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« Reply #5000 on: August 01, 2020, 02:49:10 am »

Anyone can easily get or make a cloth mask

A face shield or goggles are different.
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« Reply #5001 on: August 01, 2020, 07:13:09 am »
« Edited: August 01, 2020, 07:17:08 am by Calthrina950 »

Everything is fine.



You know what the most depressing thing about this is? Every state that is rated green or yellow is a state that already had an extremely severe outbreak and death count or is extremely rural.

No state with a significant population center has been remotely successful at containing this.

And there is very little distinction, on this map, between states with a Democratic or a Republican Governor (Vermont, one of only three states where the situation is trending in a "positive" direction, has a Republican Governor in Phil Scott). Colorado, for example, is rated among the states where the situation is worsening, and it has worsened considerably over the past month. It's been two weeks now since Polis made masks mandatory here, and it doesn't seem to be having an effect as of yet. So we'll have to see what happens going forward.

But what this map tells us is that this country has failed in containing the virus, and at this point, we may all have to go through a "New York" situation before we can possibly start on the record of recovery. And that will mean hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of more cases and tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands, of more deaths between now and November.
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« Reply #5002 on: August 01, 2020, 11:31:35 am »

This is only peripherally related, but it's interesting:


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« Reply #5003 on: August 01, 2020, 01:31:32 pm »

How many places in the U.S. have started having festivals again? About a month ago, I read that a festival in Pennsylvania went on like normal. A week ago, we had what was supposedly a small festival here, but nobody showed up. Riverfest is a festival in Cincinnati that takes place each Labor Day weekend, but that's already been canceled.

As of now, the Kentucky State Fair will still be taking place in late August.
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« Reply #5004 on: August 01, 2020, 01:44:08 pm »

How many places in the U.S. have started having festivals again? About a month ago, I read that a festival in Pennsylvania went on like normal. A week ago, we had what was supposedly a small festival here, but nobody showed up. Riverfest is a festival in Cincinnati that takes place each Labor Day weekend, but that's already been canceled.

As of now, the Kentucky State Fair will still be taking place in late August.

here in TN we have. i'm so happy about it.
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« Reply #5005 on: August 01, 2020, 01:44:52 pm »

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« Reply #5006 on: August 01, 2020, 02:11:20 pm »

From the article linked in the tweet above:

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Because he had been at a hearing on Tuesday with Texas Republican Rep. Louie Gohmert, who tested positive for coronavirus on Wednesday, "out of precaution, Grijalva went into self-isolation on Wednesday until he got a test," Nolan said.

In a statement Saturday, Grijalva slammed Republicans who don't wear masks in the building, citing the events of the week.

"While I cannot blame anyone directly for this, this week has shown that there are some Members of Congress who fail to take this crisis seriously," he said. "Numerous Republican members routinely strut around the Capitol without a mask to selfishly make a political statement at the expense of their colleagues, staff, and their families."
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« Reply #5007 on: August 01, 2020, 04:18:17 pm »

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« Reply #5008 on: August 01, 2020, 04:28:01 pm »

A few weeks from now, there’s a good chance that those saying that Europe did so much better then the US at controlling the virus are going to look like Ron DeSantis bragging about how Florida responded better New York.

Spain has gone from averaging 300 cases/day a month ago to 2000 cases/day, and it looks like its second wave has just started growing.  Belgium, which already had the highest death rate in the world, has grown from 100 cases/day to 600 in the same time frame.  Even Germany has seen their cases double in the past two weeks.

Lockdowns do not prevent the spread of the virus, they just delay it.
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« Reply #5009 on: August 01, 2020, 05:47:27 pm »

A few weeks from now, there’s a good chance that those saying that Europe did so much better then the US at controlling the virus are going to look like Ron DeSantis bragging about how Florida responded better New York.

Spain has gone from averaging 300 cases/day a month ago to 2000 cases/day, and it looks like its second wave has just started growing.  Belgium, which already had the highest death rate in the world, has grown from 100 cases/day to 600 in the same time frame.  Even Germany has seen their cases double in the past two weeks.

Lockdowns do not prevent the spread of the virus, they just delay it.

Spain has more than twice the population of Florida and yet only a fifth of the cases.
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« Reply #5010 on: August 01, 2020, 05:49:07 pm »



He is taking this crisis so seriously now! Those press conferences sure are doing the trick!
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« Reply #5011 on: August 01, 2020, 05:52:22 pm »

By Trump's logic, if there were fewer pregnancy tests, there would be fewer pregnancies.
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« Reply #5012 on: August 01, 2020, 05:57:30 pm »

Florida is such a nightmare right now, and it's obviously about to get much worse. When will it be enough? Is there any point at which DeSantis develops a conscience and do another lockdown (it is so clearly needed)?
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« Reply #5013 on: August 01, 2020, 06:03:51 pm »



He is taking this crisis so seriously now! Those press conferences sure are doing the trick!

I can't even imagine the internal conversation that happens in someone's head when they see Fauci testify, read Trump's tweet, and determine that the former host of the Celebrity Apprentice is a more trustworthy authority on public health. The sheer brainsickness just blows my mind.
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« Reply #5014 on: August 01, 2020, 06:20:46 pm »

From the article linked in the tweet above:

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Because he had been at a hearing on Tuesday with Texas Republican Rep. Louie Gohmert, who tested positive for coronavirus on Wednesday, "out of precaution, Grijalva went into self-isolation on Wednesday until he got a test," Nolan said.

In a statement Saturday, Grijalva slammed Republicans who don't wear masks in the building, citing the events of the week.

"While I cannot blame anyone directly for this, this week has shown that there are some Members of Congress who fail to take this crisis seriously," he said. "Numerous Republican members routinely strut around the Capitol without a mask to selfishly make a political statement at the expense of their colleagues, staff, and their families."

It is embarrassing, and frustrating, that many of the leading figures in our own government haven't been taking this seriously. They have set a bad example for so many Americans to do the same. I fully agree with what Rep. Grijalva says here. And he's not the first member to criticize his colleagues for not wearing a mask. Rep. Jim McGovern of Massachusetts did so in a speech on the House floor a few months ago.
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« Reply #5015 on: August 01, 2020, 06:31:23 pm »

A few weeks from now, there’s a good chance that those saying that Europe did so much better then the US at controlling the virus are going to look like Ron DeSantis bragging about how Florida responded better New York.

Spain has gone from averaging 300 cases/day a month ago to 2000 cases/day, and it looks like its second wave has just started growing.  Belgium, which already had the highest death rate in the world, has grown from 100 cases/day to 600 in the same time frame.  Even Germany has seen their cases double in the past two weeks.

Lockdowns do not prevent the spread of the virus, they just delay it.

Spain has more than twice the population of Florida and yet only a fifth of the cases.

Sure, and Florida could have said the exact same thing to New Jersey in May.

The problem in Spain isn’t even the total number of cases right now.  It is that after everyone had hailed them as a model response in contrast to the US, they’ve seen their cases double every week for the last three or four weeks.
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« Reply #5016 on: August 01, 2020, 06:55:21 pm »

A few weeks from now, there’s a good chance that those saying that Europe did so much better then the US at controlling the virus are going to look like Ron DeSantis bragging about how Florida responded better New York.

Spain has gone from averaging 300 cases/day a month ago to 2000 cases/day, and it looks like its second wave has just started growing.  Belgium, which already had the highest death rate in the world, has grown from 100 cases/day to 600 in the same time frame.  Even Germany has seen their cases double in the past two weeks.

Lockdowns do not prevent the spread of the virus, they just delay it.

Spain has more than twice the population of Florida and yet only a fifth of the cases.

Sure, and Florida could have said the exact same thing to New Jersey in May.

The problem in Spain isn’t even the total number of cases right now.  It is that after everyone had hailed them as a model response in contrast to the US, they’ve seen their cases double every week for the last three or four weeks.

I have said it before that DeSantis and the other southern governors had the privilege of seeing the mistakes made in New York/New Jersey and learn from them. Instead of that they tried to curry favor with Trump, ignored all warnings by the experts, and managed to make matters even worse.
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« Reply #5017 on: August 01, 2020, 07:00:03 pm »

A few weeks from now, there’s a good chance that those saying that Europe did so much better then the US at controlling the virus are going to look like Ron DeSantis bragging about how Florida responded better New York.

Spain has gone from averaging 300 cases/day a month ago to 2000 cases/day, and it looks like its second wave has just started growing.  Belgium, which already had the highest death rate in the world, has grown from 100 cases/day to 600 in the same time frame.  Even Germany has seen their cases double in the past two weeks.

Lockdowns do not prevent the spread of the virus, they just delay it.

Spain has more than twice the population of Florida and yet only a fifth of the cases.

Sure, and Florida could have said the exact same thing to New Jersey in May.

The problem in Spain isn’t even the total number of cases right now.  It is that after everyone had hailed them as a model response in contrast to the US, they’ve seen their cases double every week for the last three or four weeks.

I have said it before that DeSantis and the other southern governors had the privilege of seeing the mistakes made in New York/New Jersey and learn from them. Instead of that they tried to curry favor with Trump, ignored all warnings by the experts, and managed to make matters even worse.

Ok, but in that case Spain had the opportunity to see the mistake being made by all these places, including their own very drastic lockdown, and their cases are still doubling every week as of today.
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« Reply #5018 on: August 01, 2020, 07:05:58 pm »

Ok, but in that case Spain had the opportunity to see the mistake being made by all these places, including their own very drastic lockdown, and their cases are still doubling every week as of today.

It was inevitable for Spain and other tourism-dependent nations to experience a surge the moment they opened their borders (the same thing happens here too). The thing is that unlike DeSantis our governments are acknowledging the situation and in collaboration with the health experts are taking measures to contain the flare-ups.
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« Reply #5019 on: August 01, 2020, 08:25:05 pm »

The updated numbers for COVID-19 in the U.S. are in for 8/1 per: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

I'm keeping track of these updates daily and updating at the end of the day, whenever all states finish reporting for that day.

New - Substituting the Δ Change metric as of 7/13 on dates starting from 7/5:
ΔW Change: Comparisons of Weekly Day-to-day Growth or Decline of COVID-19 Spread/Deaths.
  • IE: Comparing the numbers to the same day of last week, are we flattening the curve enough?

Σ Increase: A day's contribution to overall percentage growth of COVID-19 cases/deaths.
  • IE: What's the overall change in the total?

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7/19: <Sunday>
  • Cases: 3,896,855 (+63,584 | ΔW Change: ↑8.97% | Σ Increase: ↑1.66%)
  • Deaths: 143,269 (+392 | ΔW Change: ↑3.43% | Σ Increase: ↑0.27%)

7/20: <M>
  • Cases: 3,961,429 (+64,574 | ΔW Change: ↓1.40% | Σ Increase: ↑1.66%)
  • Deaths: 143,834 (+565 | ΔW Change: ↑21.51% | Σ Increase: ↑0.39%)

7/21: <T>
  • Cases: 4,028,569 (+67,140 | ΔW Change: ↑2.36% | Σ Increase: ↑1.69%)
  • Deaths: 144,953 (+1,119 | ΔW Change: ↑24.85% | Σ Increase: ↑0.78%)

7/22: <W>
  • Cases: 4,100,875 (+72,306 | ΔW Change: ↑0.89% | Σ Increase: ↑1.79%)
  • Deaths: 146,183 (+1,230 | ΔW Change: ↑23.37% | Σ Increase: ↑0.85%)

7/23: <Ž>
  • Cases: 4,169,991 (+69,116 | ΔW Change: ↓11.70% | Σ Increase: ↑1.69%)
  • Deaths: 147,333 (+1,150 | ΔW Change: ↑17.59% | Σ Increase: ↑0.79%)

7/24: <F>
  • Cases: 4,248,327 (+78,336 | ΔW Change: ↑4.47% | Σ Increase: ↑1.88%)
  • Deaths: 148,490 (+1,157 | ΔW Change: ↑22.30% | Σ Increase: ↑0.79%)

7/25: <S>
  • Cases: 4,315,678 (+67,351 | ΔW Change: ↑6.47% | Σ Increase: ↑1.59%)
  • Deaths: 149,395 (+905 | ΔW Change: ↑11.32% | Σ Increase: ↑0.61%)

7/26: <Sunday>
  • Cases: 4,371,839 (+56,151 | ΔW Change: ↓11.24% | Σ Increase: ↑1.30%)
  • Deaths: 149,849 (+454 | ΔW Change: ↑15.82% | Σ Increase: ↑0.30%)

7/27: <M>
  • Cases: 4,433,392 (+61,553 | ΔW Change: ↓4.68% | Σ Increase: ↑1.41%)
  • Deaths: 150,444 (+595 | ΔW Change: ↑5.31% | Σ Increase: ↑0.40%)

7/28: <T>
  • Cases: 4,498,343 (+64,951 | ΔW Change: ↓3.26% | Σ Increase: ↑1.47%)
  • Deaths: 152,320 (+1,876 | ΔW Change: ↑67.65% | Σ Increase: ↑1.25%)

7/29: <W>
  • Cases: 4,568,037 (+69,694 | ΔW Change: ↓3.61% | Σ Increase: ↑1.55%)
  • Deaths: 153,840 (+1,520 | ΔW Change: ↑23.58% | Σ Increase: ↑1.00%)

7/30: <Ž>
  • Cases: 4,634,985 (+66,948 | ΔW Change: ↓3.14% | Σ Increase: ↑1.47%)
  • Deaths: 155,285 (+1,445 | ΔW Change: ↑25.65% | Σ Increase: ↑0.94%)

7/31 (Yesterday): <F>
  • Cases: 4,705,889 (+70,904 | ΔW Change: ↓9.49% | Σ Increase: ↑1.53%)
  • Deaths: 156,747 (+1,462 | ΔW Change: ↑26.36% | Σ Increase: ↑0.94%)

8/1 (Today): <S>
  • Cases: 4,764,318 (+58,429 | ΔW Change: ↓13.25% | Σ Increase: ↑1.24%)
  • Deaths: 157,898 (+1,151 | ΔW Change: ↑27.18% | Σ Increase: ↑0.73%)
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« Reply #5020 on: August 01, 2020, 08:44:50 pm »



Trump retweeted this, and I don't know if it's to play to his narrative that Europe isn't doing better than us, or if he's praising this crowd.
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« Reply #5021 on: August 02, 2020, 01:08:33 am »

Florida is such a nightmare right now, and it's obviously about to get much worse. When will it be enough? Is there any point at which DeSantis develops a conscience and do another lockdown (it is so clearly needed)?

It depends on what you mean by worse. In Florida, new cases peaked about two weeks ago and hospitalizations peaked about a week ago. I think we've got another week or two before they hit the peak in deaths though. They could still see some benefits from a lockdown now, but it would be a very strange and disproportionate response considering they didn't do one a month ago when it could have helped a lot more.
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« Reply #5022 on: August 02, 2020, 01:15:20 am »

The new cases started going down as soon as they switched from the CDC to HHS. I'm not saying there's a conspiracy or anything but if people wanted to make one there's plenty of fodder.
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« Reply #5023 on: August 02, 2020, 10:33:42 am »



Trump retweeted this, and I don't know if it's to play to his narrative that Europe isn't doing better than us, or if he's praising this crowd.

Well, "the crowd" would - at least in part - be Trumpists in the U.S., because the whole anti-lockdown movement here is heavily intersecting with the anti-immigration folk and conspiracy theorists. Maybe Trump is trying to so: Nobody is wearing a mask and practices social distancing in Europe, so nobody should feel compelled to do so in America either. What he'd omit is that the participants in yesterday's Berlin protests are largely seen as fringe lunatics by the rest of our society (or at least the majority of it).
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« Reply #5024 on: August 02, 2020, 10:42:53 am »

Then how come among people I know personally, it's always the more left-wing ones who are anti-lockdown?
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