Wisconsin hates Hillary?

[iceman]

Hillary lost in the 2008 primaries. Lost it to Bernie in the 2016 primaries, then to Trump in the general.

Thoughts?

[Mexican Wolf]

This is really something interesting and somewhat bizarre to think about.

In 2008, she ran a campaign with strong appeal to white working class voters and lost to Obama by 18%. Then in 2016, she ran as an advocate for building on Obama's policies and with a more diverse coalition, and lost by 14% and every county except Milwaukee to Sanders.

Also, it was the only Great Lakes state besides Minnesota that she didn't win at least once in an election.

I agree with people who say that Clinton should've campaigned more in the upper Rust Belt states in the general, but looking at the primary results, it seems like Wisconsin voters weren't keen on her no matter how she presented herself.

[Hydera]

In 2008 Obama from what i read at the time had some runoff appeal in the upper midwest because he was from Chicago. Also wisconsin dems weren't as right wing in comparison to Indiana dems(the rurals of which voted for hillary). Obama's outside the establishment message(obviously which was never strong as bernie's anti-establishment message) had some appeal there.

In 2016 she lost Wisconsin again due to the general WWC distrust of Hillary.

[El Betico]

Also Michigan and Iowa have similar patterns...in 2008 she won Michigan in the primary without Obama on the ballot( the State was punished for moving its primary before ST,  violating party rules) and with only 55% of the votes despite being the only serious candidate on the ballot( uncommitted option had 40%), in 2016 lost narrowly with Sanders and Trump despite having in both cases a certain adventage in the polls...in Iowa she lost to Obama in 2008 in a momentous vote, won by a nail-biter against Sanders in 2016 primary( at least in the State delegates count, maybe the popular vote was different) and lost big vs Trump...definitely these three States are not her territory. In Ohio and Pennsylvania, on the other hand, she defeated both Obama and Sanders and not by few, before losing against Trump...I wonder  why OH and PA primaries didn't highlight the same problems for her in the Region that the other three States showed clearly twice.

[MIKESOWELL]

This is one of the reasons why I think Trump will perform considerably worse in Wisconsin this time around.

[Hydera]

Also Michigan and Iowa have similar patterns...in 2008 she won Michigan in the primary without Obama on the ballot( the State was punished for moving its primary before ST,  violating party rules) and with only 55% of the votes despite being the only serious candidate on the ballot( uncommitted option had 40%), in 2016 lost narrowly with Sanders and Trump despite having in both cases a certain adventage in the polls...in Iowa she lost to Obama in 2008 in a momentous vote, won by a nail-biter against Sanders in 2016 primary( at least in the State delegates count, maybe the popular vote was different) and lost big vs Trump...definitely these three States are not her territory. In Ohio and Pennsylvania, on the other hand, she defeated both Obama and Sanders and not by few, before losing against Trump...I wonder  why OH and PA primaries didn't highlight the same problems for her in the Region that the other three States showed clearly twice.

Hillary clobbered Obama in Ohio and Pennsylvania in 2008 due to some racialized polarization amongst white dems that happened less with whites in Illinois, Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin.

I heard in Ohio she won in 2016 only because some sanders supporters decided to skip the democratic ballot to vote for Kasich to beat trump in the state. Although im sure she would had won but instead of 10 points it would be 2-4%. In Pennsylvania she won because yes its a closed primary but a lot of potential anti-hillary pro-trump dems that would had voted for Bernie just because they disliked Hillary had switched to the republican party or stayed home(Bernie was pretty much losing when the Pennsylvania primary happened which probably reduced his turnout).