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Question: Most Winnable Election for the Incumbent Party
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1980
 
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1992
 
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2008
 
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« on: February 29, 2020, 01:06:12 AM »

1980 IMO was clearly the least winnable as while Carter polling wise seemed in it , he always pretty much was DOA as the reason there was such a surge for Reagan after the debate had nothing to do with the debate but rather that people wanted any excuse to vote against Carter and once the deabte showed that electing Reagan wouldnt be risking WW3 it was pretty much all over for him and he had no chance.

Now 1992 and 2008 are hard as while the fundamentals were worse for the GOP in 2008 than 1992, the GOP in 1992 had the unpopular incumbent on the ballot while in 2008 they nominated a popular senator and in 1992 there was also Ross perot which also made winning much harder.

Still I would go with 1992 as I feel if Dems nominated a weak candidate, and HW dumped Quayle for say Jack Kemp and ran an aggressive campaign it could have been really close
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« Reply #1 on: February 29, 2020, 12:45:47 PM »

1980 and 2008 were not winnable because of the economy and Middle East (Iraq/Iran Hostage Crisis). Plus, the opposition ran charismatic candidates in Reagan and Obama; both were considered “cool” at the time. And let’s face it, ever since JFK vs Nixon, people vote for the coolest candidate, the one who looks good on camera, the one who can entertain.

1992 is a different story. Clinton, like Reagan & Obama, was the “cooler” candidate who looked good on camera. But George HW Bush was a good president, with a decent record (minus taxes and the economy). His approval ratings after Desert Storm set a record approval rating. It’s true that the economy was bad, but it wasn’t 1980 or 2008 level of badness. I do believe that Perot played a role, even if some say he took votes away from both sides equally. Bush could have won or made it closer if his domestic plans were stronger. He also sometimes appeared too distant from the common man  (didn’t know how to use a supermarket scanner). 1992 was always going to be a tough fight because Clinton was so politically gifted, but it wasn’t impossible.

If Perot didn’t run, I would agree then this clearly would be 1992 but him running made it IMO around the same level difficulty for HW to win as it was for McCain as the House was Safe D then too which meant even if it went to the House , HW wouldn’t win .


 
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« Reply #2 on: March 01, 2020, 12:25:13 PM »

1980

On monday evening 1992 and 2008, everybody knew Clinton and Obama would win. In 1980, Reagan was considered to have the biggest probability, but not everyone was sure. The polls showed a 3% difference in the national popular vote. The 10% margin was a surprise, but a surprise to the other side could have happened. The newspapers were expecting a long night in 1980.

Carter’s internal pollsters showed him down 9 points that evening and told him it’s over though .
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« Reply #3 on: March 02, 2020, 09:50:49 PM »

2008 is clearly the least winnable, unless Republicans found some way to delay the onset of the recession past 2008.

1980 was surprisingly competitive in polls given the final result. If Carter had had a better debate and/or somehow found a way to get Iran to release the hostages, he might have won. I'd still probably say that 1992 was the most winnable, but 1980 is pretty close.

Carter really could not have had a better debate, as the thing is Carter was able to keep it so close because people were afraid is Reagan would win he would start WW3 or he would eliminate Meidcare , medicaid and Social Secuirty and thats what the Carter campaign in many ways was banking on.


Once the debate showed that Reagan was not some mad Warmonger and would not get rid of medicare or social security, Carter collapsed as people wanted any excuse to vote Carter out.
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