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« Reply #25 on: January 30, 2020, 11:27:15 PM »

To give actual advice, They must keep playing the moderate card. Liberal candidates won't make the cut so the Democrat has to be moderate.

Joe Manchin's dw-nominate score:

-0.069

Robert Byrd's dw-nominate score:

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Greater negative scores indicate a Senator being more liberal. So it seems that Byrd was more liberal than Manchin. It would almost seem like the fact that Democrats once used to run a monopoly in West Virginia had nothing to do with ideology but with identity.

It would almost seem like, and hear me out here, WV circa 2020 may be a wee bit different from WV circa 2006. A Democrat who doesn’t cultivate a moderate cozy-up-to-Trump persona will lose by double digits because enough of West Virginia has drunk the Trump Kool-Aid to reflexively vote them out. Manchin does not have the same freedom to be liberal that Byrd had in 2006.

If Byrd were running in 2018 and had voted against Kavanaugh he would have lost. Manchin made this calculation and survived.

Yah Gi Gen dominated WV and Boomer Dominated WV are like two different states entirely.
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« Reply #26 on: January 30, 2020, 11:54:56 PM »

Become a patronage machine like the old Southern Republican parties used to be when they never won any elections.
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« Reply #27 on: January 31, 2020, 10:16:09 PM »

To give actual advice, They must keep playing the moderate card. Liberal candidates won't make the cut so the Democrat has to be moderate.

Joe Manchin's dw-nominate score:

-0.069

Robert Byrd's dw-nominate score:

 -0.298

Greater negative scores indicate a Senator being more liberal. So it seems that Byrd was more liberal than Manchin. It would almost seem like the fact that Democrats once used to run a monopoly in West Virginia had nothing to do with ideology but with identity.

It would almost seem like, and hear me out here, WV circa 2020 may be a wee bit different from WV circa 2006. A Democrat who doesn’t cultivate a moderate cozy-up-to-Trump persona will lose by double digits because enough of West Virginia has drunk the Trump Kool-Aid to reflexively vote them out. Manchin does not have the same freedom to be liberal that Byrd had in 2006.

If Byrd were running in 2018 and had voted against Kavanaugh he would have lost. Manchin made this calculation and survived.

Lulz. When the partisanship of your state starts shifting....politicians will try to moderate to stay relevant but it doesnt matter. No matter how moderate they try to be, they will still lose. Does anyone seriously think Al D Amato would still be Senator of NY if he became "moderate."
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« Reply #28 on: February 01, 2020, 07:07:36 PM »

Same thing Democrats do in every other red state. Hope that the Republicans f**k things up enough that a Democrat wins.
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« Reply #29 on: February 07, 2020, 11:56:53 AM »

Does John Perdue last into the 2020s?

https://www.register-herald.com/news/john-perdue-seeking-unprecedented-seventh-term-as-w-va-state/article_6d9e1174-fec9-5b8e-80ee-24ffe6597b11.html
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« Reply #30 on: February 08, 2020, 09:20:15 PM »

The Dems win Gov mansion in 2020 and Ojeda runs in 2024, which he should of waited for, before running against SMC
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« Reply #31 on: February 09, 2020, 04:02:17 PM »

I echo the previous sentiments that time and the expectations of further Republican mismanagement are the only solution. Of course, disbandment into the Green Mountain Party or other resurgent grassroots movements in WV would be more preferable to me, but in the case that we wish to see a surviving D chapter there, time is the only remedy.
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« Reply #32 on: February 09, 2020, 04:41:08 PM »

Tbh I'm wondering why they didn't seriously target WV-02 in 2018. Mooney is a blatant carpetbagger who only won by 3 in 2014 and 16 in 2016, far underperforming Capito and Trump. They ran Hillary's former state director and only lost by 11 even though the race got zero attention and Trump won the district by over 35. Democrats actually have a solid bench of state legislators in the district. If they'd run an Ojeda or Manchin type this could very well have been another OK-05.

I'm thinking any Democratic revival in WV starts in this area.
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« Reply #33 on: February 09, 2020, 04:47:30 PM »

Tbh I'm wondering why they didn't seriously target WV-02 in 2018. Mooney is a blatant carpetbagger who only won by 3 in 2014 and 16 in 2016, far underperforming Capito and Trump. They ran Hillary's former state director and only lost by 11 even though the race got zero attention and Trump won the district by over 35. Democrats actually have a solid bench of state legislators in the district. If they'd run an Ojeda or Manchin type this could very well have been another OK-05.

I'm thinking any Democratic revival in WV starts in this area.

The reason is because they were smitten with Richard Ojeda in WV-03.
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« Reply #34 on: February 09, 2020, 04:47:43 PM »

Tbh I'm wondering why they didn't seriously target WV-02 in 2018. Mooney is a blatant carpetbagger who only won by 3 in 2014 and 16 in 2016, far underperforming Capito and Trump. They ran Hillary's former state director and only lost by 11 even though the race got zero attention and Trump won the district by over 35. Democrats actually have a solid bench of state legislators in the district. If they'd run an Ojeda or Manchin type this could very well have been another OK-05.

I'm thinking any Democratic revival in WV starts in this area.
Well it's a little late for that considering the district is going to get carved up after 2020.
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« Reply #35 on: February 09, 2020, 11:53:55 PM »

I suppose hope that some of the robust Hispanic immigration to Northern Virginia spills over to West Virginia. The why Hispanics would move to an area with decreasing job opportunities and a relatively stagnant economy doesn't quite compute.

Beyond that, talk about Healthcare, and hope there's a shot at the governor's race in four years. Unless Justice gets removed in the primary, I just don't see him losing in November
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« Reply #36 on: February 12, 2020, 12:51:59 AM »

They dont need to do anything DC statehood equals just as many EC votes as WVA almost. Once the D trifecta happens, DC statehood happens
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« Reply #37 on: February 22, 2020, 07:30:47 PM »


If he switched to the GOP he might. 
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« Reply #38 on: February 22, 2020, 09:06:41 PM »
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I suppose hope that some of the robust Hispanic immigration to Northern Virginia spills over to West Virginia. The why Hispanics would move to an area with decreasing job opportunities and a relatively stagnant economy doesn't quite compute.

Beyond that, talk about Healthcare, and hope there's a shot at the governor's race in four years. Unless Justice gets removed in the primary, I just don't see him losing in November

>why would you want WV to get more representation in congress by an extremely low voting demographic in a Titanium R state
And plus if you consider the GOP the evil party or whatever why would you want a bunch of poor hispanics to be stuck in WV?
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« Reply #39 on: February 26, 2020, 05:34:05 PM »

I think Manchin runs for governor in 2024 and wins, and appoints a WV Democrat to his seat and that Democrat loses in 2026.

Manchin is an executive at heart, like fellow conservadem Evan Bayh.
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« Reply #40 on: February 26, 2020, 07:39:30 PM »

Move to MS, to make it a tossup.
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« Reply #41 on: March 01, 2020, 10:23:35 AM »

I think Manchin runs for governor in 2024 and wins, and appoints a WV Democrat to his seat and that Democrat loses in 2026.

Manchin is an executive at heart, like fellow conservadem Evan Bayh.

Manchin's seat is up in 2024. If he were to run for governor and win he wouldn't appoint anyone to his old seat
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« Reply #42 on: March 01, 2020, 12:09:49 PM »

I think Manchin runs for governor in 2024 and wins, and appoints a WV Democrat to his seat and that Democrat loses in 2026.

Manchin is an executive at heart, like fellow conservadem Evan Bayh.

Manchin's seat is up in 2024. If he were to run for governor and win he wouldn't appoint anyone to his old seat

There are many Dems that he would love this seat
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« Reply #43 on: March 02, 2020, 04:16:51 PM »

I suppose hope that some of the robust Hispanic immigration to Northern Virginia spills over to West Virginia. The why Hispanics would move to an area with decreasing job opportunities and a relatively stagnant economy doesn't quite compute.

Beyond that, talk about Healthcare, and hope there's a shot at the governor's race in four years. Unless Justice gets removed in the primary, I just don't see him losing in November

>why would you want WV to get more representation in congress by an extremely low voting demographic in a Titanium R state
And plus if you consider the GOP the evil party or whatever why would you want a bunch of poor hispanics to be stuck in WV?
He's a "Republican", why not want his party to have more representation?
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« Reply #44 on: March 04, 2020, 01:04:40 AM »

Honestly, I'm really really grateful that Manchin even won last time around. And I'm sure that win gave WV Dems something to feel proud of, especially after Justice switching.
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« Reply #45 on: March 14, 2020, 11:17:35 AM »

Once Manchin decides to run for Gov instead of Senate in 2024, the Dems will have a true progressive in the Senate, after Manchin appoints his replacement
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« Reply #46 on: March 15, 2020, 01:12:16 AM »

Stop selling out to corporations/special interests. Stop running consultant-driven campaigns which are overly scripted, overly calculated, and uninspiring.

While this may not produce significant results immediately, it could set the stage for them to start gaining ground at some point in the not-so-distant future. Remember that Richard Ojeda ran an economically populist campaign and managed to outperform his district's partisan lean by double digits. Even though he fell short, I think it does provide a guide for Democrats to eventually regain power here in the future.

Yeah none of this will help Dems win in WV.
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« Reply #47 on: March 19, 2020, 02:14:49 PM »

Same thing Democrats do in every other red state. Hope that the Republicans f**k things up enough that a Democrat wins.

See: Laura Kelly.
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« Reply #48 on: March 22, 2020, 11:56:34 PM »

I actually think WV Democrats have a good shot at winning AG this year. Probably their best bet of any row office, including the incumbent Dem Treasurer.

State Rep. Isaac Sponaugle is running, and he holds a blood red seat that even Manchin lost by 15% in 2018. The only reason he has a good shot is because Morrisey himself is (was?) very unpopular and had a 38/58 favorable spread in the exit polls. That was probably the only reason Manchin is still sitting in the Senate.
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« Reply #49 on: March 23, 2020, 03:13:07 AM »

My prediction for 2020 for WV is a Republican sweep
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