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« Reply #75 on: February 15, 2020, 08:09:26 PM »

If rural Virginia does not want to enforce the law, then they should receive no further funding from the state government.
Then they should stop paying taxes.  No services, no tax.  Come and collect the money from millions of angry citizens by force and see how it works out.  

That would work out just fine since the wealth is mainly concentrated in NoVa.

Atlas Dems admitting that they think wealthy people are more important and are allowed to strip poor people of their rights.

It amazes me the extent to which the Democratic Party has become the party of the rich. I recall reading an article somewhere (I think it was on Yahoo News) that all ten of the country's wealthiest congressional districts are now represented by Democrats. Extremely wealthy areas like the Upper East Side of Manhattan, Westchester County, the D.C. and Northern Virginia suburbs, the Chicago suburbs, Middlesex County, Fairfield County, the San Francisco Bay Area, etc. are all solidly Democratic now, and becoming even more so. And other wealthy areas-Orange County, the Atlanta suburbs, Fort Bend County, etc.-are moving relentlessly away from Republicans.


Well To be fair wealthy areas  does not equal wealthy people . In fact areas like NoVA and the Bay Area being so wealthy make those areas super expensive for most people there so policies like rent control and all become more popular(even though they aren’t good policies ).


For example Republicans still may be winning the vote of the wealthy people in many of those areas , it’s just that it’s not nearly enough to win those counties

Hillary Clinton virtually tied Trump among the wealthiest Americans in 2016, and probably won a clear majority of them in most of the places that I listed above. And Democrats definitely won the "rich" vote in the 2018 midterms. Moreover, I expect suburban trends to continue, and wouldn't be surprised if Trump does even worse in many of these places.


Not really :

https://www.cnn.com/election/2018/exit-polls


Republicans only won among voters who made 100k or more and lost the under 50k category by 21 points
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« Reply #76 on: February 15, 2020, 10:10:09 PM »

If rural Virginia does not want to enforce the law, then they should receive no further funding from the state government.
Then they should stop paying taxes.  No services, no tax.  Come and collect the money from millions of angry citizens by force and see how it works out.  

That would work out just fine since the wealth is mainly concentrated in NoVa.

Atlas Dems admitting that they think wealthy people are more important and are allowed to strip poor people of their rights.

It amazes me the extent to which the Democratic Party has become the party of the rich. I recall reading an article somewhere (I think it was on Yahoo News) that all ten of the country's wealthiest congressional districts are now represented by Democrats. Extremely wealthy areas like the Upper East Side of Manhattan, Westchester County, the D.C. and Northern Virginia suburbs, the Chicago suburbs, Middlesex County, Fairfield County, the San Francisco Bay Area, etc. are all solidly Democratic now, and becoming even more so. And other wealthy areas-Orange County, the Atlanta suburbs, Fort Bend County, etc.-are moving relentlessly away from Republicans.


Well To be fair wealthy areas  does not equal wealthy people . In fact areas like NoVA and the Bay Area being so wealthy make those areas super expensive for most people there so policies like rent control and all become more popular(even though they aren’t good policies ).


For example Republicans still may be winning the vote of the wealthy people in many of those areas , it’s just that it’s not nearly enough to win those counties

Hillary Clinton virtually tied Trump among the wealthiest Americans in 2016, and probably won a clear majority of them in most of the places that I listed above. And Democrats definitely won the "rich" vote in the 2018 midterms. Moreover, I expect suburban trends to continue, and wouldn't be surprised if Trump does even worse in many of these places.


Not really :

https://www.cnn.com/election/2018/exit-polls


Republicans only won among voters who made 100k or more and lost the under 50k category by 21 points


According to this article, Hillary Clinton won the nation's wealthiest neighborhoods handily in 2016: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/07/27/upshot/white-voters-precinct-analysis.html, and this article highlights the Democratic gains in the wealthiest congressional districts: https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2018/politics/midterm-election-precinct-results/. I'd be very surprised if Republicans somehow managed to still carry that vote when losing so much ground in the districts, precincts, and neighborhoods that they live.
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« Reply #77 on: February 15, 2020, 10:52:38 PM »

If rural Virginia does not want to enforce the law, then they should receive no further funding from the state government.
Then they should stop paying taxes.  No services, no tax.  Come and collect the money from millions of angry citizens by force and see how it works out.  

That would work out just fine since the wealth is mainly concentrated in NoVa.

Atlas Dems admitting that they think wealthy people are more important and are allowed to strip poor people of their rights.

It amazes me the extent to which the Democratic Party has become the party of the rich. I recall reading an article somewhere (I think it was on Yahoo News) that all ten of the country's wealthiest congressional districts are now represented by Democrats. Extremely wealthy areas like the Upper East Side of Manhattan, Westchester County, the D.C. and Northern Virginia suburbs, the Chicago suburbs, Middlesex County, Fairfield County, the San Francisco Bay Area, etc. are all solidly Democratic now, and becoming even more so. And other wealthy areas-Orange County, the Atlanta suburbs, Fort Bend County, etc.-are moving relentlessly away from Republicans.


Well To be fair wealthy areas  does not equal wealthy people . In fact areas like NoVA and the Bay Area being so wealthy make those areas super expensive for most people there so policies like rent control and all become more popular(even though they aren’t good policies ).


For example Republicans still may be winning the vote of the wealthy people in many of those areas , it’s just that it’s not nearly enough to win those counties

Hillary Clinton virtually tied Trump among the wealthiest Americans in 2016, and probably won a clear majority of them in most of the places that I listed above. And Democrats definitely won the "rich" vote in the 2018 midterms. Moreover, I expect suburban trends to continue, and wouldn't be surprised if Trump does even worse in many of these places.


Not really :

https://www.cnn.com/election/2018/exit-polls


Republicans only won among voters who made 100k or more and lost the under 50k category by 21 points


According to this article, Hillary Clinton won the nation's wealthiest neighborhoods handily in 2016: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/07/27/upshot/white-voters-precinct-analysis.html, and this article highlights the Democratic gains in the wealthiest congressional districts: https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2018/politics/midterm-election-precinct-results/. I'd be very surprised if Republicans somehow managed to still carry that vote when losing so much ground in the districts, precincts, and neighborhoods that they live.


Again wealthy congressional districts does not equal wealthy people .


The exit poll I linked had Republicans only winning in 2018 among voters who won 100k or more and got destroyed by the ones making less than 50k
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« Reply #78 on: February 15, 2020, 10:56:37 PM »

If rural Virginia does not want to enforce the law, then they should receive no further funding from the state government.
Then they should stop paying taxes.  No services, no tax.  Come and collect the money from millions of angry citizens by force and see how it works out.  

That would work out just fine since the wealth is mainly concentrated in NoVa.

Atlas Dems admitting that they think wealthy people are more important and are allowed to strip poor people of their rights.

It amazes me the extent to which the Democratic Party has become the party of the rich. I recall reading an article somewhere (I think it was on Yahoo News) that all ten of the country's wealthiest congressional districts are now represented by Democrats. Extremely wealthy areas like the Upper East Side of Manhattan, Westchester County, the D.C. and Northern Virginia suburbs, the Chicago suburbs, Middlesex County, Fairfield County, the San Francisco Bay Area, etc. are all solidly Democratic now, and becoming even more so. And other wealthy areas-Orange County, the Atlanta suburbs, Fort Bend County, etc.-are moving relentlessly away from Republicans.


Well To be fair wealthy areas  does not equal wealthy people . In fact areas like NoVA and the Bay Area being so wealthy make those areas super expensive for most people there so policies like rent control and all become more popular(even though they aren’t good policies ).


For example Republicans still may be winning the vote of the wealthy people in many of those areas , it’s just that it’s not nearly enough to win those counties

Hillary Clinton virtually tied Trump among the wealthiest Americans in 2016, and probably won a clear majority of them in most of the places that I listed above. And Democrats definitely won the "rich" vote in the 2018 midterms. Moreover, I expect suburban trends to continue, and wouldn't be surprised if Trump does even worse in many of these places.


Not really :

https://www.cnn.com/election/2018/exit-polls


Republicans only won among voters who made 100k or more and lost the under 50k category by 21 points


According to this article, Hillary Clinton won the nation's wealthiest neighborhoods handily in 2016: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/07/27/upshot/white-voters-precinct-analysis.html, and this article highlights the Democratic gains in the wealthiest congressional districts: https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2018/politics/midterm-election-precinct-results/. I'd be very surprised if Republicans somehow managed to still carry that vote when losing so much ground in the districts, precincts, and neighborhoods that they live.


Again wealthy congressional districts does not equal wealthy people .


The exit poll I linked had Republicans only winning in 2018 among voters who won 100k or more and got destroyed by the ones making less than 50k

It doesn't, but if Republicans were truly dominating the wealthy vote, as you suggest, they would still be holding several of these seats. While it is true that Democrats continue to win strong majorities among the lowest-income groups, the inroads they've made at the higher-income levels are undeniable.
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« Reply #79 on: February 19, 2020, 02:16:55 AM »
« Edited: February 28, 2020, 09:50:50 PM by R.P. McM »

If rural Virginia does not want to enforce the law, then they should receive no further funding from the state government.
Then they should stop paying taxes.  No services, no tax.  Come and collect the money from millions of angry citizens by force and see how it works out.  

Good — let them go feral. Remember: they leech off of us, not the other way around. And if they want to organize a violent insurrection — which is exactly what you're threatening — they can confront the full force of a lavishly funded, technologically sophisticated attack. They'll be wiped out, just like their depraved Confederate brethren a century ago.
I am suggesting nonviolent resistance to unjust laws, you are the one advocating violence buddy.

LOL. Can you folks ever stop lying? "Come and collect the money from millions of angry citizens by force and see how it works out." Y'all still have to pay taxes, whether or not the majority agrees with your position on gun control. Geriatric rural whites aren't a privileged class we all have to cater to.
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« Reply #80 on: February 19, 2020, 02:22:12 AM »

If rural Virginia does not want to enforce the law, then they should receive no further funding from the state government.
Then they should stop paying taxes.  No services, no tax.  Come and collect the money from millions of angry citizens by force and see how it works out.  

Good — let them go feral. Remember: they leech off of us, not the other way around. And if they want to organize a violent insurrection — which is exactly what you're threatening — they can confront the full force of a lavishly funded, technologically sophisticated attack. They'll be wiped out, just like their depraved Confederate brethren a century ago.

lol you don't even go here

You do know which side of the Civil War was supported by Northern Virginia and Richmond ?

Brilliant point — I had never considered that immigrants, educated people, and Northern transplants might've changed the character of a particular area over the course of a century. I'm sure the Trumpist, white supremacist GOP will once again be winning VA elections in short order.
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« Reply #81 on: February 19, 2020, 02:32:16 AM »

Pull funding from rural Virginia until they comply. Richmond and NoVa literally pay for everything and they represent the interests of the majority of Virginians.

Don't let a bunch of cornfields hold back progress.





hmm I wonder what the reason for this is....?

Rural areas are the past. The suburbs are the future. States like Pennsylvania in the 2018 governor's race show just how irrelevant Dem losses are in flyover country as long as we make gains in the suburbs.
It's not just part of America that needs help...it's all of it. And gains in cities and suburbs are great (it helps Democrats win after all) but ignoring a part of the country just cause they didn't vote for you is a pretty bad attitude.


Oh, STFU. When they voted for a traitorous, authoritarian, racist sexual predator, that was the last straw. If they really wanted help, they would show a modicum of humility. Instead, they set out to force minority rule upon the rest of us. So they need to be crushed, deservedly. This is something for the defenders of racist, rural whites to consider: even four years ago, there might have been restraint. And I myself am white. But now, when the levee breaks, there will be no mercy, no quarter. So pat yourselves on the back for electing Trump.

The 3 Democrat executives overseeing this are two minstrel performers and a rapist. There is no moral high ground. Neither party cares about anyone other than big donors.

We're not going to venture down this BS road of moral equivalency. How many Democrats knew about Northam or Fairfax prior to the election? How many called for their removal? Yeah, you have zero credibility, so just can it.

Haven't heard a damn peep about "calls for removal" in close to a year from the Dems here.

MUTED. Folks, when one of these things attempts to call you out for a moral standard his party has no intention of following, ever, you just need to ignore it. They're obviously hypocritical hacks, and we can leave it at that.
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« Reply #82 on: February 19, 2020, 04:14:51 PM »

Virginia Dems are legislating like the Seattle City Council but it's still not enough for you people because they aren't doing stop and frisk on Appalachians.

The newly elected Soviet majority in Virginiya Oblast is every bit as acrimonious as the California dems -- pulling that off is quite the "distinction."

They didn't even repeal Right to Work!

And why should they? 96% of Va. Workers choose not to be union members. Why repeal a 70 year old law that clearly isn't in need of change? The only obvious reason is to reward corrupt special interest donors that again only make up 4% of workers. Right to work is Pro Worker for 96% of us. The repeal proposal even called for eliminating the secret ballot in union elections... how the hell is that pro worker?

Your claim that 96% of Virginia workers "chose" not to be unionized is either grossly misleading or grossly ignorant, or possibly a bit of both. First off, the vast majority of workers don't Indian eyes effectively can't because of modern economics Alaska industrial jobs requiring at least some technical know-how are shrinking. Secondly, more like here, even among those there are tremendous pressures in flouting of the law keeping such people from unionizing, ergo the need to get rid of Right to Work.

I understand it makes you feel good to Envision. Most Virginians are just hardworking people who don't want anything to do with them big city Union bosses blah blah blah oh, but given the choice I submit the vast majority of workers would much prefer to block an organization that might take 2% of their paycheck but helps ensure higher wages and better benefits / safety.

And that's the reason people like you are truly afraid of repealing right to work. Not because most workers so cold and choose not to be nice, but given an opportunity most workers will gladly take that option. And that is destructive to the right-wing Coalition of you and yours. The number one determinant of whether or not a white male will support Democrats whether or not they have a master's degree or greater, or a union card.

In the field I work in, I guarantee no one wants more of their paycheck taken out to pay into a group they don't want to be in and cares more about power than actually helping them. Even those I know who have worked for companies that have unionized have said they aren't worth it.


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« Reply #83 on: February 19, 2020, 05:37:03 PM »

Virginia Dems are legislating like the Seattle City Council but it's still not enough for you people because they aren't doing stop and frisk on Appalachians.

The newly elected Soviet majority in Virginiya Oblast is every bit as acrimonious as the California dems -- pulling that off is quite the "distinction."

They didn't even repeal Right to Work!

And why should they? 96% of Va. Workers choose not to be union members. Why repeal a 70 year old law that clearly isn't in need of change? The only obvious reason is to reward corrupt special interest donors that again only make up 4% of workers. Right to work is Pro Worker for 96% of us. The repeal proposal even called for eliminating the secret ballot in union elections... how the hell is that pro worker?

Your claim that 96% of Virginia workers "chose" not to be unionized is either grossly misleading or grossly ignorant, or possibly a bit of both. First off, the vast majority of workers don't Indian eyes effectively can't because of modern economics Alaska industrial jobs requiring at least some technical know-how are shrinking. Secondly, more like here, even among those there are tremendous pressures in flouting of the law keeping such people from unionizing, ergo the need to get rid of Right to Work.

I understand it makes you feel good to Envision. Most Virginians are just hardworking people who don't want anything to do with them big city Union bosses blah blah blah oh, but given the choice I submit the vast majority of workers would much prefer to block an organization that might take 2% of their paycheck but helps ensure higher wages and better benefits / safety.

And that's the reason people like you are truly afraid of repealing right to work. Not because most workers so cold and choose not to be nice, but given an opportunity most workers will gladly take that option. And that is destructive to the right-wing Coalition of you and yours. The number one determinant of whether or not a white male will support Democrats whether or not they have a master's degree or greater, or a union card.

In the field I work in, I guarantee no one wants more of their paycheck taken out to pay into a group they don't want to be in and cares more about power than actually helping them. Even those I know who have worked for companies that have unionized have said they aren't worth it.


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They can already choose to unionize if they want. Nothing is stopping them, in fact federal law protects them. RTW just says once again that the 96% of workers who are non union cant be forced to participate in union activities if they dont want to, just to hold a job. How terrible. If these mythical workers exist as you claim and they would be perfectly happy forming a union but for the  icky law that allows freedom of choice, then I have no sympathy for them. If you're only hangup from doing something you are allowed to do is not being able to force others to unwillingly do the same thing, then you're anti-worker, anti-choice, and a jerk.

Plus I see no defense of eliminating the secret ballot in certification elections.
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« Reply #84 on: April 18, 2020, 09:44:59 PM »

You people take exit polls for gospel.  People lie to pollsters all the time.  Pretty sure the exit polls showed Trump winning college educated whites but upon further review and analysis by reputably organizations, he actually didn't. 
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« Reply #85 on: April 19, 2020, 08:29:07 AM »

Pull funding from rural Virginia until they comply. Richmond and NoVa literally pay for everything and they represent the interests of the majority of Virginians.

Don't let a bunch of cornfields hold back progress.





hmm I wonder what the reason for this is....?

Fortunately for VA Democrats, unless the GOP makes significant inroads with black voters, there is only so far down the VA Democratic Party can go with rural Virginia.



VA GOP is right now in an odd situation. Has a genuinely high floor. Even Stewart could get above 40% in a wave year but they are limited in what margins they can get out of rural VA so any statewide GOP victory in Virginia means either a huge turnout differential or GOP winning Democratic leaning voters in Nova or Richmond metros and landsliding in Virginia Beach.

Edit: I want to make it clear that I do not support stringent gun laws.
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« Reply #86 on: April 19, 2020, 09:04:21 PM »

If rural Virginia does not want to enforce the law, then they should receive no further funding from the state government.
Then they should stop paying taxes.  No services, no tax.  Come and collect the money from millions of angry citizens by force and see how it works out.  

Good — let them go feral. Remember: they leech off of us, not the other way around. And if they want to organize a violent insurrection — which is exactly what you're threatening — they can confront the full force of a lavishly funded, technologically sophisticated attack. They'll be wiped out, just like their depraved Confederate brethren a century ago.
I am suggesting nonviolent resistance to unjust laws, you are the one advocating violence buddy.

LOL. Can you folks ever stop lying? "Come and collect the money from millions of angry citizens by force and see how it works out." Y'all still have to pay taxes, whether or not the majority agrees with your position on gun control. Geriatric rural whites aren't a privileged class we all have to cater to.


No, their not.  But they have enumerated Constitutional Rights that are not subject to the actions of legislatures or plebecites, short of a Constitutional Amendment.  And thank God for that.  Your attitude is that your political enemies have no inalienable rights. 

I thank God you are not an elected official, and I hope you are never elected to office.
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« Reply #87 on: April 22, 2020, 04:12:27 AM »

If rural Virginia does not want to enforce the law, then they should receive no further funding from the state government.
Then they should stop paying taxes.  No services, no tax.  Come and collect the money from millions of angry citizens by force and see how it works out.  

Good — let them go feral. Remember: they leech off of us, not the other way around. And if they want to organize a violent insurrection — which is exactly what you're threatening — they can confront the full force of a lavishly funded, technologically sophisticated attack. They'll be wiped out, just like their depraved Confederate brethren a century ago.
I am suggesting nonviolent resistance to unjust laws, you are the one advocating violence buddy.

LOL. Can you folks ever stop lying? "Come and collect the money from millions of angry citizens by force and see how it works out." Y'all still have to pay taxes, whether or not the majority agrees with your position on gun control. Geriatric rural whites aren't a privileged class we all have to cater to.


No, their not.  But they have enumerated Constitutional Rights that are not subject to the actions of legislatures or plebecites, short of a Constitutional Amendment.  And thank God for that.  Your attitude is that your political enemies have no inalienable rights. 

I thank God you are not an elected official, and I hope you are never elected to office.

"No, their not." LOL. There's just no point. If you can't even navigate English grammar, I'm just not interested in your opinion on whether rural Virginians are capable of dealing with the novel reality of urban dominance. Yeah, you aren't the majority any longer, your violent threats are laughable, and you're just going to have to deal with it.
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« Reply #88 on: April 22, 2020, 08:23:11 AM »

Anyone old enough to be in a position of power in Virginia is old enough to have lived through decades of Republican dominance, and they probably think the current state of affairs is only an anomaly. Rather than recognize the long-term societal shifts in their favor, they are more concerned with shoring up support with traditional centrists, since that's probably how they think they got their job.
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