Why do Virginia Democrats have no spine?

[Mr. Reactionary]

Virginia Dems are legislating like the Seattle City Council but it's still not enough for you people because they aren't doing stop and frisk on Appalachians.

The newly elected Soviet majority in Virginiya Oblast is every bit as acrimonious as the California dems -- pulling that off is quite the "distinction."

They didn't even repeal Right to Work!

And why should they? 96% of Va. Workers choose not to be union members. Why repeal a 70 year old law that clearly isn't in need of change? The only obvious reason is to reward corrupt special interest donors that again only make up 4% of workers. Right to work is Pro Worker for 96% of us. The repeal proposal even called for eliminating the secret ballot in union elections... how the hell is that pro worker?

[Mr. Reactionary]

Virginia Dems are legislating like the Seattle City Council but it's still not enough for you people because they aren't doing stop and frisk on Appalachians.

The newly elected Soviet majority in Virginiya Oblast is every bit as acrimonious as the California dems -- pulling that off is quite the "distinction."

They didn't even repeal Right to Work!

And why should they? 96% of Va. Workers choose not to be union members. Why repeal a 70 year old law that clearly isn't in need of change? The only obvious reason is to reward corrupt special interest donors that again only make up 4% of workers. Right to work is Pro Worker for 96% of us. The repeal proposal even called for eliminating the secret ballot in union elections... how the hell is that pro worker?

You realize of course that as a literal card-carrying member of the Federalist Society your perspective on this isn't going to be convincing to leftists either on- or off-forum.

Of course not ... but it still feels good to speak the truth.

[Mr. Reactionary]

Pull funding from rural Virginia until they comply. Richmond and NoVa literally pay for everything and they represent the interests of the majority of Virginians.

Don't let a bunch of cornfields hold back progress.

hmm I wonder what the reason for this is....?

Rural areas are the past. The suburbs are the future. States like Pennsylvania in the 2018 governor's race show just how irrelevant Dem losses are in flyover country as long as we make gains in the suburbs.

It's not just part of America that needs help...it's all of it. And gains in cities and suburbs are great (it helps Democrats win after all) but ignoring a part of the country just cause they didn't vote for you is a pretty bad attitude.

Not to mention that the perception of having pretty much all of your voters in one concentrated area while ignoring more or less every other geographic area is disturbingly reminiscent of Panem from the Hunger Games or modern African tribal politics. Yeah, land dont vote, but you're not going to convince me that the opinion of a majority of a distant population on an issue that is largely concentrated somewhere else is always morally superior to the differing opinion of a majority of those who due to geography actually are the ones actually affected. I mean, if "demuhcracy" is so morally right, then if the people of China and India vote that Americans should have to pay a western privilege tax, we should respect the "will of the people" right? Raw vote totals are meaningless without legitimacy, and while there can certainly be some reasonable/necessary scaling of geography at the federal and state levels where we all have "some" say over potentially local policies, the continued segregation of voters is going to be seen as less and less legitimate over time.

[Mr. Reactionary]

The Democrats' shift into becoming the party of the wealthy and the educated seems at odds with the historical traditions (i.e. the "common man", immigrants, and the working class) that underlay its creation.

One increasingly needs the resources to obtain a social science degree from an expensive school just to understand the new Democrat jargon.

[Mr. Reactionary]

I guess it's how you define Working Class.  In Loudon County VA the workforce participation rate is 75.3%, in Buchanan County VA the workforce participation rate is 37.3%

https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/map/loudouncountyvirginia,US,mcdowellcountywestvirginia,WV/LFE041218

https://wtop.com/loudoun-county/2017/07/loudoun-dubbed-richest-county-america-census-bureau/

Virginia’s Loudoun County has the highest median household income in the United States, with several nearby jurisdictions in Virginia and Maryland close behind, according to the latest U.S. Census Bureau estimates.

Loudoun County’s median household income is $125,900. No. 2 on the list is the City of Falls Church in Virginia, with $122,092.

Nearby Fairfax County, third on the list, has a median household income of $112,844

Edit: in case someone wants to point out the article I posted was from 2017, not much has changed, as proven with this is from 2019:

https://www.loudountimes.com/business/loudoun-county-again-tops-in-the-nation-in-median-household/article_04019b78-e90d-11e9-b29f-afd4cca3c2e8.html

Loudoun County continues to hold the top spot in the U.S. for median household income, according to a recent survey published by the U.S. Census Bureau. Loudoun, which county officials say has held the top spot for the past 12 years, came in at $139,915 in 2018.

Nearby Arlington County came in at No. 5 with $122,394...

...

In the Washington region, Loudoun has the highest household income distribution over $150,000 at 46.4 percent. In terms of renting and leasing in the region, Loudoun also holds the top spot with five or more-bedroom homes (14.4 percent), and ranks second with four-bedroom homes (33.4 percent).

Yeah Loudon is rich and Buchanan is poor, we all knew that

Well, they are working in Loudon, far, far more than the people left in Buchanan county, so i guess they are the working class.  What's  still in Buchanan is more the "elderly, disabled, let's house some prisoners, government check, left behind class"  Or maybe you can call them the death class as deaths exceed births in these counties, sometimes by 2-1.  Pretty much anything west of I-81 and much of the Southside are like this. 

Thank you for continuing to prove my point that Atlas Dems clearly think rich people are more important than poor people and have the right to restrict poor people's rights.

We haven't even begun to talk about any of that.  As i so simply pointed out in my original post, an individual over the age of 16 is twice as likely to have a job in Loudon  compared to Buchanan.  So which county is "working class"?

Once upon a time, like in 1960,  Buchanan cast more votes than Loudon and even voted for that Catholic while Loudon voted for Trick Dick.  Of course, now Loudon casts 25X more votes than Buchanan, so what with one person one vote it carries a bit more weight these days.

Government has been very generous to Buchanan over the years,  funded many initiatives, moved the town of Grundy when it completed flooded, put a prison there (despite it being bad public policy to put one so far in BFE) and gave them some jobs as their coal mines were automated and then began to peter out. 

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/06/business/economy/coal-future-virginia.html

So where are they are now?  22% of the population is 65 or over (vs 9% in Loudon)  19% of the under 65 population has a disability (vs 4% in Loudon)  Last Census year, they had 155 births and 309 deaths (Loudon had 5305 births and 1562 deaths). 

So, if Buchanan doesn't enforce any new gun laws even the constitutional ones, should Va cut them off? Should Buchanan join WV (who can't give them as much money as VA does) and lose their prison and the jobs that came with it?  Should VA just leave them alone?

Doesn't really matter as they are going extinct anyway,  but I would say that any county that refused to enforced a constitutional legal gun law should be penalized by having road funds taken away.  Reagan did something like that in 80s to force states to raise the drinking age to 21.

Basically this. Places like Buchanan County need funds to help their struggling population and put people to work. If you're going to incentivize the county enforcing state laws, punish them through something that doesn't outright harm the people living there.

And to those saying that Democrats do not need the votes of rural areas: it's that sort of dismissive attitude that the people living there hate about Democrats today. They think the party is a bunch of well-off people who look down their noses at people like them.

Most if us would rather be poor and free than still poor and dominated.

[Mr. Reactionary]

Pull funding from rural Virginia until they comply. Richmond and NoVa literally pay for everything and they represent the interests of the majority of Virginians.

Don't let a bunch of cornfields hold back progress.

hmm I wonder what the reason for this is....?

Rural areas are the past. The suburbs are the future. States like Pennsylvania in the 2018 governor's race show just how irrelevant Dem losses are in flyover country as long as we make gains in the suburbs.

It's not just part of America that needs help...it's all of it. And gains in cities and suburbs are great (it helps Democrats win after all) but ignoring a part of the country just cause they didn't vote for you is a pretty bad attitude.

Oh, STFU. When they voted for a traitorous, authoritarian, racist sexual predator, that was the last straw. If they really wanted help, they would show a modicum of humility. Instead, they set out to force minority rule upon the rest of us. So they need to be crushed, deservedly. This is something for the defenders of racist, rural whites to consider: even four years ago, there might have been restraint. And I myself am white. But now, when the levee breaks, there will be no mercy, no quarter. So pat yourselves on the back for electing Trump.

The 3 Democrat executives overseeing this are two minstrel performers and a rapist. There is no moral high ground. Neither party cares about anyone other than big donors.

[Mr. Reactionary]

Pull funding from rural Virginia until they comply. Richmond and NoVa literally pay for everything and they represent the interests of the majority of Virginians.

Don't let a bunch of cornfields hold back progress.

hmm I wonder what the reason for this is....?

Rural areas are the past. The suburbs are the future. States like Pennsylvania in the 2018 governor's race show just how irrelevant Dem losses are in flyover country as long as we make gains in the suburbs.

It's not just part of America that needs help...it's all of it. And gains in cities and suburbs are great (it helps Democrats win after all) but ignoring a part of the country just cause they didn't vote for you is a pretty bad attitude.

Oh, STFU. When they voted for a traitorous, authoritarian, racist sexual predator, that was the last straw. If they really wanted help, they would show a modicum of humility. Instead, they set out to force minority rule upon the rest of us. So they need to be crushed, deservedly. This is something for the defenders of racist, rural whites to consider: even four years ago, there might have been restraint. And I myself am white. But now, when the levee breaks, there will be no mercy, no quarter. So pat yourselves on the back for electing Trump.

The 3 Democrat executives overseeing this are two minstrel performers and a rapist. There is no moral high ground. Neither party cares about anyone other than big donors.

We're not going to venture down this BS road of moral equivalency. How many Democrats knew about Northam or Fairfax prior to the election? How many called for their removal? Yeah, you have zero credibility, so just can it.

Haven't heard a damn peep about "calls for removal" in close to a year from the Dems here.

[Mr. Reactionary]

Virginia Dems are legislating like the Seattle City Council but it's still not enough for you people because they aren't doing stop and frisk on Appalachians.

The newly elected Soviet majority in Virginiya Oblast is every bit as acrimonious as the California dems -- pulling that off is quite the "distinction."

They didn't even repeal Right to Work!

And why should they? 96% of Va. Workers choose not to be union members. Why repeal a 70 year old law that clearly isn't in need of change? The only obvious reason is to reward corrupt special interest donors that again only make up 4% of workers. Right to work is Pro Worker for 96% of us. The repeal proposal even called for eliminating the secret ballot in union elections... how the hell is that pro worker?

Your claim that 96% of Virginia workers "chose" not to be unionized is either grossly misleading or grossly ignorant, or possibly a bit of both. First off, the vast majority of workers don't Indian eyes effectively can't because of modern economics Alaska industrial jobs requiring at least some technical know-how are shrinking. Secondly, more like here, even among those there are tremendous pressures in flouting of the law keeping such people from unionizing, ergo the need to get rid of Right to Work.

I understand it makes you feel good to Envision. Most Virginians are just hardworking people who don't want anything to do with them big city Union bosses blah blah blah oh, but given the choice I submit the vast majority of workers would much prefer to block an organization that might take 2% of their paycheck but helps ensure higher wages and better benefits / safety.

And that's the reason people like you are truly afraid of repealing right to work. Not because most workers so cold and choose not to be nice, but given an opportunity most workers will gladly take that option. And that is destructive to the right-wing Coalition of you and yours. The number one determinant of whether or not a white male will support Democrats whether or not they have a master's degree or greater, or a union card.

In the field I work in, I guarantee no one wants more of their paycheck taken out to pay into a group they don't want to be in and cares more about power than actually helping them. Even those I know who have worked for companies that have unionized have said they aren't worth it.

X Doubt

They can already choose to unionize if they want. Nothing is stopping them, in fact federal law protects them. RTW just says once again that the 96% of workers who are non union cant be forced to participate in union activities if they dont want to, just to hold a job. How terrible. If these mythical workers exist as you claim and they would be perfectly happy forming a union but for the  icky law that allows freedom of choice, then I have no sympathy for them. If you're only hangup from doing something you are allowed to do is not being able to force others to unwillingly do the same thing, then you're anti-worker, anti-choice, and a jerk.

Plus I see no defense of eliminating the secret ballot in certification elections.