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« Reply #25 on: April 09, 2020, 08:41:16 AM »

Who cares? The dude is a backbencher on his way out of congress, who embraced the crap that made Mr. Trump's presidency possible in the first place. The Tea Party made congressional atmosphere more toxic than ever by taking the political system hostage just to own "the socialist Muslim" Obama and swept remaining sane GOPers away or pushed to them to the extreme right. They have decided to ride this tiger and now complain about having a totally insane, corrupt and reckless prez from within their ranks. We don't need Mr. Amash to tell us which election America deserves.
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« Reply #26 on: April 09, 2020, 10:26:37 AM »
« Edited: April 09, 2020, 10:36:00 AM by sparkey »

This. My guess is that if he’s forced to take a side he’ll pick Biden. But he also has to win re-election to a Republican-district seat against a Republican. He’s not going to want to have to run as a de facto Democrat. So he’s going to stay neutral if possible.

I don't think "endorse Biden" is even in his top 5 most likely approaches to the election. I'd wager that those are:

1. Endorse the LP nominee (Hornberger?)
2. Endorse nobody
3. Run for President himself
4. Endorse all third parties like Ron Paul in 2008
5. Endorse the CP nominee (Blankenship?)

Of course, the likelihood of endorsing LP or CP depends a lot on the candidate. Hornberger is an OK fit for an Amash endorsement, while someone like McAfee wouldn't be. Blankenship is a bad fit so if the CP gets somebody more "respectable" that option could increase in likelihood.
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« Reply #27 on: April 09, 2020, 10:54:59 AM »

I think he's just positioning himself in the "both parties suck equally" lane to win his congressional race. While I do think he truly believes that, I don't think he's dumb enough to run for President with no chance. There's nothing to gain from that.
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« Reply #28 on: April 09, 2020, 01:42:01 PM »

I think he's just positioning himself in the "both parties suck equally" lane to win his congressional race. While I do think he truly believes that, I don't think he's dumb enough to run for President with no chance. There's nothing to gain from that.

Gary Johnson and Ralph Nader would like a word, first.
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« Reply #29 on: April 09, 2020, 01:43:44 PM »

I think he's just positioning himself in the "both parties suck equally" lane to win his congressional race. While I do think he truly believes that, I don't think he's dumb enough to run for President with no chance. There's nothing to gain from that.

Gary Johnson and Ralph Nader would like a word, first.
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« Reply #30 on: April 13, 2020, 07:40:20 PM »

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« Reply #31 on: April 14, 2020, 12:12:34 PM »

The Libertarian Party had one opportunity for relevance this cycle: talking Justin Amash into running for them. They didn't do it. Therefore, they have no chance at relevance whether they pick Chafee or just go with their guts and run Adam Kokesh.

Posted this back in January, and I still believe that Amash is the only possible candidate who could take the Libertarian party out of the sub 0.5% irrelevance basement in 2020. He'd have a real shot at 1.5-2% and being a big factor in MI.

I'm not rooting for him to get in because I want third parties to be irrelevant in 2020, but I do think Amash is the one guy who has a chance to make any third party not a complete joke in 2020.
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« Reply #32 on: April 14, 2020, 12:20:11 PM »

The Libertarian Party had one opportunity for relevance this cycle: talking Justin Amash into running for them. They didn't do it. Therefore, they have no chance at relevance whether they pick Chafee or just go with their guts and run Adam Kokesh.

Posted this back in January, and I still believe that Amash is the only possible candidate who could take the Libertarian party out of the sub 0.5% irrelevance basement in 2020. He'd have a real shot at 1.5-2% and being a big factor in MI.

I'm not rooting for him to get in because I want third parties to be irrelevant in 2020, but I do think Amash is the one guy who has a chance to make any third party not a complete joke in 2020.
Gabbard? Hawkins?
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« Reply #33 on: April 14, 2020, 12:27:25 PM »

I hate to be the one saying this because I'm on the left; Trump supporters are smart enough to know that a vote for Amash is a wasted vote. The far left is worried about being "morally superior", and "virtous", "principled" are definitely "Hollier Than Thou", they will vote for this guy or the green party nominee. At this point Nadar might as well run as well as he's the OG. It's not like he's 100, he's only 86.

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« Reply #34 on: April 14, 2020, 01:22:13 PM »

The Libertarian Party had one opportunity for relevance this cycle: talking Justin Amash into running for them. They didn't do it. Therefore, they have no chance at relevance whether they pick Chafee or just go with their guts and run Adam Kokesh.

Posted this back in January, and I still believe that Amash is the only possible candidate who could take the Libertarian party out of the sub 0.5% irrelevance basement in 2020. He'd have a real shot at 1.5-2% and being a big factor in MI.

I'm not rooting for him to get in because I want third parties to be irrelevant in 2020, but I do think Amash is the one guy who has a chance to make any third party not a complete joke in 2020.
Gabbard? Hawkins?
Hawkins is a joke and Gabbard endorsed Biden and has said since she launched her campaing she will not run third party I know Williamson said the same thing but shes the only democratic candidate I could realistically see running third party in the future she has the green party vibe
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« Reply #35 on: April 14, 2020, 02:11:44 PM »

I hate to be the one saying this because I'm on the left; Trump supporters are smart enough to know that a vote for Amash is a wasted vote. The far left is worried about being "morally superior", and "virtous", "principled" are definitely "Hollier Than Thou", they will vote for this guy or the green party nominee. At this point Nadar might as well run as well as he's the OG. It's not like he's 100, he's only 86.

It wouldn't be peeling off traditional conservatives so much as peeling off and energizing libertarians, especially ones who are usually disaffected or are independent/swing voters. Though they're still likely a miniscule amount of the electorate.

Here's a video of Nader from late 2019. He doesn't look great, but he sure sounds as sharp as he used to be, more or less

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZVajWvVsfo
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« Reply #36 on: April 14, 2020, 06:08:45 PM »

He doesn't have the money or the organization, if he got the Libertarian nod maybe, but not as an independent.
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« Reply #37 on: April 14, 2020, 09:46:42 PM »

Amash would be a relatively strong third party candidate but I tend to think it makes most sense for him to just focus on running for reelection to the House.  It's an uphill battle but at least he has a shot of winning, unlike a presidential campaign.
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« Reply #38 on: April 14, 2020, 10:02:50 PM »

Amash would be a relatively strong third party candidate but I tend to think it makes most sense for him to just focus on running for reelection to the House.  It's an uphill battle but at least he has a shot of winning, unlike a presidential campaign.
Making a splash on the national stage, and potentially being the swing that decides an entire presidential campaign's outcome even if he obviously won't serve as the winner, represents his chance to catapult forward a long career outside of this business. Not to mention far more valuable than a lowly House seat where he will be sidelined by effectively both parties from doing anything of worth or note, honestly.
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« Reply #39 on: April 14, 2020, 10:17:25 PM »

Please no. This would be a disaster that ensures trump’s victory.
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« Reply #40 on: April 14, 2020, 11:41:45 PM »

This tweet might be nothing, previous signs indicated that he wasn't interested in a 3rd party run.  Also, he's smart enough to know that a Lib nomination isn't a great career move- GJ was a popular Governor and now he's a punchline.

Even after I jumped on the Trump Train in 2017, I still hold a great deal of respect for Rep. Amash from my old (small l) libertarian days, and I wish more Trump fans did as well.

I'm really wondering who would be hurt the most. Biden or Tump ?

This.  There are good arguments for both.  Also, Michigan will prove to be a pivotal state if Biden looks strong in Pennsylvania.
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« Reply #41 on: April 16, 2020, 09:40:26 AM »

Ok, first of all, the R-WI guy above me has a fantastic and amazingly funny signature.

But I'm not worried one bit. Amash was and still is my favorite Representative (tied with Gaetz), and I think an Amash run would be good for the country. In 2016, not only did Trump win, but Gary Johnson and Dr. Stein both made very impactful candidacies that did not detract from victory. It was the best possible scenario. I don't think I'll ever see another election in which all of the good candidates did well (Bernie, Johnson, Stein, Trump) without canibalizing each other.

Unlike our Democrat posters, I don't believe my candidate is entitled to the votes that Amash would receive.
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« Reply #42 on: April 16, 2020, 12:44:57 PM »

Article from the Dispatch on Amash considering run, also mentions that Jim Gray (judge and 2012 LP VP nominee) joined the race for the Libertarian nomination on Monday.

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For now, this is all one big hypothetical exercise. Amash hasn’t declared anything yet. But some—including the executive director of the Libertarian party—are straining to read the tea leaves.

Asked about Amash’s cryptic tweet earlier this week, Fishman pointed out he responded to a Libertarian activist named Hannah Cox. “I don’t think that he does things accidentally, I think that he chose to respond to her as opposed to all the other people who respond to his tweets,” he said. “He’s not playing a game or anything like that. I believe he is seriously thinking about it, as he should.”

Update: A few hours after this article was published, Justin Amash’s congressional campaign released the following statement: “In mid-February, Justin Amash paused active campaigning for his congressional seat to carefully consider a presidential run. He has been discussing the potential campaign with his family, his friends, his team and others and a decision can be expected soon.”
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« Reply #43 on: April 16, 2020, 04:07:32 PM »

I'm really wondering who would be hurt the most. Biden or Tump ?

Ask Hillary Clinton who would be hurt the most by having prominent third party nominees.
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« Reply #44 on: April 16, 2020, 04:24:21 PM »

I know a few never trumper libertarians who were planing on not voting in november but would likely vote for amash if he entered Im still unsure on who this hurts more I think his main impact will definetly be in Michigan where hes likely to get more than 5%
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« Reply #45 on: April 16, 2020, 04:49:35 PM »

If another Republican running were to actually hurt the Democrat, that Democrat was gonna lose anyway.

Biden will be fine. NeverTrump Republicans, in addition to being not that numerous, are highly educated and going to be concerned with things like electability, which Amash would not have. His base is borderline non-existent.
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« Reply #46 on: April 16, 2020, 04:50:03 PM »

No.  He should stay in the House, where he is a beacon of sanity (even though I disagree with him on most issues).

The problem with that is he has next to zero chance winning re-election as an independent
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« Reply #47 on: April 16, 2020, 05:07:06 PM »

No.  He should stay in the House, where he is a beacon of sanity (even though I disagree with him on most issues).

The problem with that is he has next to zero chance winning re-election as an independent

Well, it's gotta be larger than his chance of winning the Presidency as a Libertarian. Wink
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« Reply #48 on: April 16, 2020, 05:47:53 PM »

If he runs, he's an egomaniac who is blissfully ignorant that he'd enable Trump's re-election. He should endorse Biden and urge Trump supporters on the edge to vote for Joe.
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« Reply #49 on: April 17, 2020, 06:33:07 AM »

If he runs, he's an egomaniac who is blissfully ignorant that he'd enable Trump's re-election. He should endorse Biden and urge Trump supporters on the edge to vote for Joe.

With all due respect to Amash, how many pols aren't egotists, at least to some degree?
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