The weirdest age comparison

[buritobr]

It is weird to think about some age differences. Some people became relevant many years after younger people.

Ronald Reagan was not only older than John F Kennedy when he was elected. He is absolutely older. There were many changes in USA and in the world between 1960 and 1988, but the POTUS in 1988 was born 6 years before the POTUS in 1960. Nixon was born afer Reagan. Kennedy was born after Nixon. Nixon became president after Kennedy. Reagan became president after Nixon.

Adolf Hitler ruled for many years. Konrad Adenauer ruled for many years after Hitler, in a completelly different world, the post-WWII world. And Adenauer was not slightly older than Hitler, he was a lot older than Hitler.

François Mitterrand was the still the president after the end of the Cold War, after the Treaty of Maastricht. Estaign was president in the mid-1970s, when the guillotine was still working.

Queen Elizabeth II is alive. Anne Frank died when more than 90% of the mankind living now was not born yet.

Joe Biden, who can be the next POTUS, is 4 years older than the POTUS in 1993

[brucejoel99]

All POTUS' since 1993, with one obvious exception, were not only born within a single 3-month span in the summer of 1946, but funnily enough, their order of service in office has been youngest-to-oldest (Clinton is 1 month younger than W., who's 1 month younger than Trump).

[Orser67]

These are all good examples. Queen Elizabeth being older than Anne Frank hits closest to home for some reason, though Reagan being born before JFK is also pretty strange.

While we're on the topic of Reagan, it's kinda surprising that Nixon was also born later than him. Also, Gore is the second-youngest major party presidential nominee of this century (if you count 2000 as part of this century).

[buritobr]

All POTUS' since 1993, with one obvious exception, were not only born within a single 3-month span in the summer of 1946, but funnily enough, their order of service in office has been youngest-to-oldest (Clinton is 1 month younger than W., who's 1 month younger than Trump).

The 3 presidents were born after s which took place few days after the Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombs

[Calthrina950]

These are all good examples. Queen Elizabeth being older than Anne Frank hits closest to home for some reason, though Reagan being born before JFK is also pretty strange.

While we're on the topic of Reagan, it's kinda surprising that Nixon was also born later than him. Also, Gore is the second-youngest major party presidential nominee of this century (if you count 2000 as part of this century).

Reagan was also older than Ford, who was born in the same year as Nixon (1913), and obviously, he was older than his predecessor that he defeated, Carter. Carter and Reagan's Vice-President (and successor), H.W. Bush, were in fact born the same year (1924). H.W. Bush was born in June and Carter was born in October. So Reagan was older than four of his predecessors; the one President between Eisenhower and H.W. Bush who was older than him was Johnson, and Johnson was only two and a half years older than Reagan.

As for the Elizabeth II-Anne Frank comparison, it's astonishing to realize that Anne Frank was born the same year as Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr and the longtime NBC/ABC correspondent Barbara Walters. Walters is now 91, while Frank has been dead for 75 years and King for 52.

[Samof94]

Batista was alive for nearly all of the period from Cuba’s independence from Spain to 1959. He lived over a decade(in Spain) into the Castro regime.

[TheElectoralBoobyPrize]

Harriet Tubman and Ronald Reagan were alive at the same time.

[Calthrina950]

Harriet Tubman and Ronald Reagan were alive at the same time.

That is astonishing, when one thinks about it. Reagan was two years old when Tubman died in March 1913.

[Astatine]

German Emperor Wilhelm II was born in 1859 and reigned from 1888 until 1919.
President Paul von Hindenburg was born in 1847 and served from 1925 (37 years after Wilhelm assumed the throne!) until 1934, when he died.

[Calthrina950]

German Emperor Wilhelm II was born in 1859 and reigned from 1888 until 1919.
President Paul von Hindenburg was born in 1847 and served from 1925 (37 years after Wilhelm assumed the throne!) until 1934, when he died.

It's also astounding to realize that Wilhelm II lived to see the rise of Hitler to power, and lived to see the start of World War II; he did not die until 1941, the same year as Operation Barbarossa and Pearl Harbor. If I'm not mistaken, Hitler had him effectively placed under house arrest during the last year of his life, and incorporated Nazi symbolism into his funeral.

[Alcibiades]

Harriet Tubman and Ronald Reagan were alive at the same time.

Not only that, but Harriet Tubman's life overlapped with those of both Reagan and Thomas Jefferson. That is extraordinary.

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Not properly age comparisons between people but:

Jeanne Calment, the longest-lived person ever documented, was old enough to have known Vincent Van Gogh in person, and died when cell phones and commercial Internet were a thing.

Brazilian genius architect Oscar Niemeyer was alive during the 1908 London Olympic Games and was still alive during the 2012 London Olympic Games.

Roberta McCain (John McCain's mother) was born during the Qing dinasty and died during the COVID-19 pandemic.

[TheElectoralBoobyPrize]

Harriet Tubman and Ronald Reagan were alive at the same time.

Not only that, but Harriet Tubman's life overlapped with those of both Reagan and Thomas Jefferson. That is extraordinary.

Overlapped with John Adams too...of the Presidents before Reagan, she wasn’t alive at the same time as Kennedy, Ford, or Carter, but was LBJ and Nixon.

[buritobr]

The last slave in Brazil died in 2000. Slavery in Brazil was abolished in 1888. Maria do Carmo was born in 1871. She lived 129 years. She had the baptism certificate of the catholic church. Since she didn't have a civil birth certificate, the Guiness Book doesn't recognize her. That's why Guiness Book considers Jeanne Calment the human being who lived more years. There was no civil registration during the Brazilian Empire.

[jimrtex]

All POTUS' since 1993, with one obvious exception, were not only born within a single 3-month span in the summer of 1946, but funnily enough, their order of service in office has been youngest-to-oldest (Clinton is 1 month younger than W., who's 1 month younger than Trump).

This must mean that Harris will never be president, and the next president will be even older than Biden. Patrick Leahy or Bernie Sanders?

[Astatine]

John Tyler (1790-1862) had a son at age 63 - Lyon Tyler (1853-1935). Lyon's son, Harrison Ruffin Tyler (born 1928), is still alive.

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Democratic 1904 VP nominee only 2 years younger than Democratic 1856 VP nominee

[America Needs a 13-6 Progressive SCOTUS]

The last slave in Brazil died in 2000. Slavery in Brazil was abolished in 1888. Maria do Carmo was born in 1871. She lived 129 years. She had the baptism certificate of the catholic church. Since she didn't have a civil birth certificate, the Guiness Book doesn't recognize her. That's why Guiness Book considers Jeanne Calment the human being who lived more years. There was no civil registration during the Brazilian Empire.

well the guiness book is wrong there. The supposed lifespan on 122 years she had was actually the product of a fraudulent identity swap.

[brucejoel99]

The last slave in Brazil died in 2000. Slavery in Brazil was abolished in 1888. Maria do Carmo was born in 1871. She lived 129 years. She had the baptism certificate of the catholic church. Since she didn't have a civil birth certificate, the Guiness Book doesn't recognize her. That's why Guiness Book considers Jeanne Calment the human being who lived more years. There was no civil registration during the Brazilian Empire.

well the guiness book is wrong there. The supposed lifespan on 122 years she had was actually the product of a fraudulent identity swap.

No, it likely wasn't. Funny how you just ignored my pointing the holes in that claim out to you last time, though:

Easily 59.

This was clearly a case of a fraudulent identity swap.

Okay, so I looked a bit more into this, & no, it definitely wasn't.

1. Nikolay Zak (who helped to revive the theory that Calment died in 1934 & that her daughter Yvonne, born in 1898, assumed her mother's official identity) has no published papers in English or Russian, & has no Ph.D (I'm not saying that you need to have a Ph.D in order to do research, but it just kinda shows that his previous work on any level hasn't reached the "acceptable threshold" of expertise).

2. Virtually anybody can become a member of the "Society of Naturalists" at Moscow University. And, upon further investigation, he isn't listed as being a member of any of their committees or their governing bodies.

3. His cohort Valery Novoselov has only published a few sparse papers, including one where he equates aging to a disease that can be cured. It's important to note that the University of Moscow has no Gerontology department or staffs any Gerontologists who specialize in aging. Further to this, the State University & the Social University aren't affiliated with the institute that Novoselov claims to work with/at. Along with the above, it's important to note that for a University with several thousand faculty members, a professor (Novoselov) publishing on their own, with no fellow co-authors is suspicious; everybody wants the glory of publication, & the vast majority of other papers are from multiple authors.

4. Is it possible that she assumed her mother's identity? Absolutely. Is it probable that she did? Highly unlikely, especially since there's literally no material proof put forward. It's all just "speculation."

5. For Novosolev to make the claim that Calment couldn't be her age since her mental acuity & musculature were so high-functioning is a strained scientific claim at best. Any centenarian is an outlier (statistically), so to compare outliers across the globe to create some kind of fictitious "benchmark" for what super-centenarians should look/think/act like is downright poor science. If there was any kind of established & shared commonality among this group (outside of race), then it would've been exploited for commercial gain by some huckster by now. To date, no such shared benchmark for shared commonality exists... some 100+ year olds run marathons & weightlift everyday, while others eat fatty foods, drink wine, & heavily smoke all day.

6. The claim that an insurance company wouldn't void a policy because the holder is "famous" is the most ridiculous claim of this entire thing. Insurance actuarial work doesn't care about feelings: if there was a way to fleece her with legitimate evidence, they absolutely would've, not only because it's part of their fiduciary duty to their other clients (less fraud = lower premiums), but because the re-insurers they do business with would've lost their minds if they saw that kind of favoritism based on mild fame (her name wasn't popular enough; her accomplishment, however, was).

7. Finally, Jean-Marie Robine (the co-validator of Calment's age) isn't just some Guinness World Records guy. He's one of the most famous gerontologists in France, with over 100 publications. He has been cited by over 12,208 different scientific journals & papers. So, if he wasn't 100% sure of Calment's claim, why would he wanna sully his name & appear foolish? If he'd even had the slightest of doubts, he could've just said "No, I won't validate" & be done with it.

Overall, the lack of credibility of the authors, the insufficient speculation, & the complete reliance on hearsay & non-material facts, including the "generosity" of an insurance company, make this challenge to Calment's age poorly constructed & fallacious, at best.

EDIT: grammar

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The last slave in Brazil died in 2000. Slavery in Brazil was abolished in 1888. Maria do Carmo was born in 1871. She lived 129 years. She had the baptism certificate of the catholic church. Since she didn't have a civil birth certificate, the Guiness Book doesn't recognize her. That's why Guiness Book considers Jeanne Calment the human being who lived more years. There was no civil registration during the Brazilian Empire.

No one has ever made it to 129.

[LBJer]

The last slave in Brazil died in 2000. Slavery in Brazil was abolished in 1888. Maria do Carmo was born in 1871. She lived 129 years. She had the baptism certificate of the catholic church. Since she didn't have a civil birth certificate, the Guiness Book doesn't recognize her. That's why Guiness Book considers Jeanne Calment the human being who lived more years. There was no civil registration during the Brazilian Empire.

No one has ever made it to 129.

We don't know that for certain--although it is certain that no one has ever been verified as having reached that age.

[LBJer]

The last slave in Brazil died in 2000. Slavery in Brazil was abolished in 1888. Maria do Carmo was born in 1871. She lived 129 years. She had the baptism certificate of the catholic church. Since she didn't have a civil birth certificate, the Guiness Book doesn't recognize her. That's why Guiness Book considers Jeanne Calment the human being who lived more years. There was no civil registration during the Brazilian Empire.

well the guiness book is wrong there. The supposed lifespan on 122 years she had was actually the product of a fraudulent identity swap.

Calment almost certainly lived to be 122--the "Zak hypothesis" has been thoroughly discredited:

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2020/02/17/was-jeanne-calment-the-oldest-person-who-ever-lived-or-a-fraud

Zak, for whatever reason, is determined to not accept her age.  For him, the conclusion comes first and then the examination of the evidence--not the other way around.  Someone once said that even if they did a DNA test on Calment, he would say it was rigged.  Sound like someone we know? 

[Middle-aged Europe]

Adolf Hitler ruled for many years. Konrad Adenauer ruled for many years after Hitler, in a completelly different world, the post-WWII world. And Adenauer was not slightly older than Hitler, he was a lot older than Hitler.

Adenauer was Mayor of Cologne and Hitler a private in the German Army at the same time.

[Lurker]

Adenauer has usually been my go-to examples for "crazily old (democratically elected) heads of government".

Interesting to think that a two-term Biden would be the same age at the end of his presidency (86/87) as Adenauer was at the end of his period as Chancellor.

Others for Biden:

5 years older than Dan Quayle, who was Vice-President 32 years ago.
The same age as Neil Kinnock - perhaps not surprising in light of their, ehm, shared history, but considering that Kinnock's been a Has-Been for nearly three decades, whereas Biden has just entered the peak of his political career...

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

Éamon de Valera, still President of Ireland in 1973, was older than Truman and less than a year younger than FDR. His career as a state leader in Ireland encompassed JFK's entire lifespan if you count the Easter Rising.