COVID-19 Megathread 5: The Trumps catch COVID-19

[AtorBoltox]

The GOP being 'pro-life' was always a lie

[Del Tachi]

Updated data from CDC show that more Americans over the age of 85 have died of COVID-19 than those under age 65.  The risks to young people are terribly overstated by the sensationalist media. 

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

Updated data from CDC show that more Americans over the age of 85 have died of COVID-19 than those under age 65.  The risks to young people are terribly overstated by the sensationalist media. 

from the beginning the media should have focused on the risk to seniors. But no, lets do what gets us the best ratings!

[Grassroots]

We need to start accepting the possibility that a vaccine won't be here until 2022.

I'm not saying that's going to happen and I'm not saying it's likely, but that is a very real possibility.

There will be a second outbreak / wave unless international borders stay closed. Even then it could happen anyway.

Even though most experts are expecting one by Spring of 2021? The author here argues that coronaviruses are hard to make a vaccine for. Sure, but unlike SARS and MERS, they didn't have over 70 independent vaccines being tested at once.

you need to stop with the fear mongering dude.

[Grassroots]

Of all past epidemics/pandemics in world history, which do you all think comes as the closest analogy to what we are going through now?  

Probably somewhere between the Spanish Flu and the Asian Flu.
If I had to make a scale out of 5, Covid-19 would be in the middle.
5: Black Death/N.A Smallpox
4: Spanish Flu
3: Covid-19
2: Asian Flu/Polio
1. Swine Flu/Ebola

I don't think Ebola belongs on the same scale, as it has never caused a true pandemic, only localized epidemics (and it's ill-suited to cause one in most developed countries based on how it spreads).  Also, the gaps between these are not consistent.  The Black Death (which some believe may have actually been an Ebola-like illness) would be a 100+ if the Spanish Flu was a 4.  I think it's hard to comprehend an epidemic truly killing 1/3 to 1/2 of the population- because nothing like that has been seen since the Black Death (except smallpox in the New World).

Bro what? The Black Death was caused by Plague, a disease which is caused by the bacterium Yersinia Pestis. That's nothing like Ebola, which is a virus.

Some researchers have called that into question and believe that its spread, mortality, and symptoms were more in line with a viral hemorrhagic fever than the plague.

https://www.nature.com/scitable/blog/viruses101/could_the_black_death_actually/
https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/black-death-was-caused-by-the-ebola-virus-9242867.html
https://abcnews.go.com/Health/story?id=117310&page=1

There are a large amount of records which clearly state the existence of buboes and necrosis on victims, which are two symptoms in which plague is entirely known for.

[Grassroots]

It looks like yesterday's bump was almost entirely due to California, which dumped a bunch at once. Almost every other state saw a decline in new cases yesterday, including New York, which is at it's lowest number of new cases since mid-March.

[SnowLabrador]

If the Democrats don't use their leverage to make sure universal vote-by-mail is in the next stimulus package, then the 2020 elections cannot be held.

[Joe Biden is your president. Deal with it.]

The fear mongering is off the roof in the last few posts lol

[Grassroots]

Italy now at it's lowest numbers since early March.

Spain now at it's lowest numbers since early March.

Germany now at it's lowest numbers since early March.

Japan's case rates are currently freefalling.

On the flip side, some countries that were late to the game, such as Russia and Turkey, are now seeing case surges.

[JA]

Even though my mom and sister live with a severely immunocompromised person with chronic disabling health conditions, work at nursing homes, and were approved by their employers for temporary leave, they were both still denied unemployment benefits. Incredible.

[Grassroots]

If the Democrats don't use their leverage to make sure universal vote-by-mail is in the next stimulus package, then the 2020 elections cannot be held.

This assumes that we will be in pandemic mode by November, which is unlikely unless a second surge happens by then.

[Fmr. Gov. NickG]

Updated data from CDC show that more Americans over the age of 85 have died of COVID-19 than those under age 65.  The risks to young people are terribly overstated by the sensationalist media.  

How does it show that 0 people under 1 year old have died?  Weren’t there two cases of newborns who died in the national news a couple weeks ago?

It’s only showing 17,000 deaths total when the US had about 40,000 covid reported covid deaths as of April 18.

[The Dowager Mod]

Updated data from CDC show that more Americans over the age of 85 have died of COVID-19 than those under age 65.  The risks to young people are terribly overstated by the sensationalist media. 

It is a shame that an 86 year olds life means less to you people than the life of a 55 year old.

[wbrocks67]

Italy now at it's lowest numbers since early March.

Spain now at it's lowest numbers since early March.

Germany now at it's lowest numbers since early March.

Japan's case rates are currently freefalling.

On the flip side, some countries that were late to the game, such as Russia and Turkey, are now seeing case surges.

Pennslyvania just recorded its highest # of deaths in a single day (360)

[wbrocks67]

New Jersey-ians approve of Murphy and all of the measures that he's put in place. Shocked... looks like the majority of people actually WANT to keep distancing until its safe!

Gov. Murphy approval: 72/21 (+51)
Trump job approval: 41/56 (-15)

https://www.monmouth.edu/polling-institute/reports/monmouthpoll_nj_042120/

[Gass3268]

https://twitter.com/ZekeJMiller/status/1252633837357748225?s=20

[Tintrlvr]

New York new cases dropped again today by a significant margin, again the lowest total since March 21 (down by about 600 cases since yesterday).

I'm a bit concerned that there has also been a drop in new tests in New York that may be contributing to the drop in new reported cases, although I suspect that has to do with rapidly dropping hospitalization rates and the fact that New York had basically stopped testing outside of hospitals as of a few weeks ago, so it's still good news, although the state should be taking the opportunity to ramp up testing outside of severe cases.

[Grassroots]

Italy now at it's lowest numbers since early March.

Spain now at it's lowest numbers since early March.

Germany now at it's lowest numbers since early March.

Japan's case rates are currently freefalling.

On the flip side, some countries that were late to the game, such as Russia and Turkey, are now seeing case surges.

Pennslyvania just recorded its highest # of deaths in a single day (360)

My data shows me that the most deaths in a day in PA from covid was on the 14th.

Today, PA reached it's lowest new case numbers since March.

[Tintrlvr]

Italy now at it's lowest numbers since early March.

Spain now at it's lowest numbers since early March.

Germany now at it's lowest numbers since early March.

Japan's case rates are currently freefalling.

On the flip side, some countries that were late to the game, such as Russia and Turkey, are now seeing case surges.

Pennslyvania just recorded its highest # of deaths in a single day (360)

My data shows me that the most deaths in a day in PA from covid was on the 14th.

Today, PA reached it's lowest new case numbers since March.

That was yesterday. PA is up again significantly today in new cases, though still below most days in April.

Another prison in Ohio is reporting a major outbreak, this time in Pickaway County (south of Columbus).  Given those two outbreaks, I have to guess a lot of other prisons around the country are experiencing something similar but haven't reported figures publicly yet.

[wbrocks67]

Italy now at it's lowest numbers since early March.

Spain now at it's lowest numbers since early March.

Germany now at it's lowest numbers since early March.

Japan's case rates are currently freefalling.

On the flip side, some countries that were late to the game, such as Russia and Turkey, are now seeing case surges.

Pennslyvania just recorded its highest # of deaths in a single day (360)

My data shows me that the most deaths in a day in PA from covid was on the 14th.

Today, PA reached it's lowest new case numbers since March.

Untrue. Today's # of new cases (1,296) even topped yesterdays (948) which was the lowest it's been in a few weeks

You're right about deaths, there was 584 announced on 4/14, but that was due to a backlog. No data yet on if today's was due to a backlog as well. Either way, up a lot from yesterdays (92 new deaths)

[Clarko95 📚💰📈]

https://twitter.com/aravosis/status/1247638685652262912

This is part of the reason why Sweden is not going on total lockdown. Hard lockdown just means it will come right back. Once Denmark and Norway come out of their hard lockdowns, they will start looking like Sweden. Until a vaccine is ready for widespread use, this is unavoidable.

But as usual, the English-language media will continue to bash Sweden as an insane, reckless, suicidal country.

Speaking with a honest discussion, is our current goal to flatten the curve or to stop the virus?
I wish the governments were more honest with us, It may be possible to get the virus almost completely eliminated but then it will just pop back up.

The point is to flatten the curve to stop the virus from overwhelming hospitals until we get a vaccine that could actually stop the virus for good.

[Fmr. Gov. NickG]

Updated data from CDC show that more Americans over the age of 85 have died of COVID-19 than those under age 65.  The risks to young people are terribly overstated by the sensationalist media. 

It is a shame that an 86 year olds life means less to you people than the life of a 55 year old.

It’s fairly widely accepted to consider “potential years of life lost” rather than a constant “lives lost” when making these sort of cost/benefit analyses, especially in the allocation of medical resources.  

On a global scale, if we didn’t do this, we’d likely allocate almost all medical funding to prolonging the lives of elderly people, and researching diseases that primarily affect the elderly, to the complete exclusion of trying to prevent causes of death among younger patients, because older people are overwhelmingly more likely to die of everything than younger people.

[Calthrina950]

Updated data from CDC show that more Americans over the age of 85 have died of COVID-19 than those under age 65.  The risks to young people are terribly overstated by the sensationalist media. 

While I certainly am not a fan of the media (as I've alluded to before), I also don't think we should completely discount the impact of coronavirus on younger populations, in the sense that many people seemed to downplay the effects which it could have for everyone. And it's also critical to note that younger people, as asymptomatic carriers, could put their elders in jeopardy-that is why schools were shuttered and the other social distancing measures implemented.

[Sprouts Farmers Market ✘]

Updated data from CDC show that more Americans over the age of 85 have died of COVID-19 than those under age 65.  The risks to young people are terribly overstated by the sensationalist media.  

3,600 people below retirement age is still a TON...given how young the virus is.

[Fmr. Gov. NickG]

It’s interesting in the CDC report posted above that although the number of deaths among 85+ year olds is higher than all other groups, the percentage of deaths attributable to covid is remarkably constant between 2.5%-3% among all age groups excluding children.  

People under 25 are almost entirely unaffected, but covid has increased the likelihood of death for all other people by about 3%.  It’s just that a 90-year old is about 100x more likely to die overall than a 40-year old in a given month.