Is Ron DeSantis still presidential material?
       |           

Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.
Did you miss your activation email?
March 28, 2024, 08:57:36 PM
News: Election Simulator 2.0 Released. Senate/Gubernatorial maps, proportional electoral votes, and more - Read more

  Talk Elections
  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion
  Presidential Election Trends (Moderator: 15 Down, 35 To Go)
  Is Ron DeSantis still presidential material?
« previous next »
Pages: [1] 2
Author Topic: Is Ron DeSantis still presidential material?  (Read 2727 times)
Suburbia
bronz4141
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 19,684
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« on: April 11, 2020, 06:54:13 PM »

After the coronavirus response, is Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis still presidential material, or is he overrated?
Logged
Grassroots
Grassr00ts
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 6,741
United States


Political Matrix
E: 1.94, S: 2.09

P P P
Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #1 on: April 11, 2020, 07:29:31 PM »

Yes. The warming temperatures will cover his mistakes.
Logged
brucejoel99
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 19,453
Ukraine


Political Matrix
E: -3.48, S: -3.30

Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #2 on: April 11, 2020, 07:31:39 PM »

As a citizen of the state of Florida who pretty much had no qualms with DeSantis (except for the implementation of Amendment 4) prior to COVID, no.
Logged
#TheShadowyAbyss
TheShadowyAbyss
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 12,027
Palestinian Territory, Occupied


Political Matrix
E: -5.81, S: -3.64

Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #3 on: April 11, 2020, 07:42:17 PM »

Lol no, people in the state are turning against him, he is a disaster
Logged
Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers
olawakandi
Atlas Institution
*****
Posts: 87,799
Jamaica
Political Matrix
E: -6.84, S: -0.17


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #4 on: April 12, 2020, 06:08:10 AM »

No, he goes with Paul Ryan and Rubio as failed candidates.
Logged
RINO Tom
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 17,002
United States


Political Matrix
E: 2.45, S: -0.52

Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #5 on: April 12, 2020, 12:58:39 PM »

Yes. The warming temperatures will cover his mistakes.

We have no idea if this virus is seasonal.  Being populist does not have to mean not trusting in experts, friend, and it's too early for us to say something like you just did if we are to be smart about this.

Anyway, I think this will hurt him.  I do still think people somewhat inaccurately conflate Republican voters' willingness to stick with a controversial politician and their willingness to nominate a candidate they see as a liability (obvious exceptions, of course).  In fact, the former logically leads to the latter.
Logged
Agonized-Statism
Anarcho-Statism
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 3,802


Political Matrix
E: -9.10, S: -5.83

P
Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #6 on: April 12, 2020, 09:22:56 PM »

I always thought people were overreacting to DeSantis anyway. What makes him remarkable?
Logged
brucejoel99
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 19,453
Ukraine


Political Matrix
E: -3.48, S: -3.30

Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #7 on: April 12, 2020, 10:25:56 PM »

I always thought people were overreacting to DeSantis anyway. What makes him remarkable?

Young, charismatic, from a swing state, appeals to Trumpists without being crazy once in office (though his incompetence on COVID has arguably been borne out of a need to continue appealing to Trumpists).
Logged
Del Tachi
Republican95
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 17,711
United States


Political Matrix
E: 0.52, S: 1.46

P P P

Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #8 on: April 12, 2020, 10:36:49 PM »

Yes, definitely presidential caliber and he will run in 2024/28.  Being a governor of Florida confers an immediate advantage in terms of name recognition/fundraising. 
Logged
Xing
xingkerui
Atlas Superstar
*****
Posts: 30,303
United States


Political Matrix
E: -6.52, S: -3.91

P P P
Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #9 on: April 12, 2020, 10:48:24 PM »

I always thought he was overrated as presidential material, and I’ll stick by that assertion.
Logged
AtorBoltox
Sr. Member
****
Posts: 2,977


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #10 on: April 12, 2020, 11:38:34 PM »

The dude only won because his opponent was black
Logged
Upstater
Rookie
**
Posts: 197
United States


Political Matrix
E: -6.58, S: -4.00

P P
Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #11 on: April 12, 2020, 11:45:25 PM »

No, DeSantis is damaged goods now because of COVID.
Logged
brucejoel99
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 19,453
Ukraine


Political Matrix
E: -3.48, S: -3.30

Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #12 on: April 12, 2020, 11:46:05 PM »

The dude only won because his opponent was black

No, Gillum didn't lose because of the color of his skin. Say what you may about Florida, but it wasn't racism that was to blame for his loss. He lost because Florida voters (unfortunately) decided that they didn't want his brand of progressive leftism in our Governor's Mansion in Tallahassee.
Logged
MABA 2020
MakeAmericaBritishAgain
Jr. Member
***
Posts: 1,822
United Kingdom


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #13 on: April 14, 2020, 05:05:02 AM »

What does "presidential material" even mean when Donald Trump is president? The answer is no anyway
Logged
clever but short
andy
Rookie
**
Posts: 155
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #14 on: April 14, 2020, 02:39:30 PM »

I always thought people were overreacting to DeSantis anyway. What makes him remarkable?

That he tries really hard to be Trump? Or something

What does "presidential material" even mean when Donald Trump is president? The answer is no anyway
Logged
P. Clodius Pulcher did nothing wrong
razze
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 5,072
Cuba


Political Matrix
E: -6.52, S: -4.96


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #15 on: April 14, 2020, 09:39:45 PM »

The dude only won because his opponent was black

No, Gillum didn't lose because of the color of his skin. Say what you may about Florida, but it wasn't racism that was to blame for his loss. He lost because Florida voters (unfortunately) decided that they didn't want his brand of progressive leftism in our Governor's Mansion in Tallahassee.

No no, dude only won because his opponent was Black
Logged
RINO Tom
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 17,002
United States


Political Matrix
E: 2.45, S: -0.52

Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #16 on: April 20, 2020, 05:15:28 PM »

The dude only won because his opponent was black

You think there are still enough racist Democrats in Florida to swing an election?  Not like your MAGA types and hardline conservatives were gonna vote for a White Democratic nominee.  Color me skeptical.
Logged
Orwell
JacksonHitchcock
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 5,413
United States
Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #17 on: April 20, 2020, 06:51:13 PM »

The dude only won because his opponent was black

You think there are still enough racist Democrats in Florida to swing an election?  Not like your MAGA types and hardline conservatives were gonna vote for a White Democratic nominee.  Color me skeptical.

It only requires 18,000ish racist Florida Democrats to vote for DeSantis over Gillum to flip the election is it true probably not, is it possible maybe.
Logged
Person Man
Angry_Weasel
Atlas Superstar
*****
Posts: 36,681
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #18 on: April 21, 2020, 09:04:48 AM »

If he is or was presidential material, we won't know until if and when he runs. His incompetence here will be a better indicator of whether he is presidential material than whether or not he was competent if Trump or even W is any indicator.
Logged
Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers
olawakandi
Atlas Institution
*****
Posts: 87,799
Jamaica
Political Matrix
E: -6.84, S: -0.17


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #19 on: April 24, 2020, 04:18:36 AM »

DeSantis, whom is a staffer of Trump is hopefully gone in 2024. That's why FL is trending blue, due to inefficiency of DeSantis
Logged
Sir Mohamed
MohamedChalid
Atlas Star
*****
Posts: 22,468
United States



Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #20 on: April 24, 2020, 08:57:46 AM »

Too soon to tell. Very often, very early frontrunners and hopefuls never make it to the WH, while others come out of nowhere and win. Even just 1 year is a lifetime in politics. One scandal can change everything, one crisis can catapult someone else into the a group of frontrunners. Scott Walker, Chris Christie, Marco Rubio, Gary Hart, Howard Dean, Edmund Muskie are just a handful of contenders who looked promising but then failed badly.

Predicting how DeSantis would do if he ever runs 4 prez is pure speculation. My gut feeling is the 2024 GOP nominee will be someone we either don't or barely know, or someone we never thought would be there. No matter what happens in 2024. Especially if Trump loses, the 2024 GOP nominee is hardly predictable. Sure, it could be DeSantis, but he may not even make it into the year 2024 he announced his candidacy in spring 2023.
Logged
DaWN
Jr. Member
***
Posts: 1,370
United Kingdom


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #21 on: April 24, 2020, 09:04:12 AM »

Nobody will remember his poor response here by 2024. The issue for him is that it's squandering his early popularity which means:
1) He'll have a potentially unpopular record to run on
2) I personally think he's in serious trouble in a second Trump midterm, although obviously FL Dems are his greatest asset in that regard
He could win but I don't think he's the obvious frontrunner like he was pre-corona
Logged
Person Man
Angry_Weasel
Atlas Superstar
*****
Posts: 36,681
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #22 on: April 24, 2020, 01:36:56 PM »

Nobody will remember his poor response here by 2024. The issue for him is that it's squandering his early popularity which means:
1) He'll have a potentially unpopular record to run on
2) I personally think he's in serious trouble in a second Trump midterm, although obviously FL Dems are his greatest asset in that regard
He could win but I don't think he's the obvious frontrunner like he was pre-corona

DeSantis could survive if Biden wins and things aren't improving by 2022. Things are about as likely to rapidly improve immediately after 2021 as just before. Mostly likely they won't until 2023 or 2024.
Logged
Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers
olawakandi
Atlas Institution
*****
Posts: 87,799
Jamaica
Political Matrix
E: -6.84, S: -0.17


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #23 on: April 26, 2020, 01:04:15 AM »

Cruz is likely gonna run for the nomination in 2024
Logged
Skill and Chance
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 12,522
Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #24 on: April 26, 2020, 12:05:50 PM »

Probably not.  There's a long history of very popular governors getting talked up for the WH and then either flaming out in scandal or just overstaying their welcome at the state level (Howard Dean, Mario Cuomo, Christie in NJ, McDonnell in VA, Pawlenty in MN, Walker in WI, Strickland in Ohio).

At this point I think DeSantis just loses to Fried in 2022.

In the scenario where he is most likely to win a 2nd term (an unpopular Biden presidency with a long term weak economy), the 2024 GOP primary will not favor a cheery pro-business Sunbelt suburbs campaign, but rather someone who can out populist Biden, including getting to his left on some economic issues to pick up some of the more socially conservative Bernie voters.
Logged
Pages: [1] 2  
« previous next »
Jump to:  


Login with username, password and session length

Terms of Service - DMCA Agent and Policy - Privacy Policy and Cookies

Powered by SMF 1.1.21 | SMF © 2015, Simple Machines

Page created in 0.054 seconds with 11 queries.