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« Reply #25 on: March 21, 2020, 01:54:20 PM »

Question here: if Chafee gets the LP nomination, what % does he get nationally and in his home state of Rhode Island? I’m sure he will backslide compared to 2016, but as a former governor I could still see him clearing 1% nationally, maybe 1.1% and in RI getting like 2.1% or something.

1% will be tough with Biden as the D nominee. Gary Johnson 2012 was a stronger candidacy for the LP, and didn't quite break 1%. Breaking 1% is probably more likely with Chafee than with Hornberger, but there just aren't many signs that 2020 will be a big year for third parties at the moment. My guess is that the media ignores any 2020 LP candidacy like they have every year except 2016.
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« Reply #26 on: March 25, 2020, 07:00:17 PM »

The Constitution Party website has released its official list of presidential candidates:

https://www.constitutionparty.com/constitution-party-candidates-for-president-2020/

Though Independent Political Report lists a few more Politics1 recorded.

As with a few of the lesser-known candidates running for the Libertarian Party nomination, I'm surprised that there's female candidates, that's neat.
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« Reply #27 on: April 08, 2020, 11:49:34 AM »

Updated for the first time in a few weeks, with the end of the Democratic process as a competitive contest I'll try to be more on top of this.
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« Reply #28 on: April 08, 2020, 01:46:05 PM »

Will he???

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« Reply #29 on: April 18, 2020, 02:33:27 PM »

Updated for LP Ohio primary which Hornberger won. While Hornberger's lead is at this point pretty insurmountable it must be noted that the LP process is non-binding, leaving much room for an Amash entry. Given Amash's pretty steep hill to get reelected and his own posturing I personally expect he will enter the LP race.
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« Reply #30 on: April 18, 2020, 02:35:55 PM »

Updated for LP Ohio primary which Hornberger won. While Hornberger's lead is at this point pretty insurmountable it must be noted that the LP process is non-binding, leaving much room for an Amash entry. Given Amash's pretty steep hill to get reelected and his own posturing I personally expect he will enter the LP race.

May 21st is not far away. If he's going to enter, he's going to have to do so soon.
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« Reply #31 on: April 18, 2020, 02:52:56 PM »

Updated for LP Ohio primary which Hornberger won. While Hornberger's lead is at this point pretty insurmountable it must be noted that the LP process is non-binding, leaving much room for an Amash entry. Given Amash's pretty steep hill to get reelected and his own posturing I personally expect he will enter the LP race.

May 21st is not far away. If he's going to enter, he's going to have to do so soon.

Absolutely true but with COVID and whatnot there may be a bigger window. Plus Hornberger hasn't exactly gained in vote share over this process as much as his support seems to be slightly broader than any other candidate. There's absolutely a window for Amash and I doubt there will be as much fuss as with Johnson in 2016.
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« Reply #32 on: May 02, 2020, 05:53:49 PM »

The Constitution Party has nominated Don Blankenship of West Virginia on the second ballot. William Mohr of Michigan was unanimously nominated for vice president

http://ballot-access.org/2020/05/02/constitution-party-nominates-don-blankenship-for-president-on-second-ballot/
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« Reply #33 on: May 02, 2020, 06:04:21 PM »

The Constitution Party has nominated Don Blankenship of West Virginia on the second ballot. William Mohr of Michigan was unanimously nominated for vice president

http://ballot-access.org/2020/05/02/constitution-party-nominates-don-blankenship-for-president-on-second-ballot/

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« Reply #34 on: May 04, 2020, 12:15:41 AM »

Virginia Constitution Party opposes Big Don, wants Justin Amash instead
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« Reply #35 on: May 18, 2020, 12:19:34 AM »

New Mexico Constitution Party also rejects Blankenship in favor of Samm Tittle

As I've posted elsewhere, would've been really interested to consider who could've tried an Amash/Ventura outsider celebrity bid to take over the CP, as it seems like along with the Greens and the Libertarians they are also experiencing a controversial sweep.
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« Reply #36 on: May 18, 2020, 08:33:50 PM »

New Mexico Constitution Party also rejects Blankenship in favor of Samm Tittle

As I've posted elsewhere, would've been really interested to consider who could've tried an Amash/Ventura outsider celebrity bid to take over the CP, as it seems like along with the Greens and the Libertarians they are also experiencing a controversial sweep.

You failed to mention that the VP candidate is going to be J.W. Fakes creating a Tittle-Fakes ticket. 
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« Reply #37 on: May 18, 2020, 08:45:05 PM »

Don't think anyone said this, but Hawkins has announced his running mate: Angela Nicole Walker (Socialist-SC)


Angela Walker (cropped)
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Walker in 2015 at the SPUSA Convention

Walker was the Socialist VP candidate in 2016, independent candidate for Milwaukee Sheriff in 2014 against David Clarke, and Legislative Director of the ATU Local 998 for a couple years. She currently lives in Florence SC and works as a truck driver.


https://independentpoliticalreport.com/2020/05/howie-hawkins-announces-running-mate/
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« Reply #38 on: May 19, 2020, 02:31:54 PM »

New Mexico Constitution Party also rejects Blankenship in favor of Samm Tittle

As I've posted elsewhere, would've been really interested to consider who could've tried an Amash/Ventura outsider celebrity bid to take over the CP, as it seems like along with the Greens and the Libertarians they are also experiencing a controversial sweep.

You failed to mention that the VP candidate is going to be J.W. Fakes creating a Tittle-Fakes ticket.  

Speaking of which, J.W. Fakes appears to be a little wacko. I wonder if the Virginia CP will follow suit in supporting this ticket, or if they're sticking with the not running Amash. (Edit: they are) Even if the Greens and Libertarians aren't schisming this year (TBD), at least we're seeing one national third party do so!
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« Reply #39 on: May 19, 2020, 03:53:08 PM »

New Mexico Constitution Party also rejects Blankenship in favor of Samm Tittle

As I've posted elsewhere, would've been really interested to consider who could've tried an Amash/Ventura outsider celebrity bid to take over the CP, as it seems like along with the Greens and the Libertarians they are also experiencing a controversial sweep.

You failed to mention that the VP candidate is going to be J.W. Fakes creating a Tittle-Fakes ticket.  

Speaking of which, J.W. Fakes appears to be a little wacko. I wonder if the Virginia CP will follow suit in supporting this ticket, or if they're sticking with the not running Amash. (Edit: they are) Even if the Greens and Libertarians aren't schisming this year (TBD), at least we're seeing one national third party do so!

I think Libertarians are gonna crash relative to Johnson, and Greens will dip a little too. The moves by Hawkins suggest to me that the Greens and SPUSA could merge if he stays powerful within the party. Considering that the SPUSA is pretty small now it wouldn't be huge but...
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« Reply #40 on: May 19, 2020, 04:10:32 PM »

New Mexico Constitution Party also rejects Blankenship in favor of Samm Tittle

As I've posted elsewhere, would've been really interested to consider who could've tried an Amash/Ventura outsider celebrity bid to take over the CP, as it seems like along with the Greens and the Libertarians they are also experiencing a controversial sweep.

You failed to mention that the VP candidate is going to be J.W. Fakes creating a Tittle-Fakes ticket.  

Speaking of which, J.W. Fakes appears to be a little wacko. I wonder if the Virginia CP will follow suit in supporting this ticket, or if they're sticking with the not running Amash. (Edit: they are) Even if the Greens and Libertarians aren't schisming this year (TBD), at least we're seeing one national third party do so!

I think Libertarians are gonna crash relative to Johnson, and Greens will dip a little too. The moves by Hawkins suggest to me that the Greens and SPUSA could merge if he stays powerful within the party. Considering that the SPUSA is pretty small now it wouldn't be huge but...
I would have to disagree on a merger with SPUSA. The fact of the matter is that even with both parties being big tents, the green liberals and new agers would not work well with standard democratic socialist politicians numbering ~2-3k members on top of the watermelons. That would cause a split.

Anyway, in no small part is the cross endorsement a sign of a merger. It fits well in the tradition of a popular front in which different factions put aside their differences to work together in leftist terminology, and that really only applies to possibly the 30% of GPUS voters that include a lot of watermelons that Support this move. The Socialist party, like other leftwing political outfits, are facing a surge of new members and a more positive reception from the likes of the American public, especially moreso given that SPUSA is made up of young twenty-somethings espousing a vague platform that while has a lot of activists, just say they are “democratic” and believe in socialism. Thank Bernie Sanders for that.

The #1 piece of evidence that puts this theory to bed is the existence of The Socialist, their new newsletter still in its infancy from all looks of it.

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« Reply #41 on: May 19, 2020, 04:16:49 PM »

I wonder what the Greens/SPUSA think of the PSL/PFP, dueling popular fronts and united fronts
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« Reply #42 on: May 19, 2020, 04:22:01 PM »

I can't imagine anyone else but Hornberger and Hawkins will win their nominations.
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« Reply #43 on: May 19, 2020, 04:26:16 PM »

I can't imagine anyone else but Hornberger and Hawkins will win their nominations.

The delegate counts say otherwise.
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« Reply #44 on: May 19, 2020, 05:35:38 PM »

I can't imagine anyone else but Hornberger and Hawkins will win their nominations.

I agree but still Hornberger is pretty left field- he doesn’t even have a wikipedia page.
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« Reply #45 on: May 19, 2020, 09:36:02 PM »

I wonder what the Greens/SPUSA think of the PSL/PFP, dueling popular fronts and united fronts
I have yet to hear any trash talking on their official means of communications. There probably are flame wars and nastiness on the more informal surrogates on Twitter, but nothing official. Maybe as the race goes on, the race will start to get heated as they’ll ultimately come to brawls for key sectors in invaluable states both are running on officially, namely California and Vermont.
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« Reply #46 on: May 20, 2020, 11:12:08 AM »

I wonder what the Greens/SPUSA think of the PSL/PFP, dueling popular fronts and united fronts
There probably are flame wars and nastiness on the more informal surrogates on Twitter, but nothing official. Maybe as the race goes on, the race will start to get heated as they’ll ultimately come to brawls for key sectors in invaluable states both are running on officially, namely California and Vermont.

See, based on my limited view of what's happened in previous elections between third party candidates, I don't actually think that happens. It's very interesting to me because it seems like heat from third party candidates are usually reserved against the major party candidates (as the obvious targets, understandably), or against other members of the same party (as an in-fighting power struggle internal thing). I've hardly seen any fierce disagreements between third party candidates or parties themselves, which is just interesting to me.

Often, they don't even seem to acknowledge each other's existence- they're not just off the mainstream electorate's radar, they're off each other's radar. Even at third party presidential debates, when they're forced to acknowledge the existence of both diametrically ideologically opposite parties, or the existence of rival parties on the same side of the spectrum who potentially siphon off precious votes from each other, they end up agreeing with each other at the debates about 1) how the major parties are both corrupt crooks, end the duopoly, 2) end the drug war now, 3) the government is too big and/or feckless and either way must be changed.

This goes to show that despite minor parties' disparate ideologies that span far left to far right to libertarian to communitarian to centrist, in the end all third parties are alike in being A) anti-establishment and B) sound ignored and disempowered.
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« Reply #47 on: May 24, 2020, 01:12:55 AM »

So now that we only have one more "major" third party nomination to go, any bets on who will be at the inevitable fringe third party presidential debate, and who will win that?

Hawkins vs. Jorgensen vs. Blankenship vs. de la Fuente
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« Reply #48 on: May 24, 2020, 10:59:21 AM »
« Edited: May 25, 2020, 01:46:41 PM by PSOL »

Liberty Union Party Nominates Gloria La Riva for President

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The La Riva-Peltier ticket now has access to the ballots in California and Vermont.

This is ultimately a bad sign for Howie Hawkins. Not only will the vote be split in two states where there is a huge population of democratic socialists and other leftists willing to vote for him, but he has failed in forming an “independent, nonsectarian left” front. The only question is why, why did two clearly democratic socialist parties choose the PSL’s Gloria La Riva/Leonard Peltier ticket over a person influenced by communalist ideology?

Looks like the vote of the left is going to be very much split between the GPUS/SPUSA/Solidarity front, PSL/LUP/PFP front, the Socialist Action party, and the irrelevant cult of the SEP so far. That isn’t accounting for what the DSA will do as a backup plan later in the race, or if SAlt runs their own candidate.
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« Reply #49 on: May 24, 2020, 02:57:42 PM »

Liberty Union Party Nominates Gloria La Riva for President

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The La Riva-Peltier ticket now has access to the ballots in California and Vermont.

This is ultimately a bad sign for Howie Hawkins. Not only will the vote be split in two states where there is a huge population of democratic socialists and other leftists willing to vote for him, but he has failed in forming an “independent, nonsectarian left” front. The only question is why, why did two clearly democratic socialist parties choose the PSL’s Gloria La Riva/Leonard Peltier ticket over a person influenced by communalist ideology?

Looks like the vote of the left is going to be very much split between the GPUS/SPUSA/Solidarity front, PSL/LUP/PFP front, the Socialist Action party, and the irrelevant cult of the SEP so far. That isn’t accounting for what the DSA will do as a backup plan later in the race, or if SAlt runs their own candidate.

I think the DSA will either endorse Hawkins or not endorse at all. I don't think they'd endorse La Riva, she's an ML isn't she?
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