SENATE BILL: Single Use Glass and Plastic Discouraging Act (Failed)

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

SENATE BILL

To encourage the recycling and discourage the single use of plastics and glass materials

Be it enacted in both Houses of Congress Assembled,

Section 1: Name
1. This bill may be referred to as the "Single use glass and plastic discouraging act"

Section 2: Refundable Deposits
1. A deposit of 10 cents shall be paid by consumers on all sales of glass bottles
2. A deposit of 5 cents shall be paid by consumers on all sales of aluminium cans
3. A deposit of 30 cents shall be paid by consumers on all sales of plastic bottles
4. These deposits shall be paid on top of any additional regional, state or local deposits.
5. These deposits shall be refunded to the consumer after delivering the empty container intact at any recycling point.
6. All supermarkets and other convenience stores with a surface area larger than 2000 square feet shall be considered recycling points for the purposes of this act. These establishments shall be responsible for tdelivering the received containers to a processing plant where they can be adequately recycled

Section 3: Non-refundable taxes
1. A tax of 5 cents shall be imposed on all sales of plastic bags
2. These taxes shall be imposed on top of any regional, state or local taxes

Section 4: Single use plastics bans
1. Starting on July 1st, 2021; the sale of the following products across the Republic of Atlasia shall be banned if they are made of single-use plastics or oxo-degradable plastic:
a) Cotton bud sticks
b) Plastic plates and cutlery
c) Straws
d) Sticks to be attached to and support balloons
e) Food containers intended for meals ready for immediate consumption and made out of expanded polystirene
f) Beberage containers made up of expanded polystyrene
g) Cups made up of expanded polystyrene

Section 5: Future goals
1. The Republic of Atlasia and its government shall pass the necessary measures to ensure that 90% of plastics are collected and explicitly separated for recycling by the year 2029
2. The Republic of Atlasia and its government shall pass the necessary measures to ensure that 25% of plastics are made of recycled materials by the year 2025; and 30% by the year 2030.

Section 6: Enactment
1. Except for the parts that specify otherwise, this bill shall be enacted 1 month after passage

Sponsor: Tack50
Senate Designation: SB23:16

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Sponsor!!!!

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Senators have 24 hours to object.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Senators have 24 hours to object.

Does this refer to Scott's amendment or my own amendment?

Scott's, I misread your post.

Try to avoid burying procedural motions actions in debate text.

I will start vote when I get home.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Section 4: Single use plastics bans
1. Starting on July 1st, 2021; the sale of the following products across the Republic of Atlasia shall be banned if they are made of single-use plastics or oxo-degradable plastic:
a) Cotton bud sticks
b) Plastic plates and cutlery
c) Straws
c) Sticks to be attached to and support balloons
d) Food containers intended for meals ready for immediate consumption and made out of expanded polystirene
e) Beverage containers made up of expanded polystyrene
f) Cups made up of expanded polystyrene

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Sponsor Feedback: Hostile
Status: A vote is now open on the above amendment, please vote Aye, Nay or Abstain.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

AYE

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Note for Yankee: if the Scott amendment passes, consider my amendment withdrawn as I do not think it makes sense to relitigate the issue

Owing to the fact that we have less amendments, we very rarely have had to deal with amendments conflicting together.

To say that the pre-reset was a wild and disorganized place that got more organized over time would be an understatement. There were instances in 2011 where Amendments really got passed that reversed the amendment just prior, even though such amendments didn't have the intent of doing so.

Eventually we had to get very strict and process oriented, precisely to avoid that kind of pitfalls. Amendments had to clearly state was being amended and if non included text was left alone. Though these were minor tweaks to overall text of the Senate rules, they helped contribute to the sense of "over complexity and legalism" that the radical types sought to wrap around my neck.

We take the simple things for granted these days, that couldn't be afforded in 2009-2011 as we had massively productive Senates for the first time with large numbers of bills and large numbers of amendments. That stuff had to be worked through, resolved and rules modified to accommodate it. Like most things, the radicals answer was to just turn the clock back to 2008, eventually they got their wish in late 2014 under the cover of "cutting the word count".

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Bottle deposits are good because you can actually get the money back and it encourages recycling. But 30 cents is too high.

For what is worth I based it off comparable systems. For example Germany's deposit is 25 cents.

However I am open to lowering the deposit if the Senate wants it

Story Time Part II.

When we lived up north, we used to collect cans bottles etc and drive to NY to stuff them in the machines. Not sure if this was legal when we lived in PA but... One of the things that we had to get used to was when we moved down here, there was no such thing.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Vote on Amendment:

Aye (3): LT, NC Yankee and Scott
Nay (1): Tack50
Abstain (0):

Didn't Vote (2): Devout and Pyro.

The amendment has been adopted.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

So with Scott's amendment passing and Tack's being withdrawn, where does that leave the bill? More amendments?

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I don't support this bill as written. Section 2 will be a big tax on the poor. I also have a big problem with Section 4 since a lot of those uses don't have a cost-effective alternative material.

Reiterating this earlier point now that I'm in the Senate. I would support an amended version of Section 2 though that is more reasonable, but not the rest of the bill as written.

I have PMed Scott and Tack about this statement. Trying my hand at expediting responses to take advantage of the more active membership.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

We seem to have a had a four day lapse in discussion which is unfortunate since this conversation was so good a few day's ago.

Anyway, while the state of NY has this system it should be noted that it is not without some complaints as there are issues of cost in disposal as well as some issues with vendors of the soft drinks as it relates to they being required to pick them up. Most of the articles I kept coming across on this matter were over a decade old though, so I don't know if changes were made.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Section 2: Refundable Deposits
1. A deposit of 10 cents shall be paid by consumers on all sales of glass bottles
2. A deposit of 5 cents shall be paid by consumers on all sales of aluminium cans
3. A deposit of 30 cents shall be paid by consumers on all sales of plastic bottles
4. These deposits shall not be paid on top of any additional regional, state or local deposits. If a region, state or local government introduces local deposits; the deposits shall be reduced by the amount worth of the regional, state or local deposit; until the federal one reaches zero.
5. These deposits shall be refunded to the consumer after delivering the empty container in recyclable shape at any recycling point.
6. All supermarkets and other convenience stores with a surface area larger than 2000 square feet shall be considered recycling points for the purposes of this act. These establishments shall be responsible for delivering the received containers to a processing plant where they can be adequately recycled.
7. Section 2.6 shall not be construed as to limit the implementation of recycling points in any other sort of establishment or store

Section 5: Future goals
1. The Republic of Atlasia and its government shall pass the necessary measures to ensure that 90% of plastics are collected and explicitly separated for recycling by the year 2029
2. The Republic of Atlasia and its government shall pass the necessary measures to ensure that 25% of plastics are made of recycled materials by the year 2025; and 30% by the year 2030.

Sponsor Feedback: Origination
Status: Senators have 24 hours to object.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

The amendment is adopted.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

What are the next steps on this bill?

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

So amendments forthcoming?

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

So amendments forthcoming?

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I think its this:

SENATE BILL

To encourage the recycling and discourage the single use of plastics and glass materials

Be it enacted in both Houses of Congress Assembled,

Section 1: Name
1. This bill may be referred to as the "Single use glass and plastic discouraging act"

Section 2: Refundable Deposits
1. A deposit of 10 cents shall be paid by consumers on all sales of glass bottles
2. A deposit of 5 cents shall be paid by consumers on all sales of aluminium cans
3. A deposit of 30 cents shall be paid by consumers on all sales of plastic bottles
4. These deposits shall be paid on top of any additional regional, state or local deposits.  If a region, state or local government introduces local deposits; the deposits shall be reduced by the amount worth of the regional, state or local deposit; until the federal one reaches zero.
5. These deposits shall be refunded to the consumer after delivering the empty container intact at any recycling point.
6. All supermarkets and other convenience stores with a surface area larger than 2000 square feet shall be considered recycling points for the purposes of this act. These establishments shall be responsible for delivering the received containers to a processing plant where they can be adequately recycled

Section 3: Non-refundable taxes
1. A tax of 5 cents shall be imposed on all sales of plastic bags
2. These taxes shall be imposed on top of any regional, state or local taxes

Section 4: Single use plastics bans
1. Starting on July 1st, 2021; the sale of the following products across the Republic of Atlasia shall be banned if they are made of single-use plastics or oxo-degradable plastic:
a) Cotton bud sticks
b) Plastic plates and cutlery
c) Sticks to be attached to and support balloons
d) Food containers intended for meals ready for immediate consumption and made out of expanded polystirene
e) Beberage containers made up of expanded polystyrene
f) Cups made up of expanded polystyrene

Section 5: Enactment
1. Except for the parts that specify otherwise, this bill shall be enacted 1 month after passage

• May 06, 2020, 03:19:03 am S24:06 Tack50 amendment to the Single Use Glass... - Adopted
• April 24, 2020, 04:00:11 am S23:19 tack50 amendment to the Singe Use... - Withdrawn
• April 24, 2020, 03:30:03 am S23:18 Scott amendment to the Single Use... - Passed

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

So where does that leave us at?

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Alright so backtracing, worth jotting down that we just introduced one amendment passed by Scott keeping the use of straws and Tack took down his amendment.

You mean with like list the amendments so far in the post with the current text?

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Alright so backtracing, worth jotting down that we just introduced one amendment passed by Scott keeping the use of straws and Tack took down his amendment.

You mean with like list the amendments so far in the post with the current text?

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I think its this:

SENATE BILL

To encourage the recycling and discourage the single use of plastics and glass materials

Be it enacted in both Houses of Congress Assembled,

Section 1: Name
1. This bill may be referred to as the "Single use glass and plastic discouraging act"

Section 2: Refundable Deposits
1. A deposit of 10 cents shall be paid by consumers on all sales of glass bottles
2. A deposit of 5 cents shall be paid by consumers on all sales of aluminium cans
3. A deposit of 30 cents shall be paid by consumers on all sales of plastic bottles
4. These deposits shall be paid on top of any additional regional, state or local deposits.  If a region, state or local government introduces local deposits; the deposits shall be reduced by the amount worth of the regional, state or local deposit; until the federal one reaches zero.
5. These deposits shall be refunded to the consumer after delivering the empty container intact at any recycling point.
6. All supermarkets and other convenience stores with a surface area larger than 2000 square feet shall be considered recycling points for the purposes of this act. These establishments shall be responsible for delivering the received containers to a processing plant where they can be adequately recycled

Section 3: Non-refundable taxes
1. A tax of 5 cents shall be imposed on all sales of plastic bags
2. These taxes shall be imposed on top of any regional, state or local taxes

Section 4: Single use plastics bans
1. Starting on July 1st, 2021; the sale of the following products across the Republic of Atlasia shall be banned if they are made of single-use plastics or oxo-degradable plastic:
a) Cotton bud sticks
b) Plastic plates and cutlery
c) Sticks to be attached to and support balloons
d) Food containers intended for meals ready for immediate consumption and made out of expanded polystirene
e) Beberage containers made up of expanded polystyrene
f) Cups made up of expanded polystyrene

Section 5: Enactment
1. Except for the parts that specify otherwise, this bill shall be enacted 1 month after passage

• May 06, 2020, 03:19:03 am S24:06 Tack50 amendment to the Single Use Glass... - Adopted
• April 24, 2020, 04:00:11 am S23:19 tack50 amendment to the Singe Use... - Withdrawn
• April 24, 2020, 03:30:03 am S23:18 Scott amendment to the Single Use... - Passed

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

So what are the next steps here then?

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Senators have 24 hours to object.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

The amendment is adopted.