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« on: February 14, 2020, 11:33:51 am »

https://apnews.com/fa41245d47d48332b10c8aeadcd6cb73
Official says US, Taliban reach Afghan truce agreement
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A senior U.S.official said Friday the United States and the Taliban have reached a truce agreement that will take effect “very soon” and could lead to withdrawals of American troops from Afghanistan.

The official said the agreement for a seven-day “reduction in violence” to be followed by the start of all-Afghan peace talks within 10 days is “very specific” and covers the entire country including Afghan forces.

The developments come as U.S. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo and Defense Secretary Mark Esper met Friday in Munich with Afghanistan’s President Ashraf Ghani. They spoke on the sidelines of an international security forum in Munich.

A truce had been widely anticipated, and President Donald Trump has agreed in principle to the deal, which could lead to the start of significant U.S. troop withdrawals from Afghanistan, according to U.S. officials.





Trump needs to succeed here to get re-elected against someone like Bernie or Bloomy.
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« Reply #1 on: February 14, 2020, 11:51:12 am »

This has happened like 20 times over the past 5 years, it’s nothing.
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« Reply #2 on: February 14, 2020, 12:46:02 pm »

Remember when Trump "reached a deal" with North Korea?
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« Reply #3 on: February 14, 2020, 01:06:36 pm »

Trump will sign the peace treaty right after the Taliban do him a favor and announce their investigation into Bloomberg's shady deals from the lobby of Trump Tower Kabul.
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« Reply #4 on: February 14, 2020, 02:24:53 pm »

 Bring those men and women home already.
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« Reply #5 on: February 14, 2020, 04:12:31 pm »

Bring those men and women home already.

Agreed 100%, though I don't trust Trump to actually follow through even if a deal were reached--he'd lose a big chunk of his reasoning for wasting so much tax money on defense spending. If anything he'd just say we did, half the voters would believe it, only for him to pull a Syria and just keep them there while pretending the matter is settled.
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« Reply #6 on: February 14, 2020, 04:35:46 pm »

Bring those men and women home already.

Agreed 100%, though I don't trust Trump to actually follow through even if a deal were reached--he'd lose a big chunk of his reasoning for wasting so much tax money on defense spending. If anything he'd just say we did, half the voters would believe it, only for him to pull a Syria and just keep them there while pretending the matter is settled.

Pull a Syria? US has mostly left Syria. And the Russians keep pressing US out completely.

It'll be ya all guys who will "pull a Syria". When Trump leaves/reduced # troops in Afghanistan ya'll gonna repeat neocon argument "but Kurds/Afghans/Iraqis!". PSOL is gonna be the loudest  Angry
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« Reply #7 on: February 14, 2020, 04:46:56 pm »

Bring those men and women home already.

Agreed 100%, though I don't trust Trump to actually follow through even if a deal were reached--he'd lose a big chunk of his reasoning for wasting so much tax money on defense spending. If anything he'd just say we did, half the voters would believe it, only for him to pull a Syria and just keep them there while pretending the matter is settled.

Pull a Syria? US has mostly left Syria. And the Russians keep pressing US out completely.

It'll be ya all guys who will "pull a Syria". When Trump leaves/reduced # troops in Afghanistan ya'll gonna repeat neocon argument "but Kurds/Afghans/Iraqis!". PSOL is gonna be the loudest  Angry

I've been in favor of full withdrawal since Obama's presidency, Kurds or not. It's not our job to prop up another military.
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« Reply #8 on: February 14, 2020, 05:27:56 pm »

Bring those men and women home already.
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« Reply #9 on: February 14, 2020, 05:47:40 pm »

Bring those men and women home already.

Agreed 100%, though I don't trust Trump to actually follow through even if a deal were reached--he'd lose a big chunk of his reasoning for wasting so much tax money on defense spending. If anything he'd just say we did, half the voters would believe it, only for him to pull a Syria and just keep them there while pretending the matter is settled.

Pull a Syria? US has mostly left Syria. And the Russians keep pressing US out completely.

It'll be ya all guys who will "pull a Syria". When Trump leaves/reduced # troops in Afghanistan ya'll gonna repeat neocon argument "but Kurds/Afghans/Iraqis!". PSOL is gonna be the loudest  Angry
In no way am I against a total withdrawal, especially not caring for whatever proxies we employ. I’ve consistently wished for a full withdrawal and an end to all imperialist ventures. I suggest you should get a different job, clearly whatever troll factory you came out from is the back-end of the company teams.
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« Reply #10 on: February 14, 2020, 06:01:36 pm »

It didn't come easy or free, but the Taliban is know bending it's knee to Trump. Not Bush, Not Obama, TRUMP.
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« Reply #11 on: February 14, 2020, 06:32:56 pm »

Video footage of a Taliban meeting which led to peace negotiations.

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3l69gc
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« Reply #12 on: February 14, 2020, 08:06:02 pm »

It didn't come easy or free, but the Taliban is know bending it's knee to Trump. Not Bush, Not Obama, TRUMP.

Please. Have some dignity.

The Taliban aren't bending the knee - they're biding their time before celebrating their victory, like the North Vietnamese before them.

I think getting out is the right thing, for us and for Afghanistan, but it's not going to be good. (Not that it's good now, before we withdraw, either.)  Giving up and leaving was never going to be easy for the United States, and maybe it will take a liar and conman like Dump to do what should be done.

But if you want to start putting smug political spins on a decades old-disaster, it's not going to be good for Donald. What will happen after we leave will be ugly. And it will be really easy for those who hate the current administration, or for those who want more war, to go, "Only Cadet Bonespurs would have abandoned our Afghani allies. The coward sold out our Afghan allies to a horrible fate and threw away the sacrifices of countless American servicemen and servicewomen just to distract from impeachment and make his disastrous term look a little better as he runs for re-election. "
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« Reply #13 on: February 14, 2020, 08:23:02 pm »

We need to leave.
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« Reply #14 on: February 14, 2020, 08:25:12 pm »

I think getting out is the right thing, for us and for Afghanistan, but it's not going to be good. (Not that it's good now, before we withdraw, either.)  Giving up and leaving was never going to be easy for the United States, and maybe it will take a liar and conman like Dump to do what should be done.

But if you want to start putting smug political spins on a decades old-disaster, it's not going to be good for Donald. What will happen after we leave will be ugly. And it will be really easy for those who hate the current administration, or for those who want more war, to go, "Only Cadet Bonespurs would have abandoned our Afghani allies. The coward sold out our Afghan allies to a horrible fate and threw away the sacrifices of countless American servicemen and servicewomen just to distract from impeachment and make his disastrous term look a little better as he runs for re-election. "
Trump is more than willing to take those criticisms from war hawks if it means he is doing right by the American people. I'm glad you think Trump is right.
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« Reply #15 on: February 14, 2020, 09:41:00 pm »

I hope he succeeds, and if he does get the US out of Afghanistan he should be commended for that (though overall him being re-elected would still be a bad outcome). I don't think he will actually deliver here though and in 2021 the US will probably still be in Afghanistan.
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« Reply #16 on: February 15, 2020, 03:09:25 am »

It didn't come easy or free, but the Taliban is know bending it's knee to Trump. Not Bush, Not Obama, TRUMP.

Please. Have some dignity.

The Taliban aren't bending the knee - they're biding their time before celebrating their victory, like the North Vietnamese before them.

I think getting out is the right thing, for us and for Afghanistan, but it's not going to be good. (Not that it's good now, before we withdraw, either.)  Giving up and leaving was never going to be easy for the United States, and maybe it will take a liar and conman like Dump to do what should be done.

But if you want to start putting smug political spins on a decades old-disaster, it's not going to be good for Donald. What will happen after we leave will be ugly. And it will be really easy for those who hate the current administration, or for those who want more war, to go, "Only Cadet Bonespurs would have abandoned our Afghani allies. The coward sold out our Afghan allies to a horrible fate and threw away the sacrifices of countless American servicemen and servicewomen just to distract from impeachment and make his disastrous term look a little better as he runs for re-election. "

Ironically enough, the military achieved all of it's military goals. It was the politics at home that fell short. And now here again, the exact same thing is happening. Americans at home don't have the stomach to stay and do what is proper. The non-interventionism is my biggest disagreement with Trump.
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« Reply #17 on: February 21, 2020, 07:20:21 am »

https://apnews.com/62c7a74076796c180677d0826a5da506

US: Taliban’s ‘reduction of violence’ deal to start tonight
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The seven-day “reduction of violence” deal promised by the Taliban will begin on Friday night, a senior U.S. State Department official said, without specifying the exact time. That will start the countdown to the signing of a peace agreement between the Taliban and the United States at the end of the month.

That peace agreement, to be signed in Doha, Qatar, on Feb. 29, will pave the way for a withdrawal of U.S. troops and intra- Afghan negotiations. U.S. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo said the peace agreement will also lead to an eventual permanent cease-fire.

“We are preparing for the signing to take place on February 29,” Pompeo said in a statement. “Intra-Afghan negotiations will start soon thereafter, and will build on this fundamental step to deliver a comprehensive and permanent ceasefire and the future political road map for Afghanistan.”

The State Department official spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss the deal.

But the road ahead is fraught with difficulties.

It’s still not clear who will represent Kabul at the negotiation table for the intra-Afghan talks, considered a key pillar in finding a lasting peace in the war-torn country. The Afghan election commission earlier this week declared President Ashraf Ghani the winner of the presidential elections held in September but his rivals quickly denounced his win.

The Taliban have refused to talk to Ghani’s government and also denounced the election results, saying they will talk to government representatives but only as ordinary Afghans

Pompeo’s statement did not say who would participate in the intra-Afghan negotiations from Kabul, saying only that “’intra-Afghan negotiations will start soon” after the signing in Doha “and will build on this fundamental step to deliver a comprehensive and permanent cease-fire and the future political road map for Afghanistan.”

The Taliban issued their own statement on the reduction of violence deal.

“Both parties will now create a suitable security situation in advance of agreement signing date, extend invitations to senior representatives of numerous countries and organizations to participate in the signing ceremony, make arrangements for the release of prisoners, structure a path for intra-Afghan negotiations with various political parties of the country and finally lay the groundwork for peace across the country with the withdrawal of all foreign forces,” the Taliban said in a statement Friday.

The Taliban added that they will not allow “the land of Afghanistan to be used against security of others so that our people can live a peaceful and prosperous life under the shade of an Islamic system.”

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« Reply #18 on: February 21, 2020, 08:26:25 am »

I'm 100% for the pull out method, but does anybody doubt that within a year of the west leaving, the beards will have murdered dozens of "top ranking Afghan officials" and have control of 75% of the country?  And within 5 we'll be back, ya know, to get them for whatever horrible thing they'd end up doing.
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« Reply #19 on: February 21, 2020, 09:18:36 am »

Afghanistan mission has overall been a huge failure. Not because our brave men and women failed, but because politicians and military leadership have refused to deal with reality for many years. And this proceeds Mr. Trump. The problem is that we're trying to establish something that a large junk of the population doesn't want and that we're dealing with a total corrupt regime.

I'm for getting out and only have small special forces operations if a direct treat to the homeland or allies emerges.
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« Reply #20 on: February 21, 2020, 11:35:52 am »

Secret Annexes, Backroom Deals: Can Zalmay Khalilzad Deliver Afghan Peace for Trump?
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At its heart, Khalilzad’s deal offers this basic bargain: the Taliban will reduce its violent attacks on U.S. and Afghan troops, and the U.S. will withdraw much its forces from the country. The Taliban has agreed to a seven-day “reduction in violence” to show that it’s serious. But, crucially, its leaders will not agree in public to the U.S. demand to keep counterterrorism forces in Afghanistan.

To get past that roadblock, Khalilzad has come up with a rickety workaround. The deal contains secret annexes, according to three people familiar with details of the current draft. The first is an agreement for U.S. counterterrorism forces to stay in the country. The second is a Taliban denouncement of terrorism and violent extremism. The third annex contains a mechanism to monitor whether all sides are honoring the semi-truce while talks between warring Afghan parties proceed, according to two of the sources, and the last addresses how the CIA will operate in future in Taliban-controlled areas.

Details of the secret annexes were provided in writing to TIME by one of the sources, who insisted on anonymity to disclose details of the confidential talks. A U.S. lawmaker and two Afghan officials confirmed that a long-term counterterrorism force numbering 8,600 U.S. troops, down from the current 13,000, is part of the deal. The State Department and Khalilzad’s office declined to comment, as did the CIA. Khalilzad declined to be interviewed for this article. A Taliban official insisted Thursday that the deal requires a full U.S. troop withdrawal and said that talk of secret annexes were just rumors.

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« Reply #21 on: February 21, 2020, 11:18:54 pm »

"Reduction in attacks"
This is literally the sand people quest from KOTOR.
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« Reply #22 on: February 22, 2020, 03:58:16 am »

I don't trust the Taliban leaders and we shouldn't be coming to a truce with the Taliban, we should massively increase our troops into the multiple hundreds of thousands and lay waste to their hideouts to finally completely conquer and cripple the Taliban. You can't do that with 30,000 troops. Yes, it would be expensive. Yes, it would probably cost some lives. But, conquering the Taliban would help us establish an Afghan government with some relevance that would protect us long-term. If we leave now the Taliban will come right out and destroy the Afghan government just like what happened in Vietnam.
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« Reply #23 on: February 22, 2020, 09:16:17 am »

The United States does not negotiate with terrorists. Can't believe Trump would surrender to these cave dwellers.
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« Reply #24 on: February 22, 2020, 09:21:42 am »

The United States does not negotiate with terrorists. Can't believe Trump would surrender to these cave dwellers.

Hell yeah man, this is extremely disappointing.
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