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« on: January 22, 2020, 09:39:10 AM »
« edited: January 22, 2020, 09:44:06 AM by Grand Mufti of Northern Virginia »

Power, once given, is never returned.  What a shame past Congresses ignored that timeless lesson:

How Trump Has Exposed Congress’ Self-inflicted Weaknesses
Over time, Congress has ceded its constitutional authority to the president. It’s only gotten worse since Trump took office.

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(...) Ever since Trump took office and he began to push the boundaries of constitutionally permissible behavior—beginning with the Muslim ban and the firing of his FBI director, right up to declaring a state of emergency to fund his border wall—people have asked versions of the question: Can he do that?

But it’s the wrong question. The right question is: When he does that, what’s the consequence? If the answer to the second question is “nothing,” then the answer to the first question is “yes.” Without actual enforcement and consequences, then rules—even ones laid down in a document as revered as the Constitution—become meaningless.

There are two branches of government that can apply those consequences—Congress and the courts. But like a parent who fails to discipline an unruly child, Congress has allowed its own authority to lapse or crumble—on impeachment, on war powers, on oversight and on budgetary matters. And that squandered power has shifted to the executive branch. Indeed, one can argue that Congress, by failing to enforce its own prerogatives, is effectively rewriting the Constitution. These de facto constitutional amendments, largely occurring without the public’s awareness, are of staggering importance. And they may well turn out to be just as permanent as if they had been ratified by three-quarters of the states.
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« Reply #1 on: January 22, 2020, 03:22:52 PM »

Political parties have ceded Congress' constitutional authority to the President. Something may be a crime, but if your political party controls the branch that balances your power, then you can get away with it.

This is 100% corruption. No doubt. But this is the consequence we open ourselves to facing when a party controls both Congress & the Oval Office.
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« Reply #2 on: March 21, 2020, 08:34:02 AM »

It started with the War Powers Act, ceding War making power back to Prez, Congress havent declared war ever since. Then, the Dem reforms in 1970 put the power away from Cmttee Chairs and into the Speaker's chair.  Rs presidents and R Speakers have dominated since then, due to the Cold War and War on Terror. Foreign Policy has been a dominant issue. The Dems thought by ceding power to Speaker and Prez, they would get more Dem prez, but the opposite occurs.  As the war on poverty and war on Terror Rs have been more successful than Dems
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« Reply #3 on: April 17, 2020, 11:52:52 PM »

There’s a reason the Founding Father’s are very clear their system would break if it formed into partisan political parties .
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« Reply #4 on: April 21, 2020, 04:22:30 AM »

There’s a reason the Founding Father’s are very clear their system would break if it formed into partisan political parties .

That seems weird considering many of the Founding Father's formed into partisan political parties, with Madison, Jefferson, and Monroe founding the  Democratic-Republicans, and Hamilton-Jay-Adams being the founders of the Federalists
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« Reply #5 on: April 21, 2020, 04:48:40 AM »

There’s a reason the Founding Father’s are very clear their system would break if it formed into partisan political parties .

That seems weird considering many of the Founding Father's formed into partisan political parties, with Madison, Jefferson, and Monroe founding the  Democratic-Republicans, and Hamilton-Jay-Adams being the founders of the Federalists

True, but the parties weren’t ideologically partisan. There were memebers of both parties receptive to the views of the other. Ultimately, they saw it that as long as the rich elite managed to stay in charge as the only ones with the vote, the difference wouldn’t be too great and cause to much trouble.

But they did recognize that in places like Britain, that didn’t work out. The Whigs and Tories were from the same class, but had different financial interested, and absolutely hated each other lol. The figured that wouldn’t be an issue for the US though, because if anyone got to upset at the Federal government, they could move to their own land out in the West. At the time, it was a very useful release valve of tension among the American ruling class. This was also during the times they figured that it would take hundreds of years to populate the West. They also assumed this would be a release valance for discontent among the common people too. So they wouldn’t have to give any more representation to the “great beast” of the masses, like the established and “immobile” society in Britain was obviously heading towards.
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« Reply #6 on: May 04, 2020, 07:23:10 AM »

The outparty always blame the administration for being a King especially if 1 party has all three branches, but Rs has been known to obstruct more than Dems and if Dems done away with filibuster in 2009 then Rs wouldn't been able to seize control of House in 2010, only to block immigration reform to get Senate back in 2014.

But if Biden gets power back for Dems, imperative to be done with the legislative filibuster if Dems win over 51 seats
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« Reply #7 on: June 25, 2020, 08:28:13 AM »

The outparty always blame the administration for being a King especially if 1 party has all three branches, but Rs has been known to obstruct more than Dems and if Dems done away with filibuster in 2009 then Rs wouldn't been able to seize control of House in 2010, only to block immigration reform to get Senate back in 2014.

But if Biden gets power back for Dems, imperative to be done with the legislative filibuster if Dems win over 51 seats

Getting rid of the filibuster is an internal Senate decision. Elizabeth Warren during the Democratic debates said she supported getting rid of the Senate filibuster as part of her campaign for running for president. This is straight up stupidity masquerading as a way to get votes. She has been in the Senate for how many years and never put forward anything to actually do this. She instead says she wants to get rid of the filibuster of the body while she's trying to leave the body. I don't give a sh**t on what people to say, I care about actions. What actions were done?
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« Reply #8 on: August 01, 2020, 06:03:56 PM »

The power of the Prez is persuasion as well as enforcement. Teddy, Lincoln all used the bully pulpit to persuade voters. Trump never was a politician,  he was a businessman turned Prez and he was selected by the EC College and not by the PVI, Covid 19 has made his persuasive power just like Palin whom ran with McCain, whom endorsed Trump over Cruz, the same
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« Reply #9 on: August 02, 2020, 09:48:35 PM »

Glad you appreciate the separation of powers now, better late than never.
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