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« on: January 29, 2020, 01:44:55 PM »

Assuming Manchin, a moderate Democrat despised by the far left doesn't run for governor again in 2024 and retires from the Senate, what do WV Dems do post-Manchin?

Other than Manchin, State Treasurer John Perdue is the other Democrat currently elected to statewide office.
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« Reply #1 on: January 29, 2020, 02:19:58 PM »

Go extinct.
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« Reply #2 on: January 29, 2020, 02:26:37 PM »

Give up. If/when the DC suburbs start spilling into the north of the state think about a revival.
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« Reply #3 on: January 29, 2020, 02:30:00 PM »


Don't you believe WV Democrats can talk more about healthcare, and less about coal and energy.....
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« Reply #4 on: January 29, 2020, 02:33:57 PM »


Don't you believe WV Democrats can talk more about healthcare, and less about coal and energy.....

Nope. West Virginians have filled up on the GOP's Kool Aid and there's nothing we can do to change that.
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« Reply #5 on: January 29, 2020, 02:39:05 PM »


Don't you believe WV Democrats can talk more about healthcare, and less about coal and energy.....

Nope. West Virginians have filled up on the GOP's Kool Aid and there's nothing we can do to change that.

Talk about healthcare. They are currently 14 Democrats in the WV Senate, 43 Democrats in the WV House. Talk about healthcare.
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« Reply #6 on: January 29, 2020, 02:59:20 PM »


Don't you believe WV Democrats can talk more about healthcare, and less about coal and energy.....

Nope. West Virginians have filled up on the GOP's Kool Aid and there's nothing we can do to change that.

Talk about healthcare. They are currently 14 Democrats in the WV Senate, 43 Democrats in the WV House. Talk about healthcare.

Not for much longer. 
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« Reply #7 on: January 29, 2020, 05:17:07 PM »

Resign to Republican dominance and disband.
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« Reply #8 on: January 29, 2020, 05:18:14 PM »

just wait, WV is not WY and after 15-20 years in the Wilderness the Democrats will make a comeback.
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« Reply #9 on: January 29, 2020, 05:23:01 PM »

Give up. If/when the DC suburbs start spilling into the north of the state think about a revival.

Doubtful it would work, if the DC area start spilling into WV it would be mostly due to right leaning middle class white persons moving westward because of rising prices in Loudoun County. 
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« Reply #10 on: January 29, 2020, 05:26:52 PM »

They could find a place here :
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« Reply #11 on: January 29, 2020, 05:53:57 PM »

just wait, WV is not WY and after 15-20 years in the Wilderness the Democrats will make a comeback.

This is probably the worst take I’ve seen this konth
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« Reply #12 on: January 29, 2020, 05:57:10 PM »

Ask Spongebob's magic conch.
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« Reply #13 on: January 29, 2020, 06:02:42 PM »

Stop selling out to corporations/special interests. Stop running consultant-driven campaigns which are overly scripted, overly calculated, and uninspiring.

While this may not produce significant results immediately, it could set the stage for them to start gaining ground at some point in the not-so-distant future. Remember that Richard Ojeda ran an economically populist campaign and managed to outperform his district's partisan lean by double digits. Even though he fell short, I think it does provide a guide for Democrats to eventually regain power here in the future.
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« Reply #14 on: January 29, 2020, 06:28:03 PM »

Stop selling out to corporations/special interests. Stop running consultant-driven campaigns which are overly scripted, overly calculated, and uninspiring.

Joe Manchin agrees with this take.
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« Reply #15 on: January 29, 2020, 09:44:49 PM »

Nothing!
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« Reply #16 on: January 29, 2020, 09:49:25 PM »

Give up. If/when the DC suburbs start spilling into the north of the state think about a revival.

Doubtful it would work, if the DC area start spilling into WV it would be mostly due to right leaning middle class white persons moving westward because of rising prices in Loudoun County. 

I mean assuming no realignments, in many decades the combination of just the growth of the DC area combined with population decline in a lot of the rest of WV gives a none-zero chance it could be somewhat competitive again. Not saying much but yeah
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« Reply #17 on: January 29, 2020, 10:13:23 PM »

It's a bit of a geographic fallacy to expect the DC Metro to overrun the Eastern Panhandle.  Jefferson Co is somewhat restricted in space to build on and is the oldest and slowest growing part of the metro.  Berkeley Co really isn't part of the Metro but benefits from having cheap land (for the region) and being on I-81.  It's location makes it popular for distribution centers, like Macy's, Proctor and Gamble, and the newly announced cat litter factory.  But these aren't high education jobs, so Berkeley continues to have low education levels.  The recently announced cat litter factory wanted to locate in adjacent Frederick Co, VA but the Board of Supervisors rejected it 5-2 because of concerns of traffic and quality of life (meaning they were worried it would hurt property values), so Berkeley is the "low rent" part of the region.

Yes, outside of Monogalia Co (WVU), it is the only growing part of the state.  When WV hit it's population peak in 1950 at 2 million, Berkeley and Jefferson only had 50,000 people, now that WV has fallen below 1.8 million, B&J have a combined 170,000 people and twenty years from now when WV is down to 1.5 million, B&J will have 250,000, but that's still less than 20% of the state. 

Manchin didn't win as a populist, he eked out a win by winning all 10 of the "most" educated counties in the state and that's the path anyone else should follow.  Many of the most educated counties are losing population, but all of the lowest educated are losing population and quite rapidly.

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« Reply #18 on: January 30, 2020, 12:07:40 AM »
« Edited: January 30, 2020, 12:11:00 AM by PA is Lean D »

Move to Pittsburgh and make WePA blue again.
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« Reply #19 on: January 30, 2020, 12:20:04 AM »

Reproduction is probably their last great hope, but they'll have to act fast
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« Reply #20 on: January 30, 2020, 01:17:15 AM »

Reproduction is probably their last great hope, but they'll have to act fast

Well, they could try to lay off the meth and outlive them too
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« Reply #21 on: January 30, 2020, 04:20:18 PM »

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« Reply #22 on: January 30, 2020, 06:06:22 PM »

To give actual advice, They must keep playing the moderate card. Liberal candidates won't make the cut so the Democrat has to be moderate.
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« Reply #23 on: January 30, 2020, 09:30:31 PM »

To give actual advice, They must keep playing the moderate card. Liberal candidates won't make the cut so the Democrat has to be moderate.

Joe Manchin's dw-nominate score:

-0.069

Robert Byrd's dw-nominate score:

 -0.298

Greater negative scores indicate a Senator being more liberal. So it seems that Byrd was more liberal than Manchin. It would almost seem like the fact that Democrats once used to run a monopoly in West Virginia had nothing to do with ideology but with identity.
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« Reply #24 on: January 30, 2020, 10:48:03 PM »

To give actual advice, They must keep playing the moderate card. Liberal candidates won't make the cut so the Democrat has to be moderate.

Joe Manchin's dw-nominate score:

-0.069

Robert Byrd's dw-nominate score:

 -0.298

Greater negative scores indicate a Senator being more liberal. So it seems that Byrd was more liberal than Manchin. It would almost seem like the fact that Democrats once used to run a monopoly in West Virginia had nothing to do with ideology but with identity.

It would almost seem like, and hear me out here, WV circa 2020 may be a wee bit different from WV circa 2006. A Democrat who doesn’t cultivate a moderate cozy-up-to-Trump persona will lose by double digits because enough of West Virginia has drunk the Trump Kool-Aid to reflexively vote them out. Manchin does not have the same freedom to be liberal that Byrd had in 2006.

If Byrd were running in 2018 and had voted against Kavanaugh he would have lost. Manchin made this calculation and survived.
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