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« on: April 22, 2020, 05:27:43 PM »

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fox-news-poll-biden-tops-trump-in-michigan-where-gov-whitmer-is-more-popular-than-president

Peters- 46
James- 36
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« Reply #1 on: April 22, 2020, 05:35:53 PM »

Remember when Bill Nelson was leading Rick Scott? I do.
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« Reply #2 on: April 22, 2020, 05:38:20 PM »

Remember when Bill Nelson was leading Rick Scott? I do.

Ok troll.
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« Reply #3 on: April 22, 2020, 05:40:02 PM »

Last time I checked John James was being held up as the future of Michigan Republicans.
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« Reply #4 on: April 22, 2020, 05:54:20 PM »

Remember when Bill Nelson was leading Rick Scott? I do.

They were essentially tied, so the likelihood of polls having Rick Scott winning is... high?
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« Reply #5 on: April 22, 2020, 06:09:16 PM »

Remember when Bill Nelson was leading Rick Scott? I do.

They were essentially tied, so the likelihood of polls having Rick Scott winning is... high?

Four out of five polls from May 2018 saw Rick Scott ahead, and out of the four five polls conducted in April/March/end of February, Scott lead in two. What's the point? As wbrocks67 pointed out, they were essentially tied.
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« Reply #6 on: April 22, 2020, 06:29:50 PM »

Remember when Bill Nelson was leading Rick Scott? I do.

John James also isn't nearly as good a candidate as Rick Scott.
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« Reply #7 on: April 22, 2020, 06:34:04 PM »

Though Peters should be closer to 50 as an incumbent, this is also the umpteenth poll that has James in the 35-40 range, which is just horrific for someone who had as high of a profile in 2018 as him in the state.
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« Reply #8 on: April 22, 2020, 07:11:58 PM »

Yeah this is reminiscent of the WV Sen race 2018 in a couple of ways, Peters polling somewhat comfy ahead of James in almost every poll just like Manchin and fat pat but below the 50ish comfort level. Peters and James are also pretty much tied up even in GOP internals, just like Manchin and fat pat. The majority of undecideds break for James just like fat pat, but the lead ends up too large to overcome anyways, and Manchin ends up winning 49-46, just like rn I think Peters will win 49-46.
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« Reply #9 on: April 22, 2020, 07:21:30 PM »

Peter's isn't winning by 10, more like 4, but he is gonna win, Black people dont have any allegiance to John James, like others like Michael Steele, whom have gotten more popular since he left office
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« Reply #10 on: April 22, 2020, 10:28:44 PM »

Yeah this is reminiscent of the WV Sen race 2018 in a couple of ways, Peters polling somewhat comfy ahead of James in almost every poll just like Manchin and fat pat but below the 50ish comfort level. Peters and James are also pretty much tied up even in GOP internals, just like Manchin and fat pat. The majority of undecideds break for James just like fat pat, but the lead ends up too large to overcome anyways, and Manchin ends up winning 49-46, just like rn I think Peters will win 49-46.

I can see this happen on a good night for Trump.
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« Reply #11 on: April 22, 2020, 11:21:44 PM »

Maybe if James actually bothered to campaign instead of essentially allowing Senator Peters to run unopposed, this could get more interesting, but Republicans are blowing this race (+ other Senate races) big time.
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« Reply #12 on: April 22, 2020, 11:33:46 PM »

While not an unstoppable incumbent, Peters was always one of the stronger Dems up this year, especially since he did well enough in 2014 for it to not be completely due to a weak R candidate.
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« Reply #13 on: April 23, 2020, 02:00:43 AM »

Maybe if James actually bothered to campaign instead of essentially allowing Senator Peters to run unopposed, this could get more interesting, but Republicans are blowing this race (+ other Senate races) big time.

The problem is not James, it's just that if Trump is losing MI by eight points like this poll is forecasting there is no way that this seat could flip.
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« Reply #14 on: April 23, 2020, 03:01:32 AM »

Maybe if James actually bothered to campaign instead of essentially allowing Senator Peters to run unopposed, this could get more interesting, but Republicans are blowing this race (+ other Senate races) big time.

The problem for James is that Peters, unlike Stabenow, has gone negative against him early and hard. Democratic super PACs have hammered James relentlessly for saying that Obamacare is an abomination that needs to be repealed.
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« Reply #15 on: April 23, 2020, 09:10:11 PM »

The problem is not James, it's just that if Trump is losing MI by eight points like this poll is forecasting there is no way that this seat could flip.

You’re right that there’s no way this seat flips if Biden wins MI by this much, but I do think James could outperform Trump by 2 points or so with a better campaign (but certainly not with the kind of lazy campaign he’s been running—he’s barely been visible).

The problem for James is that Peters, unlike Stabenow, has gone negative against him early and hard. Democratic super PACs have hammered James relentlessly for saying that Obamacare is an abomination that needs to be repealed.

Yeah, and James has been pretty much absent from the campaign trail, unlike Peters. Some people have compared this race to FL-SEN 2018, and so far it looks like they were (unintentionally) right: Nelson is James, Scott is Peters. Tongue
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« Reply #16 on: April 24, 2020, 01:32:58 AM »

Remember when Bill Nelson was leading Rick Scott? I do.

John James also isn't nearly as good a candidate as Rick Scott.

Also not nearly as rich.
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« Reply #17 on: April 24, 2020, 04:32:55 AM »

The problem is not James, it's just that if Trump is losing MI by eight points like this poll is forecasting there is no way that this seat could flip.

You’re right that there’s no way this seat flips if Biden wins MI by this much, but I do think James could outperform Trump by 2 points or so with a better campaign (but certainly not with the kind of lazy campaign he’s been running—he’s barely been visible).

The problem for James is that Peters, unlike Stabenow, has gone negative against him early and hard. Democratic super PACs have hammered James relentlessly for saying that Obamacare is an abomination that needs to be repealed.

Yeah, and James has been pretty much absent from the campaign trail, unlike Peters. Some people have compared this race to FL-SEN 2018, and so far it looks like they were (unintentionally) right: Nelson is James, Scott is Peters. Tongue


It would be hard, Trump is actually a pretty good kind of republican for MI (not too religious + protectionist), it's easy to see some Trump/Peters voters in place like Macomb or Saginaw county but Biden/James voters are much harder to imagine (maybe some in Grosse Pointe or Bloomfield Hills) because the vast majority of people who will vote for Biden, at least in MI, are simply not open to vote for a conservative, downballot republican candidate who would solidify the conservative grip on the US Senate, that's why Peters is pretty okay.
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« Reply #18 on: April 24, 2020, 05:29:46 AM »

#WhereIsJohnJames
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« Reply #19 on: April 24, 2020, 02:01:54 PM »

Larry Jeters and James John are quite low key guys then
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« Reply #20 on: April 24, 2020, 04:36:20 PM »

Peter's isnt winning by 10, more like 4, inflated polls
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