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« on: December 28, 2019, 04:17:30 PM »

In the summer of 2000, a lackluster Gore campaign strongly considered then North Carolina-Sen. John Edwards as Vice President Al Gore's running mate, to give a boost in the polls and to hold on to Clinton-won Southern states from 1992 and 1996.

What would be your thoughts of a Gore-Edwards ticket?

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« Reply #1 on: December 28, 2019, 04:20:32 PM »

Freedom Ticket solely by virtue of probably giving Gore at least 538 more votes in Florida.
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« Reply #2 on: December 28, 2019, 04:22:09 PM »

Freedom Ticket solely by virtue of probably giving Gore at least 538 more votes in Florida.

True.

Edwards probably would have given Cheney or Engler a rougher debate, and AR, MO, and FL probably would have stayed D.

Edwards would have been the clear 2008 frontrunner, but Hillary would be waiting in the wings.
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« Reply #3 on: December 28, 2019, 04:29:32 PM »
« Edited: December 28, 2019, 04:45:26 PM by Shades of Wrong »

ew ew ew.

disgusting.

I hate even more than Gore/Lieberman.

absolutely sickening.

I hate the south and I hate the environment and I hate the PMRC and I hate scumbags who cheat on their wives.

The thought of an Edwards Presidency is even worse than a Gore Presidency. Cheating is weakness and we should not accept a weak commander in chief who does not have the mental discipline to force themselves to follow through on their wedding vows even if they don't want to.

This is also why I believe Trump and Bill Clinton never should have been President.
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« Reply #4 on: December 28, 2019, 05:41:37 PM »

Too white. Too male.
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« Reply #5 on: December 29, 2019, 12:56:52 AM »


So was every pre-2008 ticket, save for 1984.
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« Reply #6 on: December 29, 2019, 01:10:42 AM »


This means that it's perfect for bronz.
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« Reply #7 on: December 29, 2019, 01:44:35 AM »

2004, Edward's had a nice story, but he was a bomb on international policy, Gore would have been served better with Bob Graham and Kerry with Dick Gephardt, whom Cheney wouldn't have beaten in a debate. But, we know so much now, than we did back then. We will never see another inexperienced Veep selected. Buttigieg, served in the military with honors, and wont have the inexperience as Edwards,  eventhough,  both look boyish.
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« Reply #8 on: December 29, 2019, 01:45:16 AM »

Nah, Edwards' seat was too valuable.

The answer was Bob Graham or Jeanne Shaheen [though I admit, given where NH was, I'm stumped as to why Lieberman couldn't guarantee that one].
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« Reply #9 on: December 29, 2019, 01:52:39 AM »

Nah, Edwards' seat was too valuable.

The answer was Bob Graham or Jeanne Shaheen [though I admit, given where NH was, I'm stumped as to why Lieberman couldn't guarantee that one].

Huh Huh

NC had both an outgoing & an incoming Democratic governor who, regardless, would've been statutorily required to appoint somebody of the same political party as that of the vacating Senator (Edwards). The seat would've been fine.

Of course, a 2002 special election might mean that the appointed Senator would go down in flames with Erskine Bowles, but considering what actually ended up happening to Edwards' seat in real life, it might've just been inevitable.
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« Reply #10 on: December 31, 2019, 11:22:04 AM »

FF without hindsight
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« Reply #11 on: January 02, 2020, 07:39:13 AM »

On substance anyone is better than Lieberman, though idk whether Edwards is actually better strategically as he'd come off as very inexperienced and is a weird vp pick when you look at them historically
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« Reply #12 on: January 02, 2020, 03:21:14 PM »

FF, would've been a more appealing ticket than it was with Lieberman on it.

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On substance anyone is better than Lieberman, though idk whether Edwards is actually better strategically as he'd come off as very inexperienced and is a weird vp pick when you look at them historically

What do you mean?
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« Reply #13 on: January 02, 2020, 04:13:12 PM »

FF ticket
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« Reply #14 on: January 03, 2020, 08:00:26 PM »

yikes
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« Reply #15 on: January 04, 2020, 01:06:12 PM »

Gore didn't lose because of Lieberman, so idk if this change would be useful in any way.
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« Reply #16 on: February 13, 2020, 05:57:21 PM »

Gore didn't lose because of Lieberman, so idk if this change would be useful in any way.

According to some, he probably did.

"Gore is more pro-Israel than many Zionists. While Clinton did not feel the necessity to place blacks in visible positions to demonstrate his pro-blackness, Al Gore felt compelled to pick Connecticut's Zionist Senator Joseph Lieberman as his running mate in 2000 to prove his pro-Israeli credentials. It was a catastrophic blunder! Many Americans, who would have otherwise voted for Gore, voted for Bush because of Lieberman's championing of Israeli interests over America's, thus turning a potentially comfortable Gore victory into a close election, which the Republicans "stole" for Bush via their cronies on the US Supreme Court."

http://archive.thedailystar.net/2004/07/20/d407201502114.htm
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« Reply #17 on: February 13, 2020, 06:53:20 PM »

Nah, Edwards' seat was too valuable.

The answer was Bob Graham or Jeanne Shaheen [though I admit, given where NH was, I'm stumped as to why Lieberman couldn't guarantee that one].

Plus Edwards' been a Senator for less than two years.

Bob Graham would've delivered Florida (which is why I rooted for him being Kerry's running-mate, despite strongly disliking the man personally).
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« Reply #18 on: February 13, 2020, 10:38:33 PM »
« Edited: February 13, 2020, 10:41:36 PM by Tintrlvr »

Freedom Ticket solely by virtue of probably giving Gore at least 538 more votes in Florida.

Lieberman definitely brought in votes in Florida, too, so who knows. (It's probably true that Lieberman added very little to the ticket, but Florida is maybe the only place that mattered where he helped.)

Edwards as Gore's VP pick would have been a perfect mirror for Clinton's pick of Gore in 1992 and another double-down on the South. I think it could have worked as a lot of Southern states were pretty close in 2000. But it also may have flopped, so who knows. Too many variables.
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« Reply #19 on: February 13, 2020, 11:07:08 PM »

Gore didn't lose because of Lieberman, so idk if this change would be useful in any way.

According to some, he probably did.

"Gore is more pro-Israel than many Zionists. While Clinton did not feel the necessity to place blacks in visible positions to demonstrate his pro-blackness, Al Gore felt compelled to pick Connecticut's Zionist Senator Joseph Lieberman as his running mate in 2000 to prove his pro-Israeli credentials. It was a catastrophic blunder! Many Americans, who would have otherwise voted for Gore, voted for Bush because of Lieberman's championing of Israeli interests over America's, thus turning a potentially comfortable Gore victory into a close election, which the Republicans "stole" for Bush via their cronies on the US Supreme Court."

http://archive.thedailystar.net/2004/07/20/d407201502114.htm

That attitude may be common among Dr. Fakhruddin Ahmed's acquaintances, but not Americans in general, who are majority pro-Israel.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/126155/support-israel-near-record-high.aspx
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« Reply #20 on: February 14, 2020, 01:12:41 PM »

Massive FF ticket, same as Gore/Liebermam
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« Reply #21 on: February 14, 2020, 10:20:34 PM »

Edward's was overhyped and failed to win, 2004 OH
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« Reply #22 on: February 14, 2020, 11:21:28 PM »


And 1928 and 1932.
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« Reply #23 on: February 14, 2020, 11:28:33 PM »

With a Gore/Edwards win in in 2000 and 2004, there still would be 16 straight years of Democratic rule. We would also have the good luck of a Republican most likely winning in 2008, and then would get the blame for the 2008 downturn and would probably be a one term President.
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