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« Reply #2850 on: May 01, 2021, 06:31:49 AM »

Germany and Austria are now engaged in Synchronschwimmen in terms of the virus:

# same per capita new cases
# same 7-day incidence
# same per capita new daily deaths
# same number of patients in ICU
# same daily speed of vaccinations

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Thought that was their football "match" in the 1982 WC Cheesy
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« Reply #2851 on: May 04, 2021, 10:18:54 AM »

Is this unhinged and deranged person:



a. A quack, anti-vaxx doctor like Andrew Wakefield, member of an anti-vaxxer Facebook group

or

b. The head of Canada's National Advisory Committee on Immunizations, which provides recommendations to the Government of Canada on vaccination

If you answered b., you are correct!
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« Reply #2852 on: May 04, 2021, 01:38:51 PM »

Glad this was decided now, hopefully they find an easy solution for implementation in pratice. In retrospect, I'm actually glad I had Covid in February, giving me immunity and an earlier return to certain civil liberties.

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« Reply #2853 on: May 05, 2021, 07:49:31 PM »

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aEAaPHQGf8A

Why do they (we I must say since I am a part of canada) think this is still a solution? Itís ridiculous
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« Reply #2854 on: May 05, 2021, 08:38:36 PM »
« Edited: May 05, 2021, 08:45:15 PM by Frank »

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aEAaPHQGf8A

Why do they (we I must say since I am a part of canada) think this is still a solution? Itís ridiculous

The ignorance from Joe Rogan is awful. First, Canada, as in the United States he mentions, has provincial regulations on lockdowns, there is no national lockdown.

While it's interesting that Texas and Florida have not had another wave of Covid since they opened up (I'll take the Florida numbers as legitimate) there is also a greater percentage of the U.S population vaccinated than in Canada.

Ontario was greatly impacted by the 'U.K' variant (as was Michigan) and saw a large spike in numbers.

British Columbia and Alberta have been greatly impacted by the 'Brazilian' variant (which is even worse than the 'U.K' variant in terms of both contagion and virulence.)  British Columbia had a 'circuit breaker' lockdown over 1 month ago, Alberta did not.

British Columbia peaked at 1,293 confirmed cases on April 8, and dropped from 697 confirmed cases yesterday to 572 today.

In the same time frame, Alberta has gone from about 1,500 daily confirmed cases to 2,000 daily confirmed cases.

Ontario since locking down has gone from about 4,000 daily confirmed cases with a potential of an exponential increase to less than 3,000 daily confirmed cases.

At a minimum, Rogan should have educated himself at least a little on Canadian federalism and on the impact of the variants before making such ignorant and stupid comments.

Lockdowns work.
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« Reply #2855 on: May 05, 2021, 09:06:52 PM »

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aEAaPHQGf8A

Why do they (we I must say since I am a part of canada) think this is still a solution? Itís ridiculous

The ignorance from Joe Rogan is awful. First, Canada, as in the United States he mentions, has provincial regulations on lockdowns, there is no national lockdown.

While it's interesting that Texas and Florida have not had another wave of Covid since they opened up (I'll take the Florida numbers as legitimate) there is also a greater percentage of the U.S population vaccinated than in Canada.

Ontario was greatly impacted by the 'U.K' variant (as was Michigan) and saw a large spike in numbers.

British Columbia and Alberta have been greatly impacted by the 'Brazilian' variant (which is even worse than the 'U.K' variant in terms of both contagion and virulence.)  British Columbia had a 'circuit breaker' lockdown over 1 month ago, Alberta did not.

British Columbia peaked at 1,293 confirmed cases on April 8, and dropped from 697 confirmed cases yesterday to 572 today.

In the same time frame, Alberta has gone from about 1,500 daily confirmed cases to 2,000 daily confirmed cases.

Ontario since locking down has gone from about 4,000 daily confirmed cases with a potential of an exponential increase to less than 3,000 daily confirmed cases.

At a minimum, Rogan should have educated himself at least a little on Canadian federalism and on the impact of the variants before making such ignorant and stupid comments.

Lockdowns work.

You forgot a major province: Quebec, which has had by far the strictest lockdowns in the country for the better part of a year and which also has triple the per capita death rate of Alberta. It took something like 20 weeks of a "temporary 2 week extreme measure lockdown" before cases went down.

It isn't that lockdowns work, it's that lockdown failures don't make the headlines.
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« Reply #2856 on: May 05, 2021, 09:15:57 PM »
« Edited: May 05, 2021, 09:33:34 PM by Frank »

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aEAaPHQGf8A

Why do they (we I must say since I am a part of canada) think this is still a solution? Itís ridiculous

The ignorance from Joe Rogan is awful. First, Canada, as in the United States he mentions, has provincial regulations on lockdowns, there is no national lockdown.

While it's interesting that Texas and Florida have not had another wave of Covid since they opened up (I'll take the Florida numbers as legitimate) there is also a greater percentage of the U.S population vaccinated than in Canada.

Ontario was greatly impacted by the 'U.K' variant (as was Michigan) and saw a large spike in numbers.

British Columbia and Alberta have been greatly impacted by the 'Brazilian' variant (which is even worse than the 'U.K' variant in terms of both contagion and virulence.)  British Columbia had a 'circuit breaker' lockdown over 1 month ago, Alberta did not.

British Columbia peaked at 1,293 confirmed cases on April 8, and dropped from 697 confirmed cases yesterday to 572 today.

In the same time frame, Alberta has gone from about 1,500 daily confirmed cases to 2,000 daily confirmed cases.

Ontario since locking down has gone from about 4,000 daily confirmed cases with a potential of an exponential increase to less than 3,000 daily confirmed cases.

At a minimum, Rogan should have educated himself at least a little on Canadian federalism and on the impact of the variants before making such ignorant and stupid comments.

Lockdowns work.

You forgot a major province: Quebec, which has had by far the strictest lockdowns in the country for the better part of a year and which also has triple the per capita death rate of Alberta. It took something like 20 weeks of a "temporary 2 week extreme measure lockdown" before cases went down.

It isn't that lockdowns work, it's that lockdown failures don't make the headlines.

1.20 weeks is the 'better part of a year'?

2.I don't know much about the variants in Quebec.  They may have gotten lucky compared to British Columbia, Alberta and Ontario (and now Nova Scotia) and not have been impacted badly by them, or their locking down earlier may have prevented the variants from spreading.  Or, most likely, the variants were the reason the lockdowns took so long to stabilize and then lower the Covid case count in Quebec.

3.You neglected to mention that Quebec was hit very badly early on with deaths due to the poor situation in their long term care homes that pre-dated Covid.

As of June of last year, Quebec had already suffered about half the total deaths they have now and accounted for over 60% of all Covid deaths in Canada. As of now, Quebec accounts for about 45% of all Covid deaths in Canada.

To put it in raw numbers, Quebec had about 5,500 of 8,500 Covid deaths in Canada in Jue 2020. Since then, they account for about 5,000 of 16,000 Covid deaths.


Lockdowns work.
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« Reply #2857 on: May 06, 2021, 11:13:48 AM »

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aEAaPHQGf8A

Why do they (we I must say since I am a part of canada) think this is still a solution? Itís ridiculous

The ignorance from Joe Rogan is awful. First, Canada, as in the United States he mentions, has provincial regulations on lockdowns, there is no national lockdown.

While it's interesting that Texas and Florida have not had another wave of Covid since they opened up (I'll take the Florida numbers as legitimate) there is also a greater percentage of the U.S population vaccinated than in Canada.

Ontario was greatly impacted by the 'U.K' variant (as was Michigan) and saw a large spike in numbers.

British Columbia and Alberta have been greatly impacted by the 'Brazilian' variant (which is even worse than the 'U.K' variant in terms of both contagion and virulence.)  British Columbia had a 'circuit breaker' lockdown over 1 month ago, Alberta did not.

British Columbia peaked at 1,293 confirmed cases on April 8, and dropped from 697 confirmed cases yesterday to 572 today.

In the same time frame, Alberta has gone from about 1,500 daily confirmed cases to 2,000 daily confirmed cases.

Ontario since locking down has gone from about 4,000 daily confirmed cases with a potential of an exponential increase to less than 3,000 daily confirmed cases.

At a minimum, Rogan should have educated himself at least a little on Canadian federalism and on the impact of the variants before making such ignorant and stupid comments.

Lockdowns work.

You forgot a major province: Quebec, which has had by far the strictest lockdowns in the country for the better part of a year and which also has triple the per capita death rate of Alberta. It took something like 20 weeks of a "temporary 2 week extreme measure lockdown" before cases went down.

It isn't that lockdowns work, it's that lockdown failures don't make the headlines.

1.20 weeks is the 'better part of a year'?

2.I don't know much about the variants in Quebec.  They may have gotten lucky compared to British Columbia, Alberta and Ontario (and now Nova Scotia) and not have been impacted badly by them, or their locking down earlier may have prevented the variants from spreading.  Or, most likely, the variants were the reason the lockdowns took so long to stabilize and then lower the Covid case count in Quebec.

3.You neglected to mention that Quebec was hit very badly early on with deaths due to the poor situation in their long term care homes that pre-dated Covid.

As of June of last year, Quebec had already suffered about half the total deaths they have now and accounted for over 60% of all Covid deaths in Canada. As of now, Quebec accounts for about 45% of all Covid deaths in Canada.

To put it in raw numbers, Quebec had about 5,500 of 8,500 Covid deaths in Canada in Jue 2020. Since then, they account for about 5,000 of 16,000 Covid deaths.


Lockdowns work.

If your proof of "lockdowns working" includes Quebec, which literally constitutes nearly 50% of the deaths in Canada while comprising less than 1/3rd of the population then your idea of "working" is meaningless.

If the difference in outcomes between locked down and not so locked down jurisdictions is immeasurable then lockdowns don't work. If one can't predict whether Tough Lockdown Region or No Lockdown Region will have triple the deaths of everyone else then lockdowns don't work. If the countries and states that are predicted to become Disaster Regions for refusing to take action instead prosper economically and do hardly any worse than contemporaries as Japan, Georgia, Texas, Sweden or Florida did then lockdowns don't work, or at least not well enough to justify the costs. The vast majority of "lockdown success stories" either have a caveat (as does ours on the nationwide level) or fail miserably like in Italy, Argentina, Czechia, Germany, Peru, Poland...

 Nobody would willingly make themselves bankrupt and unemployed for whatever immeasurable, inconsistent benefit lockdowns incur unless they were heavily misled.

Incidentally, "they were hit worse during the first wave" is a really bad argument because they had the strictest lockdown during the first wave too. So lockdowns failed miserably twice and you're acting like we somehow can't count the first wave for some reason. Presumably if lockdowns worked Quebec wouldn't have been hit so hard the first time around either.
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« Reply #2858 on: May 06, 2021, 12:21:10 PM »

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aEAaPHQGf8A

Why do they (we I must say since I am a part of canada) think this is still a solution? Itís ridiculous

The ignorance from Joe Rogan is awful. First, Canada, as in the United States he mentions, has provincial regulations on lockdowns, there is no national lockdown.

While it's interesting that Texas and Florida have not had another wave of Covid since they opened up (I'll take the Florida numbers as legitimate) there is also a greater percentage of the U.S population vaccinated than in Canada.

Ontario was greatly impacted by the 'U.K' variant (as was Michigan) and saw a large spike in numbers.

British Columbia and Alberta have been greatly impacted by the 'Brazilian' variant (which is even worse than the 'U.K' variant in terms of both contagion and virulence.)  British Columbia had a 'circuit breaker' lockdown over 1 month ago, Alberta did not.

British Columbia peaked at 1,293 confirmed cases on April 8, and dropped from 697 confirmed cases yesterday to 572 today.

In the same time frame, Alberta has gone from about 1,500 daily confirmed cases to 2,000 daily confirmed cases.

Ontario since locking down has gone from about 4,000 daily confirmed cases with a potential of an exponential increase to less than 3,000 daily confirmed cases.

At a minimum, Rogan should have educated himself at least a little on Canadian federalism and on the impact of the variants before making such ignorant and stupid comments.

Lockdowns work.

You forgot a major province: Quebec, which has had by far the strictest lockdowns in the country for the better part of a year and which also has triple the per capita death rate of Alberta. It took something like 20 weeks of a "temporary 2 week extreme measure lockdown" before cases went down.

It isn't that lockdowns work, it's that lockdown failures don't make the headlines.

1.20 weeks is the 'better part of a year'?

2.I don't know much about the variants in Quebec.  They may have gotten lucky compared to British Columbia, Alberta and Ontario (and now Nova Scotia) and not have been impacted badly by them, or their locking down earlier may have prevented the variants from spreading.  Or, most likely, the variants were the reason the lockdowns took so long to stabilize and then lower the Covid case count in Quebec.

3.You neglected to mention that Quebec was hit very badly early on with deaths due to the poor situation in their long term care homes that pre-dated Covid.

As of June of last year, Quebec had already suffered about half the total deaths they have now and accounted for over 60% of all Covid deaths in Canada. As of now, Quebec accounts for about 45% of all Covid deaths in Canada.

To put it in raw numbers, Quebec had about 5,500 of 8,500 Covid deaths in Canada in Jue 2020. Since then, they account for about 5,000 of 16,000 Covid deaths.


Lockdowns work.

If your proof of "lockdowns working" includes Quebec, which literally constitutes nearly 50% of the deaths in Canada while comprising less than 1/3rd of the population then your idea of "working" is meaningless.

If the difference in outcomes between locked down and not so locked down jurisdictions is immeasurable then lockdowns don't work. If one can't predict whether Tough Lockdown Region or No Lockdown Region will have triple the deaths of everyone else then lockdowns don't work. If the countries and states that are predicted to become Disaster Regions for refusing to take action instead prosper economically and do hardly any worse than contemporaries as Japan, Georgia, Texas, Sweden or Florida did then lockdowns don't work, or at least not well enough to justify the costs. The vast majority of "lockdown success stories" either have a caveat (as does ours on the nationwide level) or fail miserably like in Italy, Argentina, Czechia, Germany, Peru, Poland...

 Nobody would willingly make themselves bankrupt and unemployed for whatever immeasurable, inconsistent benefit lockdowns incur unless they were heavily misled.

Incidentally, "they were hit worse during the first wave" is a really bad argument because they had the strictest lockdown during the first wave too. So lockdowns failed miserably twice and you're acting like we somehow can't count the first wave for some reason. Presumably if lockdowns worked Quebec wouldn't have been hit so hard the first time around either.

Quebec's deaths, as in most of Canada until recently, were mostly in long term care homes.  This was caused by several factors: the long term care homes having many seniors in close proximity, the care workers working in multiple care homes, a failure to isolate seniors from each other.

This was not a result of a 'failure of lockdowns.'  Lockdowns have worked/are working presently in British Columbia, Ontario and Quebec (along with greater vaccination rates) despite the presence of the variants.

Sweden also had by far the worst result of all Scandinavian countries and gave up on its deadly 'herd immunity' strategy.
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« Reply #2859 on: May 06, 2021, 12:32:20 PM »

https://m.dw.com/en/coronavirus-germany-opens-up-astrazeneca-covid-vaccines-for-all-adults/a-57453351

Germany will offer the AstraZeneca vaccine to all adults without prioritisation. This is happening because aside from take-up issues, most above 60 have been offered their first dose, so the AZ vaccine would be wasted otherwise, and because Germany is lifting many restrictions for vaccinated people, which inevitably would otherwise result in de facto age discrimination against younger people, especially because they are still quite strict especially compared to the rest of Europe/US.
 
So the approval of AZ in Germany has been:
Not allowed for anyone-->Not allowed over 65-->Allowed for Everybody-->Not allowed for anyone-->Not allowed under 60-->Allowed for Everybody.

Nonetheless a very good decision. I'll see if I can get an appointment.
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« Reply #2860 on: May 06, 2021, 01:56:41 PM »

https://m.dw.com/en/coronavirus-germany-opens-up-astrazeneca-covid-vaccines-for-all-adults/a-57453351

Germany will offer the AstraZeneca vaccine to all adults without prioritisation. This is happening because aside from take-up issues, most above 60 have been offered their first dose, so the AZ vaccine would be wasted otherwise, and because Germany is lifting many restrictions for vaccinated people, which inevitably would otherwise result in de facto age discrimination against younger people, especially because they are still quite strict especially compared to the rest of Europe/US.
 
So the approval of AZ in Germany has been:
Not allowed for anyone-->Not allowed over 65-->Allowed for Everybody-->Not allowed for anyone-->Not allowed under 60-->Allowed for Everybody.

Nonetheless a very good decision. I'll see if I can get an appointment.

Yeah, that's a great decision. Also that vaccinated and previously infected get certain civil liberties back. I'm actually kind of glad I had Covid now. Will wait with a vaccine shot though because others more urgently need it and I'd actually prefer Biontech or Moderna. Prioritization will likely be abandoned by June anyway.
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« Reply #2861 on: May 06, 2021, 02:47:39 PM »

https://m.dw.com/en/coronavirus-germany-opens-up-astrazeneca-covid-vaccines-for-all-adults/a-57453351

Germany will offer the AstraZeneca vaccine to all adults without prioritisation. This is happening because aside from take-up issues, most above 60 have been offered their first dose, so the AZ vaccine would be wasted otherwise, and because Germany is lifting many restrictions for vaccinated people, which inevitably would otherwise result in de facto age discrimination against younger people, especially because they are still quite strict especially compared to the rest of Europe/US.
 
So the approval of AZ in Germany has been:
Not allowed for anyone-->Not allowed over 65-->Allowed for Everybody-->Not allowed for anyone-->Not allowed under 60-->Allowed for Everybody.

Nonetheless a very good decision. I'll see if I can get an appointment.

Yeah, that's a great decision. Also that vaccinated and previously infected get certain civil liberties back. I'm actually kind of glad I had Covid now. Will wait with a vaccine shot though because others more urgently need it and I'd actually prefer Biontech or Moderna. Prioritization will likely be abandoned by June anyway.
"Solidarity" appears to be a one-way street for some members of the older generation. There are numerous reports of elders refusing to get vaccinated with AstraZeneca only to receive the "better" BioNTech/Moderna vaccine, although when comparing risks and benefits, AZ is much safer for elder people than for the younger generation. Imho people who refused to get vaccinated with the vaccine recommended for them should've been put last on the waiting list for BioNTech/Moderna.
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« Reply #2862 on: May 08, 2021, 10:11:41 AM »

Germany, Austria and Spain have now passed 40%+ doses vaccinated (1st+2nd combined).

They are now the fastest-vaccinating EU countries after the small Malta and Hungary (which uses Sputnik as well).

Austria had 100.000 doses yesterday, the highest daily number on record.
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« Reply #2863 on: May 08, 2021, 07:48:41 PM »

I have donated 100.00 to India covid relief and I hope everyone considers doing the same!!
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