Best and worst countries on COVID-19 response

[Mike88]

“China has had several outbreaks begin there!”
Yes, that tends to happen when you are a very densely/highly populated nation with a meat-eating culture. The illegal meat trade doesn’t help.

Yes I forgot the EU wasn't a highly dense territory with half a billion people and that all European are vegeterians.

“China is responsible for hiding the pandemic!”
No, local officials in Hubei are responsible for hiding the pandemic. If the governer of Georgia hides something, that isn’t a reflection of the US national government, and the same logic applies to China.

January 14th the CPC in Beijing were well into the crisis and were still telling foreign journalists that there was no human-to-human contact.

Its a reflection on the culture of fear within the Chinese Communist Party bureaucracy that cares more about their neo-Confucian ideas of "saving face" that actual good policy. To not responsabilise a highly centralised, 1-party totalitarian bureaucracy that is federal only in name is pure delusion. Do you think the CPC Central Leadership isn't responsible for locking under a million Uyghurs in camps either?

“Western Countries wouldn’t have allowed this to happen!”
Dubious claim. Especially considering swine flu did come from the West. That being said, Swine Flu is obviously very different and can’t be compared to Covid-19. Still, I doubt the US would actually contain the virus if it started here. Heck, Trump would probably downplay it in the way people accuse China of doing.

The West, as in the developed North, have far greater health standards, crisis management techniques and built and funded institutions such as the WHO to counter these kind of crises. I mean we did some terrible sh**t as a block during the Cold War but I actually happen to think the standards I've listed above are a positive net gain to humanity. I don't think its a particular coincidence that when China is invited to join these multilateral institutions like the WHO it becomes a puppet organisation to their interests, because the Chinese cultural idea of rule of law and objective, multilateral institutions that judge on these things is none existant. That doesn't make them inferior to us, it just makes their current political elite not suitable for the multilateral world we are trying to create to be able to tackle these humanity-wide problems objectively.

China is lying about their data!”
Yet another claim with no proof. While it is remotely possible that China has faked case numbers, that seems quite unlikely for several reasons. Firstly, WHO believes their numbers (No the WHO is not a Chinese puppet, the fact conspiracies like this are mainstream is appalling) China reopened their country after months of quarantine, The makeshift hospitals in Wuhan are closing, China took strong measures to fight the virus, and we haven’t seen any exported cases from China recently. The reason China beat the virus is because they aren’t afraid of self-absorbed civilians crying about any disruptions to their daily life. Unlike the American government, they can see the bigger picture and knew that heavy short term sacrifices were worth not having the virus.

You know how we could confirm your assertions? By having independent actors on the ground during the crisis. Do you know who blocks international actors on the ground? the CPC.

And the Director of the WHO was elected through Chinese and allies support, and China has a large funding presence in the WHO (partly because of SARS, which is to their credit, but it still is a conflict of interest if they are pulling strings).

https://www.institutmontaigne.org/en/blog/fighting-coronavirus-pandemic-chinas-influence-world-health-organization

“B-b-but SARS!”
America has a record of lying about things. Should we doubt their data?

SARS was a warning. Countries like Taiwan and South Korea heeded that warning, they responded to this accordingly. Countries like the PRC, where the virus emerged in the first place, failed to acknowledge the textbook rule of crisis management, which is the principle of precaution. The CPC are failing the principle of precaution on the Environment too, because they are a rich, corrupt state-sponsored elite that is looking first and foremost at expanding Chinese capital in the world through the BRI, and buying up Western capital to hide from their own taxmen. These are mediocre, greedy corrupt bureaucrats, that are at the hands of a 1.4 billion country, and you are shilling for them.

“China bad, China bad, China bad!”
Okay, China bad, are you happy now?

*Peoples Republic of China, and specifically the Communist Party of China. Its important we make a distinction between the Party and the People. Yes I am going to ing oppose what I see as the biggest threat to democracy, good governance and our livelihood, litterally buying the loyalty of entire member-states in the EU. The biggest strategic threat, far greater than the USSR, that we have ever faced. But the West is too busy self-flagellating itself.

beep boop back to r/sino, robot. 

Hear, hear, JosepBroz!.

[Mike88]

Turkmenistan, Tajikistan and N Korea *still* claiming officially no cases

Turkmenistan banned Coronavirus, so, yeah.