In what ways would the world be different today if Trump never ran in 2016?

[jake_arlington]

Who would have won the 2016 primaries on both sides? The general? How would the 2024 presidential race currently be unfolding? How about the overall political situation at present, then?

What would Trump himself do? Run in 2024? Under which party's banner, or as an indy?

And what, in your view, do people get wrong so often about him? Would the world be drastically different than it is today, or still quite similar to Earth #2?

[America Needs a 13-6 Progressive SCOTUS]

Obamacare would have been repealed in 2017.

[Catalyst138]

Hillary would be President. There’s no way she would have lost to someone like Cruz, Jeb or Rubio. Maybe Kasich but he wouldn’t win the primary anyway.

[UWS]

Hillary would be President. There’s no way she would have lost to someone like Cruz, Jeb or Rubio. Maybe Kasich but he wouldn’t win the primary anyway.

Of course Jeb, Cruz or Rubio would be able to win against Clinton. The reason why she lost is because she was not honest and trustworthy as she used a private email server during her time as Secretary of State and deleted over 30 000 emails. And she lied to families of the victims in Benghazi telling them that a video was responsible of this attack i. September 11 2012 while she knew that this was a terrorist attack and when asked about it in Congress she even answered "What difference at this point does it make?" The moreover it was in a time in which 5 major terrorist attacks were committed on the US or our allies. The moreover that these candidates were beating Clinton in Colorado.

[Agonized-Statism]

Fmr. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton (D-NY) / Senator Tim Kaine (D-VA) ✓
Senator Ted Cruz (R-TX) / Businesswoman Carly Fiorina (R-CA)

President Hillary Clinton (D-NY) / Vice President Tim Kaine (D-VA)
Senator Rand Paul (R-KY) / Fmr. Governor Nikki Haley (R-SC) ✓

[Badger]

Hillary would be President. There’s no way she would have lost to someone like Cruz, Jeb or Rubio. Maybe Kasich but he wouldn’t win the primary anyway.

Of course Jeb, Cruz or Rubio would be able to win against Clinton. The reason why she lost is because she was not honest and trustworthy as she used a private email server during her time as Secretary of State and deleted over 30 000 emails. And she lied to families of the victims in Benghazi telling them that a video was responsible of this attack i. September 11 2012 while she knew that this was a terrorist attack and when asked about it in Congress she even answered "What difference at this point does it make?" The moreover it was in a time in which 5 major terrorist attacks were committed on the US or our allies. The moreover that these candidates were beating Clinton in Colorado.

I'll take Fox News talking points that no one in the real world gives a s*** about for 500, Alex.

[Amtrak Joe]

Hillary would be President. There’s no way she would have lost to someone like Cruz, Jeb or Rubio. Maybe Kasich but he wouldn’t win the primary anyway.

Of course Jeb, Cruz or Rubio would be able to win against Clinton. The reason why she lost is because she was not honest and trustworthy as she used a private email server during her time as Secretary of State and deleted over 30 000 emails. And she lied to families of the victims in Benghazi telling them that a video was responsible of this attack i. September 11 2012 while she knew that this was a terrorist attack and when asked about it in Congress she even answered "What difference at this point does it make?" The moreover it was in a time in which 5 major terrorist attacks were committed on the US or our allies. The moreover that these candidates were beating Clinton in Colorado.

I'll take Fox News talking points that no one in the real world gives a s*** about for 500, Alex.

You have to agree though, there are enough voters to believe that. Fox News is comfort food for the not-so-bright.

[Coldstream]

I think Clinton would have narrowly beaten Cruz, but I expect without Trump present Rubio wins the nomination and Rubio wins (assuming Comey still  announces his investigation) with a similar map to what happened IRL but perhaps the popular vote is closer.

[Pericles]

President Rubio and Vice President Haley maybe?

[Nightcore Nationalist]

Hillary wins a 278 squeaker against Ted Cruz, she's down to 40-42 senate seats and has roughly the same approval rating as Trump does on Earth 1.   I honestly think Rubio had a decent chance against Clinton though, but the moderate lane would be split between him, Kasich and Bush while Cruz would absorb Carson/Paul support for a decent plurality.


Not sure who the presumptive nominee would be, Paul Ryan wanted to retire from politics regardless and Mike Pence was already fairly unpopular in IN by 2016.

[Burke Bro]

Trump, in many ways, was the inevitable outcome of a Republican Party that over the past couple of decades has become increasingly radicalized by the right-wing media machine and fears of a more racially/religiously diverse America. If Trump didn't run in 2016, I assume someone different would've filled his role and rode a radical right-wing populist message to victory, in both the primaries and general election. I can't see Clinton winning in 2016, as she was quite unpopular and a Clinton victory would've contradicted the 2-term rule that has restrained partisan control of the white house for most of recent history.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

Ted Cruz would be Prez, than Trump, he was well prepared for Hilary as was Trump. If the Wikileaks was the same, Cruz could of beaten Hilary. Trump/Pence problem cant crack into the Latino base in CO and NV. Jeb, Cruz or Rubio could make a run at NH and NV and even VA, the states that flipped in 2008.that gave OBAMA and Dems the coalition that they have now

[Agonized-Statism]

A Clinton victory would've contradicted the 2-term rule that has restrained partisan control of the white house for most of recent history.

George H.W. Bush?

[President of the great nation of 🏳️‍⚧️]

A Clinton victory would've contradicted the 2-term rule that has restrained partisan control of the white house for most of recent history.

George H.W. Bush?

Most of recent history. 41 is an exception.

[Agonized-Statism]

A Clinton victory would've contradicted the 2-term rule that has restrained partisan control of the white house for most of recent history.

George H.W. Bush?

Most of recent history. 41 is an exception.

And Clinton could easily have been an exception, especially if she was up against someone else in the GOP field without significant WWC appeal.