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« on: February 04, 2020, 11:08:30 PM »
« edited: February 04, 2020, 11:14:16 PM by Your call may be monitored for quality assurance. »

Ah, the irony:

well given how the GOP openly flouts the law and is running amok like a criminal enterprise, I'm not surprised that blue avatars here are feeding off of it. but seriously, if Dems take Texas, which these types of numbers make seem less ridiculous, the GOP agenda is dead in its tracks.
If Texas falls, so does the country.  If roughly half the country becomes ignored at the federal level election after election they will lose faith in democracy.  A democracy can't survive in a corrosive environment like that long term. 

In one breath, he laments about half the country being ignored by politicians leading to the end of democracy, and in the other says conservatives should basically restrict voting until they win, so they can continue to ignore the majority of voters who don't want what the GOP is selling.

The conservative solution: end democracy in order to save democracy

Who knew it was so simple
At the end of the day, all that matters in politics is winning or losing. 


No, not really. How you get to that point actually matters a great deal. It's not a game. This is real life, with real consequences. Attempting to cripple the opposition's voting power using the power of the state is a dangerous way to consolidate power. What is your end game here? How long do you think you can do that before things get violent? How far are you willing to take that? Unless you want to go into a full blown authoritarian dystopia, you can't endlessly lie, cheat and steal your way into power with the goal of keeping your boot on the neck of your opponents.

Ironic that you would support abusing what are otherwise supposed to be free and fair elections in order to bring about not-so-free and not-so-fair elections to try and guarantee your side controls the levers of power. Somehow I doubt you'd feel this way if it was your party that was constantly having voting restrictions and other assaults on their ability to organize thrown at them.

All I have left to say is that you should not take democracy for granted. One day, your strategy could become mainstream, and not in your favor. And when you and those who share your beliefs have no way to translate them into law because once upon a time you decided winning hearts and minds was inferior to just stealing power, and lost, with the other side devolving into the same tactics, maybe you'll have some regrets. That's a real danger that comes with such a line of thinking.

Funny enough, you seem to get this on some level, because you were just talking about democracy being unable to survive if one party forces its beliefs on the rest of the country. You just can't seem to associate that with your own party. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Absolutely that is a risky strategy.  But when you have nothing to lose, rolling the dice is the best option.  As you will acknowledge, every demographic trend is favoring the left in the long term.  Even if the 2 party system survives that, the Republicans of the future would have the same positions of the Dems today and it keeps going that way forever.  Then there are no more conservatives, just a nominal opposition party seeking to delay the inevitable which they never do.  We must hold our ground.

This is because conservatism is not a real ideology.  If the ways of the past never evolved, slavery would still be in existence today and the only people who would be allowed to vote are white men who own land.  Conservatism literally had to fail in order for modern, free democracy to exist.

The role of traditional American conservatism is to place a check on this progress so that it occurs incrementally, as opposed to revolutionary means which run the risk of curbing constitutional rights and liberties.  We don't have a center-right party which represents that today, and in practice, the "conservatism" espoused by modern Republicans obstructs longstanding institutions (like the integrity and impartiality of the courts) for short-term power grabs.  Then when the other side uses that to their advantage, you cry foul.

So you are right.  There are no more conservatives.  Just small-minded contrarians and violent reactionaries.
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