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« on: February 11, 2020, 05:24:00 PM »

This is a good point and they should send troopers into those counties. The rural counties are not the majority and they don't make the rules, so they shouldn't get a free pass.

A handful of state troopers vs thousands of armed citizens. 100% chance the troopers don't win. It's also worth noting that many of the troopers in rural counties made clear they will not enforce these laws. How are you going to force them to do it? Fire them and replace them with people who also will not likely enforce the new laws?

But of course the poster that supports the police tossing black men into prison forever over minor crimes also supports targeting harmless civilians to enforce unnecessary laws.


Lawmakers representing DC suburbs are going to have to learn the hard way that ineffective and poorly thought out far left laws are not welcome in Virginia and never will be. They're gonna need to start learning one way or another that ignoring the rural counties will not end well for them.
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« Reply #1 on: February 13, 2020, 10:44:45 AM »

Pull funding from rural Virginia until they comply. Richmond and NoVa literally pay for everything and they represent the interests of the majority of Virginians.

Don't let a bunch of cornfields hold back progress.

Infringing on people's rights and going after harmless citizens over legally acquired property isn't "progress".
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« Reply #2 on: February 14, 2020, 01:01:14 AM »

If rural Virginia does not want to enforce the law, then they should receive no further funding from the state government.
Then they should stop paying taxes.  No services, no tax.  Come and collect the money from millions of angry citizens by force and see how it works out.  

That would work out just fine since the wealth is mainly concentrated in NoVa.

Atlas Dems admitting that they think wealthy people are more important and are allowed to strip poor people of their rights.
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« Reply #3 on: February 14, 2020, 12:47:27 PM »
« Edited: February 14, 2020, 12:52:55 PM by Representative fhtagn »

I guess it's how you define Working Class.  In Loudon County VA the workforce participation rate is 75.3%, in Buchanan County VA the workforce participation rate is 37.3%

https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/map/loudouncountyvirginia,US,mcdowellcountywestvirginia,WV/LFE041218

https://wtop.com/loudoun-county/2017/07/loudoun-dubbed-richest-county-america-census-bureau/

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Virginia’s Loudoun County has the highest median household income in the United States, with several nearby jurisdictions in Virginia and Maryland close behind, according to the latest U.S. Census Bureau estimates.

Loudoun County’s median household income is $125,900. No. 2 on the list is the City of Falls Church in Virginia, with $122,092.

Nearby Fairfax County, third on the list, has a median household income of $112,844


Edit: in case someone wants to point out the article I posted was from 2017, not much has changed, as proven with this is from 2019:

https://www.loudountimes.com/business/loudoun-county-again-tops-in-the-nation-in-median-household/article_04019b78-e90d-11e9-b29f-afd4cca3c2e8.html

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Loudoun County continues to hold the top spot in the U.S. for median household income, according to a recent survey published by the U.S. Census Bureau. Loudoun, which county officials say has held the top spot for the past 12 years, came in at $139,915 in 2018.

Nearby Arlington County came in at No. 5 with $122,394...

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In the Washington region, Loudoun has the highest household income distribution over $150,000 at 46.4 percent. In terms of renting and leasing in the region, Loudoun also holds the top spot with five or more-bedroom homes (14.4 percent), and ranks second with four-bedroom homes (33.4 percent).
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« Reply #4 on: February 14, 2020, 12:58:11 PM »

Virginia Dems are legislating like the Seattle City Council but it's still not enough for you people because they aren't doing stop and frisk on Appalachians.

The newly elected Soviet majority in Virginiya Oblast is every bit as acrimonious as the California dems -- pulling that off is quite the "distinction."

They didn't even repeal Right to Work!

And why should they? 96% of Va. Workers choose not to be union members. Why repeal a 70 year old law that clearly isn't in need of change? The only obvious reason is to reward corrupt special interest donors that again only make up 4% of workers. Right to work is Pro Worker for 96% of us. The repeal proposal even called for eliminating the secret ballot in union elections... how the hell is that pro worker?

Your claim that 96% of Virginia workers "chose" not to be unionized is either grossly misleading or grossly ignorant, or possibly a bit of both. First off, the vast majority of workers don't Indian eyes effectively can't because of modern economics Alaska industrial jobs requiring at least some technical know-how are shrinking. Secondly, more like here, even among those there are tremendous pressures in flouting of the law keeping such people from unionizing, ergo the need to get rid of Right to Work.

I understand it makes you feel good to Envision. Most Virginians are just hardworking people who don't want anything to do with them big city Union bosses blah blah blah oh, but given the choice I submit the vast majority of workers would much prefer to block an organization that might take 2% of their paycheck but helps ensure higher wages and better benefits / safety.

And that's the reason people like you are truly afraid of repealing right to work. Not because most workers so cold and choose not to be nice, but given an opportunity most workers will gladly take that option. And that is destructive to the right-wing Coalition of you and yours. The number one determinant of whether or not a white male will support Democrats whether or not they have a master's degree or greater, or a union card.

In the field I work in, I guarantee no one wants more of their paycheck taken out to pay into a group they don't want to be in and cares more about power than actually helping them. Even those I know who have worked for companies that have unionized have said they aren't worth it.
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« Reply #5 on: February 14, 2020, 03:27:56 PM »

I guess it's how you define Working Class.  In Loudon County VA the workforce participation rate is 75.3%, in Buchanan County VA the workforce participation rate is 37.3%

https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/map/loudouncountyvirginia,US,mcdowellcountywestvirginia,WV/LFE041218

https://wtop.com/loudoun-county/2017/07/loudoun-dubbed-richest-county-america-census-bureau/

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Virginia’s Loudoun County has the highest median household income in the United States, with several nearby jurisdictions in Virginia and Maryland close behind, according to the latest U.S. Census Bureau estimates.

Loudoun County’s median household income is $125,900. No. 2 on the list is the City of Falls Church in Virginia, with $122,092.

Nearby Fairfax County, third on the list, has a median household income of $112,844


Edit: in case someone wants to point out the article I posted was from 2017, not much has changed, as proven with this is from 2019:

https://www.loudountimes.com/business/loudoun-county-again-tops-in-the-nation-in-median-household/article_04019b78-e90d-11e9-b29f-afd4cca3c2e8.html

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Loudoun County continues to hold the top spot in the U.S. for median household income, according to a recent survey published by the U.S. Census Bureau. Loudoun, which county officials say has held the top spot for the past 12 years, came in at $139,915 in 2018.

Nearby Arlington County came in at No. 5 with $122,394...

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In the Washington region, Loudoun has the highest household income distribution over $150,000 at 46.4 percent. In terms of renting and leasing in the region, Loudoun also holds the top spot with five or more-bedroom homes (14.4 percent), and ranks second with four-bedroom homes (33.4 percent).


Yeah Loudon is rich and Buchanan is poor, we all knew that

Well, they are working in Loudon, far, far more than the people left in Buchanan county, so i guess they are the working class.  What's  still in Buchanan is more the "elderly, disabled, let's house some prisoners, government check, left behind class"  Or maybe you can call them the death class as deaths exceed births in these counties, sometimes by 2-1.  Pretty much anything west of I-81 and much of the Southside are like this. 

Thank you for continuing to prove my point that Atlas Dems clearly think rich people are more important than poor people and have the right to restrict poor people's rights.
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« Reply #6 on: February 14, 2020, 07:16:50 PM »

The flip-side of the "Dems don't care about rural americans" is that Republicans not only don't care about urban americans (especially "urban" americans), they are explicit that they are not "real" Americans at all and not legitimate political actors.

In fact, animosity against "those" people has been the guiding ideology of the GOP since 1968!

Republicans only pretend to care about rural Americans anyway, their policies harm their own base-perhaps more than those policies harm the Democratic base.

Dem policies often do more harm than good to their own base. They just pander enough to make it look like they care.
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« Reply #7 on: February 15, 2020, 12:08:57 AM »

The flip-side of the "Dems don't care about rural americans" is that Republicans not only don't care about urban americans (especially "urban" americans), they are explicit that they are not "real" Americans at all and not legitimate political actors.

In fact, animosity against "those" people has been the guiding ideology of the GOP since 1968!

Republicans only pretend to care about rural Americans anyway, their policies harm their own base-perhaps more than those policies harm the Democratic base.

Dem policies often do more harm than good to their own base. They just pander enough to make it look like they care.

Is it really "pandering" when our party is the one willing to stick up for minorities when the other could honestly care less about them?

When their policies cause harm to minorities, yes, it is pandering.
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« Reply #8 on: February 15, 2020, 05:38:42 PM »

If rural Virginia does not want to enforce the law, then they should receive no further funding from the state government.
Then they should stop paying taxes.  No services, no tax.  Come and collect the money from millions of angry citizens by force and see how it works out.  

Good — let them go feral. Remember: they leech off of us, not the other way around. And if they want to organize a violent insurrection — which is exactly what you're threatening — they can confront the full force of a lavishly funded, technologically sophisticated attack. They'll be wiped out, just like their depraved Confederate brethren a century ago.

Do tell us how much you've paid in taxes in the state of Virginia. 
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