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ilikeverin
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« Reply #50 on: May 22, 2004, 08:50:24 PM »

I favor school uniforms, they work as a way to put people on an equal playing feild. I see no problem with school uniforms.

What equal playing field? WTF are you talking about? If a kid slacks off it's his own damn fault, not his clothes. If he wants to fail and wear some ugly designer shirt in the process, let him.

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« Reply #51 on: May 22, 2004, 08:54:49 PM »


But James Madison clearly does not: the First Amendment means what it says about freedom of speech.
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« Reply #52 on: May 22, 2004, 09:15:28 PM »

Forcing people to dress alike so that they may be equal is Marxism at its worst. Even we radical leftists can accept that some people dress nicer than others, and forcing everyone to wear a drab, ugly garment isn't at the forefront of the class struggle.
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« Reply #53 on: May 22, 2004, 09:21:51 PM »

1998 : Whoever ran agains the Democratic Mayor of Baltimore (I don't remember anymore)
2000 Primary: McCain
2000 General : George Bush
2000 Representative : Mike Bilrakis (R)
2000 HiSpeed Rail : Yea (Passed)
2002 Florida Governer : JEB! Bush
2002 Indoor smoking ban referendum : Nay(Passed)
2002 Class size amendment: Nay (Passed Sad )
2004 Plant City City Council Commissioner : Marsha Passmore (lost in runoff Sad )
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« Reply #54 on: May 22, 2004, 09:24:20 PM »

Yes, and just to clear up any confusion some may have about where I stand: Clinton supported uniforms, and I opposed him so strongly that I ended up voting for some little-known crank in the primary who was running against him. It was an act of sheer desperation. I was 22 at the time.

At the age of 30, I still oppose uniforms as vehemently as I ever did.

People think it's not a big issue, but it is. If it affects young people, it can shape their whole outlook for the rest of their lives.

If large numbers of young people are programmed to put up with school uniforms, they will be more likely to accept tyranny as an adult. It turns them into docile workers.
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« Reply #55 on: May 22, 2004, 09:30:20 PM »

I don't know, but I think that in a regular primary or secondary school, uniforms are way out of place, since uniforms force people to accept a certain way of thinking.
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« Reply #56 on: May 22, 2004, 09:31:08 PM »

Uniforms keep kids from killing each other over 150$ nikes...
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« Reply #57 on: May 22, 2004, 09:35:05 PM »

I would suggest to those people, obviously of the lower cognitive classes, that spending that much on shoes is unwise if they're not aesthetically tasteful. I for one would take umbrage to wearing uniforms. My high school was a private one, and we had uniforms, but I didn't mind them because they seethed of sexual tension just below the surface. But when I see the compulsory drab raiment donned by some public school children because their classmates are clad in forma pauperis, I can see why they object. So ugly, so pointless.
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« Reply #58 on: May 22, 2004, 09:35:37 PM »

Uniforms keep kids from killing each other over 150$ nikes...

No it does not!  Kids need to be able to wear whatever they want. Uniforms make us like everyone else. We have our own mind, body, way we do things. If you want your kids to wear a uniforms then make them. But I will never wear a uniforms.
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« Reply #59 on: May 22, 2004, 09:59:22 PM »

Forcing people to dress alike so that they may be equal is Marxism at its worst. Even we radical leftists can accept that some people dress nicer than others, and forcing everyone to wear a drab, ugly garment isn't at the forefront of the class struggle.

agreed. i am completely opposed to school uniforms.

and there was little problem at my school over clothes. in fact, the only conflicts was the kids who wore those stupid prep brands were the ones that were picked on, not the other way around.
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« Reply #60 on: May 22, 2004, 10:14:08 PM »

Forcing people to dress alike so that they may be equal is Marxism at its worst. Even we radical leftists can accept that some people dress nicer than others, and forcing everyone to wear a drab, ugly garment isn't at the forefront of the class struggle.

agreed. i am completely opposed to school uniforms.

and there was little problem at my school over clothes. in fact, the only conflicts was the kids who wore those stupid prep brands were the ones that were picked on, not the other way around.
Hey I wear the " stupid prep brands".
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« Reply #61 on: May 23, 2004, 06:37:19 AM »

I don't know, but I think that in a regular primary or secondary school, uniforms are way out of place, since uniforms force people to accept a certain way of thinking.

I am sorry to say that is certainly not true, uniforms do NOT force people to accept a certain way of thinking. In the UK as far as I know every secondary school has a uniform, I have had to wear one for the past 5 years (almost) and it has not forced me to think in a certain way nor my friends.

I don't like uniforms much, but I don't see them as a major problem, if you allow kids to wear whatever they want then there will be a high chance that a load of people will be bullied because of the clothes they wear where they would not be if they are wearing a uniform as they are all dressed the same.

Uniforms also help with security believe it or not, it makes the children from a particular school easily identifiable which helps to prevent random people wandering into a school off the street and stealing things from people's lockers/bags.

On the issue of cost, uniforms are not THAT expensive, my local comprehensive, which, although I do not go to, I know the uniform costs no more than £50 in total and in fact is probably between £20 and £30, not such a great amount of money. Besides, having children wear what they want could be arguably more expensive as they have to keep getting new clothes to keep up with the latest trends at school which could cost a hell of a lot more money.

Don't get me wrong, I would love to wear my own clothes, but I have no problem with uniforms.
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« Reply #62 on: May 23, 2004, 09:00:33 AM »

I am opposed to school unforms, but I would not renounce support for a candidate just because he supports them.
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« Reply #63 on: May 23, 2004, 09:05:38 AM »

I think Zorkpolitics voted in 1972, he's 50 or something like that.

I don't care much about school uniforms either way.
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« Reply #64 on: May 23, 2004, 09:51:02 AM »

I can't vote in this election my 18th birthday is 6 days after the election but if I could vote I'd vote for Nader.

If I could've voted (from 1968 to present):

1968-Humphrey
1972-McGovern
1976-Carter
1980-not sure (possibly Carter)
1984-Mondale
1988-Dukakis
1992-Perot
1996-Clinton
2000-Bush
2004-Nader or Socialist candidate (Walt Brown)
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« Reply #65 on: May 23, 2004, 10:04:23 AM »
« Edited: May 23, 2004, 10:05:24 AM by bandit73 »

In the UK as far as I know every secondary school has a uniform,

I don't know about the U.K., but I know that in Queensland in Australia the education department issued a statement that said public schools cannot require uniforms. I wish someone in America would issue a statement like that.

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My experience has been the exact opposite.
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« Reply #66 on: May 23, 2004, 10:54:06 AM »

In the UK as far as I know every secondary school has a uniform,

I don't know about the U.K., but I know that in Queensland in Australia the education department issued a statement that said public schools cannot require uniforms. I wish someone in America would issue a statement like that.

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My experience has been the exact opposite.

What? People bullying people within their school for the uniform, it is highly unlikely the uniform is causing the bullying if they are all wearing it.....
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« Reply #67 on: May 23, 2004, 11:13:41 AM »
« Edited: May 23, 2004, 11:13:52 AM by Senator Harry, PPT-Senate »

I can't vote because I don't turn 18 until Nov 14.

Anyhow, here's how I would have voted in every election:

1840--Harrison
1844--Polk! {I think I like Polk as much as PB likes Hoover Smiley }
1848--Cass
1852--Pierce
1856--Fremont
1860--Bell
1864--Lincoln
1868--Grant
1872--Grant
1876--Tilden
1880--Garfield
1884--Cleveland {no good choices}
1888--Cleveland {no good choices}
1892--Weaver
1896--Bryan
1900--McKinley
1904--Roosevelt
1908--Bryan
1912--Roosevelt
1916--Wilson
1920--Cox
1924--Davis
1928--Smith
1932--FDR
1936--FDR
1940--FDR
1944--FDR
1948--Truman
1952--Eisenhower
1956--Eisenhower
1960--Kennedy
1964--LBJ
1968--Humphrey
1972--McGovern
1976--Carter
1980--Carter
1984--Mondale
1988--Dukakis
1992--Clinton
1996--Clinton
2000--Gore
2004--Kerry
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« Reply #68 on: May 23, 2004, 11:58:44 AM »
« Edited: May 23, 2004, 12:21:03 PM by President Nym90 »

Afleitch and Elcorazon--

You should register to vote in the fantasy elections. We have a presidential election coming up in June. If you do not currently have a US avatar, you will need either a statement somewhere in your signature saying what your home state is, or else change your avatar to a US state...you'll have to pick a US state as your home state. Here's the link...

http://www.uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?board=13;action=display;threadid=2153;start=330
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« Reply #69 on: May 23, 2004, 12:09:12 PM »

I was a few weeks to young in 1996 (and no US citizens o/c), but I would have voted Nader if he was on the ballot in my state.
In 2000, it depends on the state. In battleground states I'd have had some hard thinking to do in the final days, likely ending up voting Gore and casting some protest votes further down the ballot, elsewhere I'd have voted Nader. This time I would be voting ABB.

My real voting history...
1997 Local elections
Greens for the Ward council (whatever I'm supposed to call it in English) and the Umlandverband (a city-and-suburbs talkshop that has since been abolished), some far-out left list for the City council
1998 Federal Elections
Direct vote Chance 2000, (important) lproportional vote Greens
1999 State Elections
ditto
1999 European Elections
PDS
2001 Local Elections
We got a new election law that gives you as many votes as there are seats to fill, and the Greens got somewhere like two-thirds of my votes for City and ward, with the rest splattered over SPD, PDS, and for the city Ökolinx, fun and FAG.
2001 Mayoral Elections
Jutta Ebeling (Greens) in the first round, Achim Vandreike (SPD) in the runoff
2002 Federal Elections
PDS direct vote, Greens proportional vote
2003 State Elections
SPD direct vote, Greens proportional vote
2004 Euro elections (coming up)
Greens
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« Reply #70 on: May 23, 2004, 01:00:03 PM »

Heres my long list- of both UK and US choices from 1940 onwards. If I could have voted that is! It took ages to think about too!

1940- US- Roosevelt (DEM)
1944- US- Roosevelt (DEM)
1945- UK- Labour (Clement Attlee)
1948- US- Truman (DEM)
1950- UK- Labour (Clement Attlee)
1951- UK- Conservative (Winston Churchill)
1952- US- Stevenson (DEM)
1955- UK- Conservative (Anthony Eden)
1956- US- Eisenhower (REP)
1959- UK- Conservative (Harold MacMillan)
1960- US- Kennedy (DEM)
1964- UK- Labour (Harold Wilson)
1964- US- Johnson (DEM)
1966- UK- Labour (Harold Wilson)
1968- US- Nixon (REP)
1970- UK- Labour (Harold Wison)
1972- US- Nixon (REP)
1974- UK- Conservative (Edward Heath) February
1974- UK- Conservative (Edward Heath) October
1976- US- Carter (DEM)
1979- UK- Labour (James Callaghan)
1980- US- Carter (DEM)
1983- UK- SDP
1984- US- Reagan (REP)
1987- UK- Conservative (Margaret Thatcher)
1988- US- Dukakis (DEM)
1992- UK- Labour (Neil Kinnock)
1992- US- Clinton (DEM)
1996- US- Clinton (DEM)
1997- UK- Labour (Tony Blair)
2000- US- Gore (DEM)
2001- UK- Labour (Tony Blair)

Phew! Still, it shows a centrist like me would have a bi-partisan voting record in both countries.
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« Reply #71 on: May 23, 2004, 03:15:33 PM »

1988:   primary - Dukakis             general - Dukakis
1992:   primary - Tsongas            general - Clinton
1996:   primary - did not vote      general - Clinton
2000:   primary - Bradley             general - Nader
2004:   primary - Bush                 general - (probably) Bush
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« Reply #72 on: May 23, 2004, 03:46:56 PM »

1988:   primary - Dukakis             general - Dukakis
1992:   primary - Tsongas            general - Clinton
1996:   primary - did not vote      general - Clinton
2000:   primary - Bradley             general - Nader
2004:   primary - Bush                 general - (probably) Bush

What happened?
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« Reply #73 on: May 24, 2004, 04:54:30 AM »

I was a few weeks to young in 1996 (and no US citizens o/c), but I would have voted Nader if he was on the ballot in my state.
In 2000, it depends on the state. In battleground states I'd have had some hard thinking to do in the final days, likely ending up voting Gore and casting some protest votes further down the ballot, elsewhere I'd have voted Nader. This time I would be voting ABB.

My real voting history...
1997 Local elections
Greens for the Ward council (whatever I'm supposed to call it in English) and the Umlandverband (a city-and-suburbs talkshop that has since been abolished), some far-out left list for the City council
1998 Federal Elections
Direct vote Chance 2000, (important) lproportional vote Greens
1999 State Elections
ditto
1999 European Elections
PDS
2001 Local Elections
We got a new election law that gives you as many votes as there are seats to fill, and the Greens got somewhere like two-thirds of my votes for City and ward, with the rest splattered over SPD, PDS, and for the city Ökolinx, fun and FAG.
2001 Mayoral Elections
Jutta Ebeling (Greens) in the first round, Achim Vandreike (SPD) in the runoff
2002 Federal Elections
PDS direct vote, Greens proportional vote
2003 State Elections
SPD direct vote, Greens proportional vote
2004 Euro elections (coming up)
Greens

1999 local elections
Each time one vote for a FDP candidate (Gerry Kley), one vote for a Green candidate (can´t recall the name Wink) and one vote for a candidate of Neues Forum (Peter Jeschke).

2000 mayoral elections
Ingrid Häußler (SPD)

2000 mayoral run-off
Ingrid Häußler (SPD)

2002 state elections
Both direct (Gerlinde Kuppe) and proportional vote for SPD

2002 federal elections
Direct vote for SPD (Christel Riemann-Hanewinckel) and proportional vote for Greens

2004 local elections / European elections (both on June 13)
I´m not totally sure yet. Probably SPD and/or Greens in some combination.
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« Reply #74 on: May 24, 2004, 04:58:08 AM »

Well, 2002 was my first vote but I threw in a few past ones I would have voted for for fun.

1980 REAGAN
1984 REAGAN
1988 BUSH
1992 BUSH
1996 CLINTON
2000 BUSH  PRIMARY-MCCAIN

2002 AZ-

GOVERNOR: MATT SALMON (R)
SEC. OF STATE: JAN BREWER (R)
ATTORNEY GENERAL: TERRY GODDARD (D)
US REP DISTRICT UNK: JEFF FLAKE (R)
EVERYTHING ELSE REPUBLICAN TOO

AND IF I WAS A RESIDENT OF WASHINGTON, I WOULD HAVE VOTED AGAINST PATTY MURRAY IN 92 AND 98
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