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« on: May 05, 2021, 09:06:52 PM »

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aEAaPHQGf8A

Why do they (we I must say since I am a part of canada) think this is still a solution? It’s ridiculous

The ignorance from Joe Rogan is awful. First, Canada, as in the United States he mentions, has provincial regulations on lockdowns, there is no national lockdown.

While it's interesting that Texas and Florida have not had another wave of Covid since they opened up (I'll take the Florida numbers as legitimate) there is also a greater percentage of the U.S population vaccinated than in Canada.

Ontario was greatly impacted by the 'U.K' variant (as was Michigan) and saw a large spike in numbers.

British Columbia and Alberta have been greatly impacted by the 'Brazilian' variant (which is even worse than the 'U.K' variant in terms of both contagion and virulence.)  British Columbia had a 'circuit breaker' lockdown over 1 month ago, Alberta did not.

British Columbia peaked at 1,293 confirmed cases on April 8, and dropped from 697 confirmed cases yesterday to 572 today.

In the same time frame, Alberta has gone from about 1,500 daily confirmed cases to 2,000 daily confirmed cases.

Ontario since locking down has gone from about 4,000 daily confirmed cases with a potential of an exponential increase to less than 3,000 daily confirmed cases.

At a minimum, Rogan should have educated himself at least a little on Canadian federalism and on the impact of the variants before making such ignorant and stupid comments.

Lockdowns work.

You forgot a major province: Quebec, which has had by far the strictest lockdowns in the country for the better part of a year and which also has triple the per capita death rate of Alberta. It took something like 20 weeks of a "temporary 2 week extreme measure lockdown" before cases went down.

It isn't that lockdowns work, it's that lockdown failures don't make the headlines.
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« Reply #1 on: May 06, 2021, 11:13:48 AM »

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aEAaPHQGf8A

Why do they (we I must say since I am a part of canada) think this is still a solution? It’s ridiculous

The ignorance from Joe Rogan is awful. First, Canada, as in the United States he mentions, has provincial regulations on lockdowns, there is no national lockdown.

While it's interesting that Texas and Florida have not had another wave of Covid since they opened up (I'll take the Florida numbers as legitimate) there is also a greater percentage of the U.S population vaccinated than in Canada.

Ontario was greatly impacted by the 'U.K' variant (as was Michigan) and saw a large spike in numbers.

British Columbia and Alberta have been greatly impacted by the 'Brazilian' variant (which is even worse than the 'U.K' variant in terms of both contagion and virulence.)  British Columbia had a 'circuit breaker' lockdown over 1 month ago, Alberta did not.

British Columbia peaked at 1,293 confirmed cases on April 8, and dropped from 697 confirmed cases yesterday to 572 today.

In the same time frame, Alberta has gone from about 1,500 daily confirmed cases to 2,000 daily confirmed cases.

Ontario since locking down has gone from about 4,000 daily confirmed cases with a potential of an exponential increase to less than 3,000 daily confirmed cases.

At a minimum, Rogan should have educated himself at least a little on Canadian federalism and on the impact of the variants before making such ignorant and stupid comments.

Lockdowns work.

You forgot a major province: Quebec, which has had by far the strictest lockdowns in the country for the better part of a year and which also has triple the per capita death rate of Alberta. It took something like 20 weeks of a "temporary 2 week extreme measure lockdown" before cases went down.

It isn't that lockdowns work, it's that lockdown failures don't make the headlines.

1.20 weeks is the 'better part of a year'?

2.I don't know much about the variants in Quebec.  They may have gotten lucky compared to British Columbia, Alberta and Ontario (and now Nova Scotia) and not have been impacted badly by them, or their locking down earlier may have prevented the variants from spreading.  Or, most likely, the variants were the reason the lockdowns took so long to stabilize and then lower the Covid case count in Quebec.

3.You neglected to mention that Quebec was hit very badly early on with deaths due to the poor situation in their long term care homes that pre-dated Covid.

As of June of last year, Quebec had already suffered about half the total deaths they have now and accounted for over 60% of all Covid deaths in Canada. As of now, Quebec accounts for about 45% of all Covid deaths in Canada.

To put it in raw numbers, Quebec had about 5,500 of 8,500 Covid deaths in Canada in Jue 2020. Since then, they account for about 5,000 of 16,000 Covid deaths.


Lockdowns work.

If your proof of "lockdowns working" includes Quebec, which literally constitutes nearly 50% of the deaths in Canada while comprising less than 1/3rd of the population then your idea of "working" is meaningless.

If the difference in outcomes between locked down and not so locked down jurisdictions is immeasurable then lockdowns don't work. If one can't predict whether Tough Lockdown Region or No Lockdown Region will have triple the deaths of everyone else then lockdowns don't work. If the countries and states that are predicted to become Disaster Regions for refusing to take action instead prosper economically and do hardly any worse than contemporaries as Japan, Georgia, Texas, Sweden or Florida did then lockdowns don't work, or at least not well enough to justify the costs. The vast majority of "lockdown success stories" either have a caveat (as does ours on the nationwide level) or fail miserably like in Italy, Argentina, Czechia, Germany, Peru, Poland...

 Nobody would willingly make themselves bankrupt and unemployed for whatever immeasurable, inconsistent benefit lockdowns incur unless they were heavily misled.

Incidentally, "they were hit worse during the first wave" is a really bad argument because they had the strictest lockdown during the first wave too. So lockdowns failed miserably twice and you're acting like we somehow can't count the first wave for some reason. Presumably if lockdowns worked Quebec wouldn't have been hit so hard the first time around either.
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« Reply #2 on: November 28, 2021, 06:00:59 PM »

And Switzerland has banned entry from half the world, which is great, doesn't disrupt plans that I had been making for months and months or anything

we're never going back to normal are we? Every year we're going to have a new scary variant, and lockdowns and travel bans and panics about the vaccine no matter how mild or how many people vaccinated there might be. I'm completely fucking sick of this.

"There's a new wave of COVID so we need to implement the highly damaging policies that failed to stop the last wave of COVID"
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