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« Reply #25 on: February 13, 2020, 04:13:13 PM »

Pull funding from rural Virginia until they comply. Richmond and NoVa literally pay for everything and they represent the interests of the majority of Virginians.

Don't let a bunch of cornfields hold back progress.





hmm I wonder what the reason for this is....?

Rural areas are the past. The suburbs are the future. States like Pennsylvania in the 2018 governor's race show just how irrelevant Dem losses are in flyover country as long as we make gains in the suburbs.

Long response: This depends on the state and on exactly how bad the rural bleeding is; getting blown out 65-35 is not the same as getting blown out 80-20. Note the Kentucky 2019 governor's race, and note the infamous Chuck Schumer quote about winning two voters on the Philadelphia Main Line or whatever for every voter lost in Western Pennsylvania.
Short response: okey-dokey, wokie
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« Reply #26 on: February 13, 2020, 05:36:23 PM »

Virginia Dems are legislating like the Seattle City Council but it's still not enough for you people because they aren't doing stop and frisk on Appalachians.

The newly elected Soviet majority in Virginiya Oblast is every bit as acrimonious as the California dems -- pulling that off is quite the "distinction."

They didn't even repeal Right to Work!

And why should they? 96% of Va. Workers choose not to be union members. Why repeal a 70 year old law that clearly isn't in need of change? The only obvious reason is to reward corrupt special interest donors that again only make up 4% of workers. Right to work is Pro Worker for 96% of us. The repeal proposal even called for eliminating the secret ballot in union elections... how the hell is that pro worker?
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« Reply #27 on: February 13, 2020, 06:01:47 PM »

Virginia Dems are legislating like the Seattle City Council but it's still not enough for you people because they aren't doing stop and frisk on Appalachians.

The newly elected Soviet majority in Virginiya Oblast is every bit as acrimonious as the California dems -- pulling that off is quite the "distinction."

They didn't even repeal Right to Work!

And why should they? 96% of Va. Workers choose not to be union members. Why repeal a 70 year old law that clearly isn't in need of change? The only obvious reason is to reward corrupt special interest donors that again only make up 4% of workers. Right to work is Pro Worker for 96% of us. The repeal proposal even called for eliminating the secret ballot in union elections... how the hell is that pro worker?

You realize of course that as a literal card-carrying member of the Federalist Society your perspective on this isn't going to be convincing to leftists either on- or off-forum.
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« Reply #28 on: February 13, 2020, 06:04:38 PM »

Virginia Dems are legislating like the Seattle City Council but it's still not enough for you people because they aren't doing stop and frisk on Appalachians.

The newly elected Soviet majority in Virginiya Oblast is every bit as acrimonious as the California dems -- pulling that off is quite the "distinction."

They didn't even repeal Right to Work!

And why should they? 96% of Va. Workers choose not to be union members. Why repeal a 70 year old law that clearly isn't in need of change? The only obvious reason is to reward corrupt special interest donors that again only make up 4% of workers. Right to work is Pro Worker for 96% of us. The repeal proposal even called for eliminating the secret ballot in union elections... how the hell is that pro worker?

You realize of course that as a literal card-carrying member of the Federalist Society your perspective on this isn't going to be convincing to leftists either on- or off-forum.

Of course not ... but it still feels good to speak the truth. Grin
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« Reply #29 on: February 13, 2020, 06:19:44 PM »

Pull funding from rural Virginia until they comply. Richmond and NoVa literally pay for everything and they represent the interests of the majority of Virginians.

Don't let a bunch of cornfields hold back progress.





hmm I wonder what the reason for this is....?

Rural areas are the past. The suburbs are the future. States like Pennsylvania in the 2018 governor's race show just how irrelevant Dem losses are in flyover country as long as we make gains in the suburbs.
It's not just part of America that needs help...it's all of it. And gains in cities and suburbs are great (it helps Democrats win after all) but ignoring a part of the country just cause they didn't vote for you is a pretty bad attitude.
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« Reply #30 on: February 13, 2020, 06:38:08 PM »

Pull funding from rural Virginia until they comply. Richmond and NoVa literally pay for everything and they represent the interests of the majority of Virginians.

Don't let a bunch of cornfields hold back progress.





hmm I wonder what the reason for this is....?

Rural areas are the past. The suburbs are the future. States like Pennsylvania in the 2018 governor's race show just how irrelevant Dem losses are in flyover country as long as we make gains in the suburbs.
It's not just part of America that needs help...it's all of it. And gains in cities and suburbs are great (it helps Democrats win after all) but ignoring a part of the country just cause they didn't vote for you is a pretty bad attitude.


Not to mention that the perception of having pretty much all of your voters in one concentrated area while ignoring more or less every other geographic area is disturbingly reminiscent of Panem from the Hunger Games or modern African tribal politics. Yeah, land dont vote, but you're not going to convince me that the opinion of a majority of a distant population on an issue that is largely concentrated somewhere else is always morally superior to the differing opinion of a majority of those who due to geography actually are the ones actually affected. I mean, if "demuhcracy" is so morally right, then if the people of China and India vote that Americans should have to pay a western privilege tax, we should respect the "will of the people" right? Raw vote totals are meaningless without legitimacy, and while there can certainly be some reasonable/necessary scaling of geography at the federal and state levels where we all have "some" say over potentially local policies, the continued segregation of voters is going to be seen as less and less legitimate over time.
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« Reply #31 on: February 13, 2020, 08:54:41 PM »

If rural Virginia does not want to enforce the law, then they should receive no further funding from the state government.
Then they should stop paying taxes.  No services, no tax.  Come and collect the money from millions of angry citizens by force and see how it works out. 
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« Reply #32 on: February 13, 2020, 10:52:59 PM »

Pull funding from rural Virginia until they comply. Richmond and NoVa literally pay for everything and they represent the interests of the majority of Virginians.

Don't let a bunch of cornfields hold back progress.





hmm I wonder what the reason for this is....?

Rural areas are the past. The suburbs are the future. States like Pennsylvania in the 2018 governor's race show just how irrelevant Dem losses are in flyover country as long as we make gains in the suburbs.

Long response: This depends on the state and on exactly how bad the rural bleeding is; getting blown out 65-35 is not the same as getting blown out 80-20. Note the Kentucky 2019 governor's race, and note the infamous Chuck Schumer quote about winning two voters on the Philadelphia Main Line or whatever for every voter lost in Western Pennsylvania.
Short response: okey-dokey, wokie

Alright, fine, we shouldn't ignore them. But we shouldn't bend over for them. Gun control will save lives and a rural county with a population of 1,500 shouldn't be holding the state legislature back.
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« Reply #33 on: February 13, 2020, 10:55:26 PM »

If rural Virginia does not want to enforce the law, then they should receive no further funding from the state government.
Then they should stop paying taxes.  No services, no tax.  Come and collect the money from millions of angry citizens by force and see how it works out. 

That would work out just fine since the wealth is mainly concentrated in NoVa.
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« Reply #34 on: February 13, 2020, 11:14:19 PM »

If rural Virginia does not want to enforce the law, then they should receive no further funding from the state government.
Then they should stop paying taxes.  No services, no tax.  Come and collect the money from millions of angry citizens by force and see how it works out. 

That would work out just fine since the wealth is mainly concentrated in NoVa.


and why is that, anyway?
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« Reply #35 on: February 14, 2020, 12:46:01 AM »

If rural Virginia does not want to enforce the law, then they should receive no further funding from the state government.
Then they should stop paying taxes.  No services, no tax.  Come and collect the money from millions of angry citizens by force and see how it works out. 

That would work out just fine since the wealth is mainly concentrated in NoVa.
Richmond still gets billions from the rest of the state.  NoVa being richer than other areas doesn't mean that is where most of the revenue comes from. 
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« Reply #36 on: February 14, 2020, 01:01:14 AM »

If rural Virginia does not want to enforce the law, then they should receive no further funding from the state government.
Then they should stop paying taxes.  No services, no tax.  Come and collect the money from millions of angry citizens by force and see how it works out.  

That would work out just fine since the wealth is mainly concentrated in NoVa.

Atlas Dems admitting that they think wealthy people are more important and are allowed to strip poor people of their rights.
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« Reply #37 on: February 14, 2020, 02:00:04 AM »

If rural Virginia does not want to enforce the law, then they should receive no further funding from the state government.
Then they should stop paying taxes.  No services, no tax.  Come and collect the money from millions of angry citizens by force and see how it works out.  

That would work out just fine since the wealth is mainly concentrated in NoVa.

Atlas Dems admitting that they think wealthy people are more important and are allowed to strip poor people of their rights.

It amazes me the extent to which the Democratic Party has become the party of the rich. I recall reading an article somewhere (I think it was on Yahoo News) that all ten of the country's wealthiest congressional districts are now represented by Democrats. Extremely wealthy areas like the Upper East Side of Manhattan, Westchester County, the D.C. and Northern Virginia suburbs, the Chicago suburbs, Middlesex County, Fairfield County, the San Francisco Bay Area, etc. are all solidly Democratic now, and becoming even more so. And other wealthy areas-Orange County, the Atlanta suburbs, Fort Bend County, etc.-are moving relentlessly away from Republicans.
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« Reply #38 on: February 14, 2020, 02:02:54 AM »

Pull funding from rural Virginia until they comply. Richmond and NoVa literally pay for everything and they represent the interests of the majority of Virginians.

Don't let a bunch of cornfields hold back progress.





hmm I wonder what the reason for this is....?

Rural areas are the past. The suburbs are the future. States like Pennsylvania in the 2018 governor's race show just how irrelevant Dem losses are in flyover country as long as we make gains in the suburbs.

This is true, but it's still depressing, in my view, even though I've recognized long since that rural areas are completely unreceptive to Democrats, and in many states are written off. In Pennsylvania for example, Tom Wolf lost ancestrally Democratic Greene County, a working-class county near Pittsburgh that had been with the Party ever since the days of Andrew Jackson, and picked up ancestrally Republican Cumberland County, one of the wealthiest counties in the state. The Democrats' shift into becoming the party of the wealthy and the educated seems at odds with the historical traditions (i.e. the "common man", immigrants, and the working class) that underlay its creation.
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« Reply #39 on: February 14, 2020, 07:21:15 AM »

The Democrats' shift into becoming the party of the wealthy and the educated seems at odds with the historical traditions (i.e. the "common man", immigrants, and the working class) that underlay its creation.

One increasingly needs the resources to obtain a social science degree from an expensive school just to understand the new Democrat jargon.
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« Reply #40 on: February 14, 2020, 11:13:15 AM »

I guess it's how you define Working Class.  In Loudon County VA the workforce participation rate is 75.3%, in Buchanan County VA the workforce participation rate is 37.3%

https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/map/loudouncountyvirginia,US,mcdowellcountywestvirginia,WV/LFE041218
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« Reply #41 on: February 14, 2020, 11:24:01 AM »

Virginia Dems are legislating like the Seattle City Council but it's still not enough for you people because they aren't doing stop and frisk on Appalachians.

The newly elected Soviet majority in Virginiya Oblast is every bit as acrimonious as the California dems -- pulling that off is quite the "distinction."

They didn't even repeal Right to Work!

And why should they? 96% of Va. Workers choose not to be union members. Why repeal a 70 year old law that clearly isn't in need of change? The only obvious reason is to reward corrupt special interest donors that again only make up 4% of workers. Right to work is Pro Worker for 96% of us. The repeal proposal even called for eliminating the secret ballot in union elections... how the hell is that pro worker?

Your claim that 96% of Virginia workers "chose" not to be unionized is either grossly misleading or grossly ignorant, or possibly a bit of both. First off, the vast majority of workers don't Indian eyes effectively can't because of modern economics Alaska industrial jobs requiring at least some technical know-how are shrinking. Secondly, more like here, even among those there are tremendous pressures in flouting of the law keeping such people from unionizing, ergo the need to get rid of Right to Work.

I understand it makes you feel good to Envision. Most Virginians are just hardworking people who don't want anything to do with them big city Union bosses blah blah blah oh, but given the choice I submit the vast majority of workers would much prefer to block an organization that might take 2% of their paycheck but helps ensure higher wages and better benefits / safety.

And that's the reason people like you are truly afraid of repealing right to work. Not because most workers so cold and choose not to be nice, but given an opportunity most workers will gladly take that option. And that is destructive to the right-wing Coalition of you and yours. The number one determinant of whether or not a white male will support Democrats whether or not they have a master's degree or greater, or a union card.
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« Reply #42 on: February 14, 2020, 11:35:38 AM »

First off, the vast majority of workers don't Indian eyes effectively can't because of modern economics Alaska industrial jobs requiring at least some technical know-how are shrinking.

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« Reply #43 on: February 14, 2020, 11:38:13 AM »

If rural Virginia does not want to enforce the law, then they should receive no further funding from the state government.
Then they should stop paying taxes.  No services, no tax.  Come and collect the money from millions of angry citizens by force and see how it works out.  

That would work out just fine since the wealth is mainly concentrated in NoVa.

Atlas Dems admitting that they think wealthy people are more important and are allowed to strip poor people of their rights.

It amazes me the extent to which the Democratic Party has become the party of the rich. I recall reading an article somewhere (I think it was on Yahoo News) that all ten of the country's wealthiest congressional districts are now represented by Democrats. Extremely wealthy areas like the Upper East Side of Manhattan, Westchester County, the D.C. and Northern Virginia suburbs, the Chicago suburbs, Middlesex County, Fairfield County, the San Francisco Bay Area, etc. are all solidly Democratic now, and becoming even more so. And other wealthy areas-Orange County, the Atlanta suburbs, Fort Bend County, etc.-are moving relentlessly away from Republicans.


Well To be fair wealthy areas  does not equal wealthy people . In fact areas like NoVA and the Bay Area being so wealthy make those areas super expensive for most people there so policies like rent control and all become more popular(even though they aren’t good policies ).


For example Republicans still may be winning the vote of the wealthy people in many of those areas , it’s just that it’s not nearly enough to win those counties
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« Reply #44 on: February 14, 2020, 11:56:23 AM »

We have an R Prez still, and Dem agenda is stalled until a new Dem Prez is sworn in
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« Reply #45 on: February 14, 2020, 12:43:53 PM »

If rural Virginia does not want to enforce the law, then they should receive no further funding from the state government.

Yes, eliminate all state funding and help for those counties, when they beg for it back make them enforce the laws to receive that funding again. Simple and it will put a dire hurt on these rural Republican welfare queens.
Kind of like how the federal government should withhold funding from sanctuary cities that refuse to enforce the law, right?
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« Reply #46 on: February 14, 2020, 12:47:27 PM »
« Edited: February 14, 2020, 12:52:55 PM by Representative fhtagn »

I guess it's how you define Working Class.  In Loudon County VA the workforce participation rate is 75.3%, in Buchanan County VA the workforce participation rate is 37.3%

https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/map/loudouncountyvirginia,US,mcdowellcountywestvirginia,WV/LFE041218

https://wtop.com/loudoun-county/2017/07/loudoun-dubbed-richest-county-america-census-bureau/

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Virginia’s Loudoun County has the highest median household income in the United States, with several nearby jurisdictions in Virginia and Maryland close behind, according to the latest U.S. Census Bureau estimates.

Loudoun County’s median household income is $125,900. No. 2 on the list is the City of Falls Church in Virginia, with $122,092.

Nearby Fairfax County, third on the list, has a median household income of $112,844


Edit: in case someone wants to point out the article I posted was from 2017, not much has changed, as proven with this is from 2019:

https://www.loudountimes.com/business/loudoun-county-again-tops-in-the-nation-in-median-household/article_04019b78-e90d-11e9-b29f-afd4cca3c2e8.html

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Loudoun County continues to hold the top spot in the U.S. for median household income, according to a recent survey published by the U.S. Census Bureau. Loudoun, which county officials say has held the top spot for the past 12 years, came in at $139,915 in 2018.

Nearby Arlington County came in at No. 5 with $122,394...

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In the Washington region, Loudoun has the highest household income distribution over $150,000 at 46.4 percent. In terms of renting and leasing in the region, Loudoun also holds the top spot with five or more-bedroom homes (14.4 percent), and ranks second with four-bedroom homes (33.4 percent).
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« Reply #47 on: February 14, 2020, 12:58:11 PM »

Virginia Dems are legislating like the Seattle City Council but it's still not enough for you people because they aren't doing stop and frisk on Appalachians.

The newly elected Soviet majority in Virginiya Oblast is every bit as acrimonious as the California dems -- pulling that off is quite the "distinction."

They didn't even repeal Right to Work!

And why should they? 96% of Va. Workers choose not to be union members. Why repeal a 70 year old law that clearly isn't in need of change? The only obvious reason is to reward corrupt special interest donors that again only make up 4% of workers. Right to work is Pro Worker for 96% of us. The repeal proposal even called for eliminating the secret ballot in union elections... how the hell is that pro worker?

Your claim that 96% of Virginia workers "chose" not to be unionized is either grossly misleading or grossly ignorant, or possibly a bit of both. First off, the vast majority of workers don't Indian eyes effectively can't because of modern economics Alaska industrial jobs requiring at least some technical know-how are shrinking. Secondly, more like here, even among those there are tremendous pressures in flouting of the law keeping such people from unionizing, ergo the need to get rid of Right to Work.

I understand it makes you feel good to Envision. Most Virginians are just hardworking people who don't want anything to do with them big city Union bosses blah blah blah oh, but given the choice I submit the vast majority of workers would much prefer to block an organization that might take 2% of their paycheck but helps ensure higher wages and better benefits / safety.

And that's the reason people like you are truly afraid of repealing right to work. Not because most workers so cold and choose not to be nice, but given an opportunity most workers will gladly take that option. And that is destructive to the right-wing Coalition of you and yours. The number one determinant of whether or not a white male will support Democrats whether or not they have a master's degree or greater, or a union card.

In the field I work in, I guarantee no one wants more of their paycheck taken out to pay into a group they don't want to be in and cares more about power than actually helping them. Even those I know who have worked for companies that have unionized have said they aren't worth it.
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« Reply #48 on: February 14, 2020, 03:07:30 PM »

I guess it's how you define Working Class.  In Loudon County VA the workforce participation rate is 75.3%, in Buchanan County VA the workforce participation rate is 37.3%

https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/map/loudouncountyvirginia,US,mcdowellcountywestvirginia,WV/LFE041218

https://wtop.com/loudoun-county/2017/07/loudoun-dubbed-richest-county-america-census-bureau/

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Virginia’s Loudoun County has the highest median household income in the United States, with several nearby jurisdictions in Virginia and Maryland close behind, according to the latest U.S. Census Bureau estimates.

Loudoun County’s median household income is $125,900. No. 2 on the list is the City of Falls Church in Virginia, with $122,092.

Nearby Fairfax County, third on the list, has a median household income of $112,844


Edit: in case someone wants to point out the article I posted was from 2017, not much has changed, as proven with this is from 2019:

https://www.loudountimes.com/business/loudoun-county-again-tops-in-the-nation-in-median-household/article_04019b78-e90d-11e9-b29f-afd4cca3c2e8.html

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Loudoun County continues to hold the top spot in the U.S. for median household income, according to a recent survey published by the U.S. Census Bureau. Loudoun, which county officials say has held the top spot for the past 12 years, came in at $139,915 in 2018.

Nearby Arlington County came in at No. 5 with $122,394...

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In the Washington region, Loudoun has the highest household income distribution over $150,000 at 46.4 percent. In terms of renting and leasing in the region, Loudoun also holds the top spot with five or more-bedroom homes (14.4 percent), and ranks second with four-bedroom homes (33.4 percent).


Yeah Loudon is rich and Buchanan is poor, we all knew that

Well, they are working in Loudon, far, far more than the people left in Buchanan county, so i guess they are the working class.  What's  still in Buchanan is more the "elderly, disabled, let's house some prisoners, government check, left behind class"  Or maybe you can call them the death class as deaths exceed births in these counties, sometimes by 2-1.  Pretty much anything west of I-81 and much of the Southside are like this. 
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« Reply #49 on: February 14, 2020, 03:27:56 PM »

I guess it's how you define Working Class.  In Loudon County VA the workforce participation rate is 75.3%, in Buchanan County VA the workforce participation rate is 37.3%

https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/map/loudouncountyvirginia,US,mcdowellcountywestvirginia,WV/LFE041218

https://wtop.com/loudoun-county/2017/07/loudoun-dubbed-richest-county-america-census-bureau/

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Virginia’s Loudoun County has the highest median household income in the United States, with several nearby jurisdictions in Virginia and Maryland close behind, according to the latest U.S. Census Bureau estimates.

Loudoun County’s median household income is $125,900. No. 2 on the list is the City of Falls Church in Virginia, with $122,092.

Nearby Fairfax County, third on the list, has a median household income of $112,844


Edit: in case someone wants to point out the article I posted was from 2017, not much has changed, as proven with this is from 2019:

https://www.loudountimes.com/business/loudoun-county-again-tops-in-the-nation-in-median-household/article_04019b78-e90d-11e9-b29f-afd4cca3c2e8.html

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Loudoun County continues to hold the top spot in the U.S. for median household income, according to a recent survey published by the U.S. Census Bureau. Loudoun, which county officials say has held the top spot for the past 12 years, came in at $139,915 in 2018.

Nearby Arlington County came in at No. 5 with $122,394...

...

In the Washington region, Loudoun has the highest household income distribution over $150,000 at 46.4 percent. In terms of renting and leasing in the region, Loudoun also holds the top spot with five or more-bedroom homes (14.4 percent), and ranks second with four-bedroom homes (33.4 percent).


Yeah Loudon is rich and Buchanan is poor, we all knew that

Well, they are working in Loudon, far, far more than the people left in Buchanan county, so i guess they are the working class.  What's  still in Buchanan is more the "elderly, disabled, let's house some prisoners, government check, left behind class"  Or maybe you can call them the death class as deaths exceed births in these counties, sometimes by 2-1.  Pretty much anything west of I-81 and much of the Southside are like this. 

Thank you for continuing to prove my point that Atlas Dems clearly think rich people are more important than poor people and have the right to restrict poor people's rights.
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