic until Trump came around, as he was constantly whining about his neighbors, friends and family voting for Obama in spite of their racism, which he believed would destroy him in Philly.

[ꙮ]

I'm not sure how distinctive the Italian-American vote is up here anymore, but Italians certainly still make up an outsized portion of Utica's politicians. 5/10 members of the city council are Italian-American (3D-2R). Even that's down some, after the 2017 election it was 8/10. The mayor is Italian (D), the County Executive (R*) is Italian, and the County DA is Italian (D). In fact, every mayor of Utica since 1967 has been Italian, excluding local populist hero Ed Hanna’s 8 years 1973-1977 & 1995-2000.

*Anthony Picente, the county executive, really is a RINO. He endorsed Andrew Cuomo in past elections and doesn't have many recognizably Republican policies. In his last election in 2019, the Democrat was practically running to his right.

[Roll Roons]

I'm not sure how distinctive the Italian-American vote is up here anymore, but Italians certainly still make up an outsized portion of Utica's politicians. 5/10 members of the city council are Italian-American (3D-2R). Even that's down some, after the 2017 election it was 8/10. The mayor is Italian (D), the County Executive (R*) is Italian, and the County DA is Italian (D).

*Anthony Picente, the county executive, really is a RINO. He endorsed Andrew Cuomo in past elections and doesn't have many recognizably Republican policies. In his last election in 2019, the Democrat was practically running to his right.

I remember I saw a theory that Brindisi overperformed Biden by as much as he did in part because of his Italian name.

[ꙮ]

I'm not sure how distinctive the Italian-American vote is up here anymore, but Italians certainly still make up an outsized portion of Utica's politicians. 5/10 members of the city council are Italian-American (3D-2R). Even that's down some, after the 2017 election it was 8/10. The mayor is Italian (D), the County Executive (R*) is Italian, and the County DA is Italian (D).

*Anthony Picente, the county executive, really is a RINO. He endorsed Andrew Cuomo in past elections and doesn't have many recognizably Republican policies. In his last election in 2019, the Democrat was practically running to his right.

I remember I saw a theory that Brindisi overperformed Biden by as much as he did in part because of his Italian name.

Tenney also was perceived as being anti-Italian, after insinuating that Brindisi was having the mafia threaten her staffers. Really a 200 iq move when the largest city in the district is one of the most Italian areas of the US outside of the NYC suburbs.

[LabourJersey]

There is something of an Italian-American vote in pockets of the Northeast, but mostly it doesn't exist due to assimilation.

Lots of Italian-Americans these days are what Tony Soprano would call "White Bread Wops" - People whose parents assimilated, moved to the suburbs, etc so they themselves live their lives identically to that of other educated upper-middle class people.

[King of Kensington]

Looking at the plurality-Italian towns in suburban Rochester:

East Rochester  58-39 D
Gates  52-46 D
Greece  50-48 R
Webster  51-47 D

[Suburbia]

Italian Americans are 50%-60% R.......60%-70% elsewhere

They are not a rock ribbed GOP base, if they were, NJ/NY/CT would be red states.

[King of Kensington]

White Catholic vote

Massachusetts  56-42 D
Rhode Island  53-47 R
Connecticut  55-44 R
New York  60-39 R
New Jersey 58-42 R
Pennsylvania  57-42 R

[lfromnj]

https://twitter.com/SidKhurana3607/status/1628239516824662020/photo/1

NE Ohio is also fairly Italian. Especially the Mahoning valley area but also the Cleveland suburbs. Geagua County gives me LI /Putnam county vibes as well. It has a MHI of 90k and a Bachelor's rate of nearly 40% yet Trump did the same as Romney 2012 here.

[King of Kensington]

https://twitter.com/SidKhurana3607/status/1628239516824662020/photo/1

NE Ohio is also fairly Italian. Especially the Mahoning valley area but also the Cleveland suburbs. Geagua County gives me LI /Putnam county vibes as well. It has a MHI of 90k and a Bachelor's rate of nearly 40% yet Trump did the same as Romney 2012 here.

Chester Township is 30% Italian.  City/township level voting data isn't available for Ohio on Atlas though.

[King of Kensington]

This county-level analysis from 2016 put the Italian American vote at 52-42 R.

https://talkelections.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=540185.msg8988757#msg8988757

It comes out lower than the "WASP" vote but nationally that's probably true. While there are some very conservative Italian enclaves in the NYC area, overall they're more urban and concentrated in liberal regions of the country.  That's likely true even if WASPs in the Northeast vote to the left of Italians now.

[Bismarck]

White Catholic vote

Massachusetts  56-42 D
Rhode Island  53-47 R
Connecticut  55-44 R
New York  60-39 R
New Jersey 54-45 R
Pennsylvania  57-42 R

Isn’t Connecticut one of the only states where white Catholics are more Republican than white Protestants?

[King of Kensington]

Isn’t Connecticut one of the only states where white Catholics are more Republican than white Protestants?

Yes it is.  A lot of Romney-Clinton-Biden voters among them I suspect.

[King of Kensington]

I just checked and corrected the New Jersey figure.  NJ white Catholics voted 58-42 R.  A 6 point gap between NY and NJ seemed off.

[Roll Roons]

White Catholic vote

Massachusetts  56-42 D
Rhode Island  53-47 R
Connecticut  55-44 R
New York  60-39 R
New Jersey 54-45 R
Pennsylvania  57-42 R

Isn’t Connecticut one of the only states where white Catholics are more Republican than white Protestants?

Probably all of the Northeast aside from PA, really.

[King of Kensington]

NYS white Protestants went 66% R.  But they disproportionately live upstate and in rural areas.

[King of Kensington]

AP Votecast survey.

[King of Kensington]

In Massachusetts, white Protestants narrowly went 50-48 R.  But there are more whites of no religion than white Protestants in the state, so it seems like a lot of descendants of New England Yankees are no longer identifying with a religion at all. 

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/11/03/us/elections/ap-polls-massachusetts.html