Resist The Authoritarian Response To The Coronavirus

[brucejoel99]

Assuming the government wants us locked up for over a year like the study from Imperial College recommended, all I can do is quote Patrick Henry:
"Give me liberty or give me death!"

A life without freedom and in total isolation is no life at all.

You don't have the freedom to give other people death.

[T'Chenka]

Assuming the government wants us locked up for over a year like the study from Imperial College recommended, all I can do is quote Patrick Henry:
"Give me liberty or give me death!"

A life without freedom and in total isolation is no life at all.

Quarantine-violating traitors will be shot on sight.

[It’s so Joever]

A year is probably way overboard.
Let’s just keep the lockdown for 8 weeks and then reassess the situation.

[Lechasseur]

You're really a bunch of brainwashed cucks aren't you?

Do you really accept being locked up at home for 18 months?

My God, this is how totaltarianism starts

[T'Chenka]

You're really a bunch of brainwashed cucks aren't you?

Do you really accept being locked up at home for 18 months?

My God, this is how totaltarianism starts

PTemporary partial totalitarianism is NORMAL is a NATIONAL EMERGENCY situation.

[Skill and Chance]

I don't usually say things like this, but those of you decrying the "authoritarian" response are nuts.

Give the government control to totally shut down your social life, keep you indoors, etc and good luck ever putting that back into its box.  Our freedoms are a lot more important than a virus with a 2% fataility rate.  Sorry, I said it.  I mean it.

 
Would you support doing this for something as deadly as smallpox (>20% fatality rate, overwhelming majority of population likely to be infected if no action taken)?  For something like the 1300's Black Death (>50% total fatality rate, 30-60% for more common bubonic type, >90% for less common pneumonic type, also likely to spread throughout the population)?  Or not at all?

[It’s so Joever]

Also, we really can’t go off of one study that says 18 months is needed.
As bad as this virus is, it still is not that hard to defeat. What we need is 2 months of Wuhan style lockdown across the country, and gradual easing of restrictions afterwards. During those two months, a ****ton of resources must go into testing and isolating any new cases.
Afterwards we must conduct large scale testing to check for clusters, and contain those areas as needed while allowing the rest of the country to get back to work.
Once we reduce the number of cases, we can go the Singapore/South Korea containment route.

[Green Line]

You're really a bunch of brainwashed cucks aren't you?

Do you really accept being locked up at home for 18 months?

My God, this is how totaltarianism starts

PTemporary partial totalitarianism is NORMAL is a NATIONAL EMERGENCY situation.

“Temporary partial totalitarianism”. 😂😂😂😂😂

Keep telling yourself that, you poor naive child.

[Lechasseur]

You're really a bunch of brainwashed cucks aren't you?

Do you really accept being locked up at home for 18 months?

My God, this is how totaltarianism starts

PTemporary partial totalitarianism is NORMAL is a NATIONAL EMERGENCY situation.

We're going to lose two years of our lives, we'll all be mentally ill at the end of this and their won't be any jobs at the end of this! We'll end up in homeless shelters at the end! Is that worth it?

[brucejoel99]

You're really a bunch of brainwashed cucks aren't you?

Do you really accept being locked up at home for 18 months?

My God, this is how totaltarianism starts

What of the collective freedom of us all?

How are you free if you're elderly & a random infected person decides to go out & about willy-nilly & infect each & every person in their path, who will then go on to infect more & more people, who will then go on to infect even more & more people, & so on?

How are you free if you're immunocompromised & can't do anything to stop people from giving you this virus?

You don't have the freedom to sentence neither the elderly nor immunocompromised to suffer & potentially even die because, unlike you, society as a whole actually gives a rat's ass about preserving the collective freedom & has decided that more freedom is preserved by restricting your right to spread this virus than it is to allow it.

[T'Chenka]

You're really a bunch of brainwashed cucks aren't you?

Do you really accept being locked up at home for 18 months?

My God, this is how totaltarianism starts

PTemporary partial totalitarianism is NORMAL is a NATIONAL EMERGENCY situation.

We're going to lose two years of our lives, we'll all be mentally ill at the end of this and their won't be any jobs at the end of this! We'll end up in homeless shelters at the end! Is that worth it?

We won't all be mentally ill and despite a high unemployment rate there will be many jobs. Governments have already commited im some countries to delaying and cancelling evictions and mortgage defaults. You are fake news.

[It’s so Joever]

Off topic, but it’s kind of interesting how Biden supporters are simultaneously both the most, and least supportive of these shutdown measures.

[brucejoel99]

Off topic, but it’s kind of interesting how Biden supporters are simultaneously both the most, and least supportive of these shutdown measures.

[lfromnj]

You're really a bunch of brainwashed cucks aren't you?

Do you really accept being locked up at home for 18 months?

My God, this is how totaltarianism starts

PTemporary partial totalitarianism is NORMAL is a NATIONAL EMERGENCY situation.

We're going to lose two years of our lives, we'll all be mentally ill at the end of this and their won't be any jobs at the end of this! We'll end up in homeless shelters at the end! Is that worth it?

We won't all be mentally ill and despite a high unemployment rate there will be many jobs. Governments have already commited im some countries to delaying and cancelling evictions and mortgage defaults. You are fake news.

Im sure cancelling evictions and mortgage defaulting for 18 months will have absolutely no ill effects.

[Skill and Chance]

I am hopeful we can switch to more intermediate measures in 2-3 months.  Hopefully there is a middle ground even if normal life can't return until there's a vaccine.

[T'Chenka]

You're really a bunch of brainwashed cucks aren't you?

Do you really accept being locked up at home for 18 months?

My God, this is how totaltarianism starts

PTemporary partial totalitarianism is NORMAL is a NATIONAL EMERGENCY situation.

“Temporary partial totalitarianism”. 😂😂😂😂😂

Keep telling yourself that, you poor naive child.

It's literally happened hundreds of times, for example World War 2 (UK, Allied France) and 9/11 (just at the NYC local level).

[It’s so Joever]

I am hopeful we can switch to more intermediate measures in 2-3 months.  Hopefully there is a middle ground even if normal life can't return until there's a vaccine.

Honestly we probably can if things start to look better.
It’s good to have restrictive measures now, but eventually we will have to return to the workplace, even if in a slightly modified manner.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Nobody is seriously talking about a 18-month lockdown. That would obviously be unenforceable as well as being, yes, more economically ruinous than our society can reasonably afford.

The virus will probably stay with us for 18 months or longer, but what we're trying to do here is get through the peak of the infection, and do so gradually enough that hospitals aren't overwhelmed. There are many estimates of how long that will take, but to my knowledge it shouldn't be more than a couple months.

However, for it to actually work, we need to go on lockdown right now. This means people need to quit being babies or LARPing as brave rebels, suck it up, and stay home for a few months. It also means the state should provide immediate economic relief to everyone who needs it. If we're actually serious enough to do this thing, we'll be able to go back to our daily lives soon and minimize deaths as much as possible. If not, then whatever happens next is something we'll have brought onto ourselves.

[It’s so Joever]

You're really a bunch of brainwashed cucks aren't you?

Do you really accept being locked up at home for 18 months?

My God, this is how totaltarianism starts

PTemporary partial totalitarianism is NORMAL is a NATIONAL EMERGENCY situation.

“Temporary partial totalitarianism”. 😂😂😂😂😂

Keep telling yourself that, you poor naive child.

It's literally happened hundreds of times, for example World War 2 (UK, Allied France) and 9/11 (just at the NYC local level).

“It’s Roosevelt, not Hitler, the World should fear!” -Libertarians/right wingers in the 1940’s
“It’s the government, not Covid, the World should fear!” -Libertarians/right wingers now.
Don’t worry, this is nothing new.

[Associate Justice PiT]

You're really a bunch of brainwashed cucks aren't you?

Do you really accept being locked up at home for 18 months?

My God, this is how totaltarianism starts

PTemporary partial totalitarianism is NORMAL is a NATIONAL EMERGENCY situation.

We're going to lose two years of our lives, we'll all be mentally ill at the end of this and their won't be any jobs at the end of this! We'll end up in homeless shelters at the end! Is that worth it?

We won't all be mentally ill and despite a high unemployment rate there will be many jobs. Governments have already commited im some countries to delaying and cancelling evictions and mortgage defaults. You are fake news.

Im sure cancelling evictions and mortgage defaulting for 18 months will have absolutely no ill effects.

     Yeah, 18 months would basically wipe out the country's economy. I'm hoping this only lasts a few weeks, but time will tell.

[Green Line]

Nobody is seriously talking about a 18-month lockdown. That would obviously be unenforceable as well as being, yes, more economically ruinous than our society can reasonably afford.

The virus will probably stay with us for 18 months or longer, but what we're trying to do here is get through the peak of the infection, and do so gradually enough that hospitals aren't overwhelmed. There are many estimates of how long that will take, but to my knowledge it shouldn't be more than a couple months.

However, for it to actually work, we need to go on lockdown right now. This means people need to quit being babies or LARPing as brave rebels, suck it up, and stay home for a few months. It also means the state should provide immediate economic relief to everyone who needs it. If we're actually serious enough to do this thing, we'll be able to go back to our daily lives soon and minimize deaths as much as possible. If not, then whatever happens next is something we'll have brought onto ourselves.

“Stay home for a few months”.

Really, really privileged quote there Anthony.  People CANNOT stay home for a few months.  They will die,  in far far greater numbers than you can ever imagine.  We will have mass starvation and civil unrest.  You may be able to stay home for a few months, and good for you.  By all means do so if you feel it necessary.

And btw we have a bill of rights, including freedom of religion. Good luck trying to stop people from attending services for months on end.  It won’t happen.  I will be back in the Church soon, as will many others.

[Skill and Chance]

Nobody is seriously talking about a 18-month lockdown. That would obviously be unenforceable as well as being, yes, more economically ruinous than our society can reasonably afford.

The virus will probably stay with us for 18 months or longer, but what we're trying to do here is get through the peak of the infection, and do so gradually enough that hospitals aren't overwhelmed. There are many estimates of how long that will take, but to my knowledge it shouldn't be more than a couple months.

However, for it to actually work, we need to go on lockdown right now. This means people need to quit being babies or LARPing as brave rebels, suck it up, and stay home for a few months. It also means the state should provide immediate economic relief to everyone who needs it. If we're actually serious enough to do this thing, we'll be able to go back to our daily lives soon and minimize deaths as much as possible. If not, then whatever happens next is something we'll have brought onto ourselves.

“Stay home for a few months”.

Really, really privileged quote there Anthony.  People CANNOT stay home for a few months.  They will die,  in far far greater numbers than you can ever imagine.  We will have mass starvation and civil unrest.  You may be above to stay home for a few months, and good for you.  By all means do so if you feel it necessary.

There is a middle ground that would involve temperature checks at the entrances to the reopened local service businesses and better spaced seating, while the international flights and conferences stay cancelled/virtual until we have a vaccine.

[Former Dean Phillips Supporters for Haley (I guess???!?) 👁️]

I don't usually say things like this, but those of you decrying the "authoritarian" response are nuts.

Give the government control to totally shut down your social life, keep you indoors, etc and good luck ever putting that back into its box.  Our freedoms are a lot more important than a virus with a 2% fataility rate.  Sorry, I said it.  I mean it.

 
Would you support doing this for something as deadly as smallpox (>20% fatality rate, overwhelming majority of population likely to be infected if no action taken)?  For something like the 1300's Black Death (>50% total fatality rate, 30-60% for more common bubonic type, >90% for less common pneumonic type, also likely to spread throughout the population)?  Or not at all?

I would like to see a serious answer to this question from those who think it is their god-given right to infect everyone else.

Because this is a serious question.

If it is actually a matter of principle, then they would hold the same opinion if it were smallpox, the plague, or worse.

And if it is not a matter of principle, then they must recognize that real question is one of degree - and the question we should be debating is actually how severe a disease should be in order for society to respond with a lockdown/significant measures to try to contain/eliminate the disease.

I think that is the real question here, and Skill and Chance's hypothetical cuts to the core of the matter.

[Green Line]

I don't usually say things like this, but those of you decrying the "authoritarian" response are nuts.

Give the government control to totally shut down your social life, keep you indoors, etc and good luck ever putting that back into its box.  Our freedoms are a lot more important than a virus with a 2% fataility rate.  Sorry, I said it.  I mean it.

Would you support doing this for something as deadly as smallpox (>20% fatality rate, overwhelming majority of population likely to be infected if no action taken)?  For something like the 1300's Black Death (>50% total fatality rate, 30-60% for more common bubonic type, >90% for less common pneumonic type, also likely to spread throughout the population)?  Or not at all?

I would like to see a serious answer to this question from those who think it is their god-given right to infect everyone else.

Because this is a serious question.

If it is actually a matter of principle, then they would hold the same opinion if it were smallpox, the plague, or worse.

And if it is not a matter of principle, then they must recognize that real question is one of degree - and the question we should be debating is actually how severe a disease should be in order for society to respond with a lockdown/significant measures to try to contain/eliminate the disease.

I think that is the real question here, and Skill and Chance's hypothetical cuts to the core of the matter.

Ive already said multiple times, the risk of this virus is nowhere proportionate to the economic destruction we are inflicting upon ourselves.  Its not remotely comparable to smallpox  or the black death.  Its a ridiculous question to even entertain.

[Lechasseur]

I don't usually say things like this, but those of you decrying the "authoritarian" response are nuts.

Give the government control to totally shut down your social life, keep you indoors, etc and good luck ever putting that back into its box.  Our freedoms are a lot more important than a virus with a 2% fataility rate.  Sorry, I said it.  I mean it.

 
Would you support doing this for something as deadly as smallpox (>20% fatality rate, overwhelming majority of population likely to be infected if no action taken)?  For something like the 1300's Black Death (>50% total fatality rate, 30-60% for more common bubonic type, >90% for less common pneumonic type, also likely to spread throughout the population)?  Or not at all?

I would like to see a serious answer to this question from those who think it is their god-given right to infect everyone else.

Because this is a serious question.

If it is actually a matter of principle, then they would hold the same opinion if it were smallpox, the plague, or worse.

And if it is not a matter of principle, then they must recognize that real question is one of degree - and the question we should be debating is actually how severe a disease should be in order for society to respond with a lockdown/significant measures to try to contain/eliminate the disease.

I think that is the real question here, and Skill and Chance's hypothetical cuts to the core of the matter.

Ive already said multiple times, the risk of this virus is nowhere proportionate to the economic destruction are inflicting upon ourselves.  Its not remotely comparable to smallpox  or the black death.  Its a ridiculous question to even entertain.

Exactly