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« on: March 12, 2020, 02:57:04 PM »
« edited: July 08, 2020, 09:32:03 AM by W »

This thread is specifically about the primary process for these parties, for general election discussion please visit successor thread Minor Party and Independent General Election Discussion

We don't seem to have a results thread for these two sets of primaries so I figured I'd fill the gap. If anyone has questions about context of some of these I could probably answer some of the Green Party primary questions as I've been following it closely, and I'm sure our Atlas Libertarian community can answer any questions about the LP process. I'll update as these two processes continue. Tables will only include candidates who have won contests or a large share (>5%) of the vote. While third parties are not major factors in American political life these contests are still competitive and in my humble opinion an interesting spectacle to watch. This page is still a WIP.

LIBERTARIAN PRIMARY

Nominee: Jo Jorgensen

Including Uncommited:


NAMECONTESTS WONPOPULAR VOTE
Jacob Hornberger78,908 (22.1%)
Jo Jorgensen25,086 (12.3%)
Vermin Supreme14,348 (10.5%)
Uncommitted23,766 (9.1%)
Ken Armstrong03,530 (8.6%)
Kim Ruff03,045 (7.4%)
Adam Kokesh02,894 (7.0%)
Dan "Taxation is Theft" Behrman02,409 (5.8%)

Excluding Uncommitted:


NAMECONTESTS WONPOPULAR VOTE
Jacob Hornberger88,908 (22.1%)
Jo Jorgensen25,086 (12.3%)
Vermin Supreme24,348 (10.5%)
Ken Armstrong03,530 (8.6%)
Kim Ruff03,045 (7.4%)
Adam Kokesh02,894 (7.0%)
Dan "Taxation is Theft" Behrman02,409 (5.8%)

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GREEN PRIMARY



NAMECONTESTS WONESTIMATED DELEGATESPOPULAR VOTE
Howie Hawkins5464,766 (35.0%)
Dario Hunter2222,841 (20.9%)
Sedinam Moyowasifza-Curry0102,173 (16.0%)
Dennis Lambert081,953 (14.3%)
David Rolde05832 (6.1%)

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4/18- GP Wisconsin Convention (4 delegates)

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CONSTITUTION PRIMARY

Nominee: Don Blankenship

Including Uncommitted


NAMECONTESTS WONPOPULAR VOTE
Don Blankenship2643 (32.0%)
Uncommitted1463 (23.0%)
Don J. Grundmann0252 (12.5%)
Charles Kraut0232 (11.5%)

Excluding Uncommitted


NAMECONTESTS WONPOPULAR VOTE
Don Blankenship3643 (32.0%)
Don J. Grundmann0252 (12.5%)
Charles Kraut0232 (11.5%)

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PEACE AND FREEDOM PRIMARY



NAMECONTESTS WONPOPULAR VOTE
Gloria La Riva13,777 (66.3%)
Howie Hawkins01,923 (33.7%)

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« Reply #1 on: March 12, 2020, 06:38:36 PM »

Yeah the Libertarian Party is a absulute joke, Abramson is a Democrat now somehow and Chafee has like below 1%.

I'm surprised that Hunter is doing so well.
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« Reply #2 on: March 12, 2020, 06:40:15 PM »

Libertarians fell off. So did the greens.
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« Reply #3 on: March 12, 2020, 06:56:58 PM »

There's a sign: in 2016, we had people very angry against the establishement, the system, the government and the situation. This year people want a true leadership.
It's the end for the 2016 anti-establishement wave. It's time to say good bye to Jill Stein, Tea Party, Trump and many others.
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« Reply #4 on: March 12, 2020, 07:10:01 PM »

depending on who the Libertarians nominate and how Biden's campaign goes I could see Hawkins (or Hunter if he manages to win, which seems more likely than it used to) getting 3rd place. Granted, it'd be like, 1.2% vs 0.9% or something but still
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« Reply #5 on: March 12, 2020, 09:59:32 PM »

Well that's interesting.

I wonder if Chafee will do better in places he is actually on the ballot?
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« Reply #6 on: March 13, 2020, 09:37:44 AM »

depending on who the Libertarians nominate and how Biden's campaign goes I could see Hawkins (or Hunter if he manages to win, which seems more likely than it used to) getting 3rd place. Granted, it'd be like, 1.2% vs 0.9% or something but still

I think this is entirely possible too. Especially given Hawkins is going for a classic New Yorker ballot fusion plan where a lot of smaller socialist and left-populist parties are also nominating him. That being said, I expect a net decrease in third party votes just due to how vilified they were in the media by Clinton '16 alumni, but from all I've see the Libertarian Party isn't all that serious this year. Not mentioned here but I've also noticed a lot more enthusiasm around the Party for Socialism and Liberation and Gloria La Riva this time 'round than in 2016 among the small minority of genuinely far left almost tankie Bernie supporters. They're expected to only be on the ballot in California again but she's also going for the Peace and Freedom nomination again and beat Howie for the California primary. Without McMuffin and a large scale Bernie write-in effort I think it's entirely possible that they beat out the Constitution Party for 5th place or at least get a comfortable 6th. Hawkins is IMHO a better candidate in every regard but it's something to keep an eye on.
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« Reply #7 on: March 13, 2020, 09:42:04 AM »

I'm surprised that Hunter is doing so well.

There's a fairly sizeable anti-Hawkins camp in the Green Party which sees Hawkins as "too establishment" (Huh) and believes the Greens are trying to sway the process in his favour (more weight to this one). At this point, most of those voters have coalesced around Hunter given that he's the only real viable alternative at this point.
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« Reply #8 on: March 13, 2020, 09:59:55 AM »

Outraged over the exclusion of the Constitution Party and Big Don's march to the other big house.
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« Reply #9 on: March 13, 2020, 10:02:41 AM »

Outraged over the exclusion of the Constitution Party and Big Don's march to the other big house.

Funny timing, I was in the process of adding them!
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« Reply #10 on: March 13, 2020, 10:08:16 AM »

Outraged over the exclusion of the Constitution Party and Big Don's march to the other big house.

Funny timing, I was in the process of adding them!

Good, glad to see my outrage gets results!
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« Reply #11 on: March 13, 2020, 10:53:47 AM »

Well that's interesting.

I wonder if Chafee will do better in places he is actually on the ballot?

Yeah, LP results are messed up by the fact that Chafee and McAfee have hardly been options anywhere. In CA, neither were even considered valid write-ins. I think the IA results (Chafee a distant 2nd) and the NC results (McAfee a close 2nd among actual candidates) show that they would be running just behind Hornberger, though, followed closely by Vermin and Jo Jorgensen.
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« Reply #12 on: March 16, 2020, 09:19:25 AM »

Howie Hawkins has won the Illinois primary. His campaign is claiming 73% of the vote however popular vote margin isn't updated yet as IL is yet to release these results.
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« Reply #13 on: March 18, 2020, 04:24:51 PM »

Chafee could have been the anointed former GOP politician to be the Libertarian nominee, but I guess they wanted a turn back to ideological clarity instead of tactical electability.
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« Reply #14 on: March 18, 2020, 04:31:45 PM »

If Hornberger is the Libertarian nominee, I predict a shocking drop in the party's vote share from 2016. From 3% to possibly <0.5%, which is around their 2004 and 2008 showings.
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« Reply #15 on: March 18, 2020, 05:25:40 PM »

Sam Seder should've ran. Seder/Gravel might've ironically led to a decent showing.
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« Reply #16 on: March 19, 2020, 11:10:47 AM »

Chafee could have been the anointed former GOP politician to be the Libertarian nominee, but I guess they wanted a turn back to ideological clarity instead of tactical electability.
I still have hopes that he will surge where he is actually on the ballot.

Speaking of which, does anyone know what the status of the Libertarian Ohio primary is?
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« Reply #17 on: March 19, 2020, 03:31:11 PM »

Isn't it too late by now?
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« Reply #18 on: March 19, 2020, 03:58:30 PM »

Admittedly I am not too versed in the delegate selection for the Libertarian Convention.
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« Reply #19 on: March 20, 2020, 02:35:22 AM »

Admittedly I am not too versed in the delegate selection for the Libertarian Convention.

I think this mystery is kind of by design. Lets those who run the party decide their party's nominee without having to worry about things like run of the mill voters getting in the way.

In other words, I find it hilarious when advocates of 3rd parties complain about party insiders having undue influence in primaries of major parties and yet can't explain things like this very thing when I ask them about their third party of choice. How are these delegates chosen? Just a big ol' shrug. Some might be with a party that actually has a contest to determine these things in their state, but then I just gotta mention one of the states that has delegates popping out of the aether and they get angry.

But all the same, I appreciate threads like this. Makes it easy to keep track of the nonsense.
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« Reply #20 on: March 20, 2020, 07:41:21 PM »

In other words, I find it hilarious when advocates of 3rd parties complain about party insiders having undue influence in primaries of major parties and yet can't explain things like this very thing when I ask them about their third party of choice. How are these delegates chosen?

Apples and oranges. The Green and Libertarian parties never promised their supporters and members that their presidential tickets would be totally decided by some kind of open/public primaries, where whoever "wins" the most popular votes is nominated. Your Democratic Party political machine, on the other hand, did repeatedly make those promises to its voter base. In reality, the DNC decides who is nominated -- they simply rig the process in favor of whoever they want as the presidential candidate (e.g. Hillary or Biden). The Green/Libertarian party way of doing things is, in fact, far more honest.
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« Reply #21 on: March 20, 2020, 10:10:14 PM »

In other words, I find it hilarious when advocates of 3rd parties complain about party insiders having undue influence in primaries of major parties and yet can't explain things like this very thing when I ask them about their third party of choice. How are these delegates chosen?

Apples and oranges. The Green and Libertarian parties never promised their supporters and members that their presidential tickets would be totally decided by some kind of open/public primaries, where whoever "wins" the most popular votes is nominated. Your Democratic Party political machine, on the other hand, did repeatedly make those promises to its voter base. In reality, the DNC decides who is nominated -- they simply rig the process in favor of whoever they want as the presidential candidate (e.g. Hillary or Biden). The Green/Libertarian party way of doing things is, in fact, far more honest.

Yeah, sure, 'rig' as in determine the nominee via the general will of the party's voters which translates into proportional delegates to the national convention, thus being highly reflective of the majority interests of the party by the end of the process. Totally dishonest because... uh... reasons!
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« Reply #22 on: March 20, 2020, 10:25:46 PM »

In other words, I find it hilarious when advocates of 3rd parties complain about party insiders having undue influence in primaries of major parties and yet can't explain things like this very thing when I ask them about their third party of choice. How are these delegates chosen?

Apples and oranges. The Green and Libertarian parties never promised their supporters and members that their presidential tickets would be totally decided by some kind of open/public primaries, where whoever "wins" the most popular votes is nominated. Your Democratic Party political machine, on the other hand, did repeatedly make those promises to its voter base. In reality, the DNC decides who is nominated -- they simply rig the process in favor of whoever they want as the presidential candidate (e.g. Hillary or Biden). The Green/Libertarian party way of doing things is, in fact, far more honest.

Yeah, sure, 'rig' as in determine the nominee via the general will of the party's voters which translates into proportional delegates to the national convention, thus being highly reflective of the majority interests of the party by the end of the process. Totally dishonest because... uh... reasons!

No, 'rig' as in the DNC coordinating directly with the Clinton campaign before she was even nominated and leaking debate questions. I'm no Bernie stan but I don't see how anyone with a functioning brain could fail to recognize that the party apparatus actively worked against him.
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« Reply #23 on: March 21, 2020, 05:23:00 AM »

In other words, I find it hilarious when advocates of 3rd parties complain about party insiders having undue influence in primaries of major parties and yet can't explain things like this very thing when I ask them about their third party of choice. How are these delegates chosen?

Apples and oranges. The Green and Libertarian parties never promised their supporters and members that their presidential tickets would be totally decided by some kind of open/public primaries, where whoever "wins" the most popular votes is nominated. Your Democratic Party political machine, on the other hand, did repeatedly make those promises to its voter base. In reality, the DNC decides who is nominated -- they simply rig the process in favor of whoever they want as the presidential candidate (e.g. Hillary or Biden). The Green/Libertarian party way of doing things is, in fact, far more honest.

Yeah, sure, 'rig' as in determine the nominee via the general will of the party's voters which translates into proportional delegates to the national convention, thus being highly reflective of the majority interests of the party by the end of the process. Totally dishonest because... uh... reasons!

No, 'rig' as in the DNC coordinating directly with the Clinton campaign before she was even nominated and leaking debate questions. I'm no Bernie stan but I don't see how anyone with a functioning brain could fail to recognize that the party apparatus actively worked against him.

Yeah, the DNC was fairly biased in 2016, but it didn't prevent Bernie from getting a fair shot. And it doesn't change the fact that the voters decided on Hillary by their millions. The accusation that the DNC decides contests by rigging them, especially in 2020 when they're doing everything they can to be impartial, is ridiculous and childish.
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« Reply #24 on: March 21, 2020, 01:15:25 PM »

Question here: if Chafee gets the LP nomination, what % does he get nationally and in his home state of Rhode Island? I’m sure he will backslide compared to 2016, but as a former governor I could still see him clearing 1% nationally, maybe 1.1% and in RI getting like 2.1% or something.
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