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« on: January 15, 2020, 06:51:05 pm »

That moment you see another traditional stronghold of the Catholic church influence on the verge of legalizing the SSM, and you feel embarrassed for your own country not following the suit.

Although the influence of the Catholic Church in Chile has been rather strong, there's been enough of a cultural shift lately that would make it hard to define Chile as a stronghold. The sexual abuse scandals hurt the Church's image so badly that the number of Catholics have dropped in dramatic fashion, and it doesn't seem likely that this shift (which partly benefits Evangelicals, but mostly leads to a somewhat Agnostic population) will stop anytime soon.

In any case, excellent news (one can only wish it would have happened far earlier, and hope it will become law as soon as possible), and a welcome development given how hopelessly screwed we are (and how worse the future is likely to be).
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« Reply #1 on: January 16, 2020, 09:56:48 am »

That moment you see another traditional stronghold of the Catholic church influence on the verge of legalizing the SSM, and you feel embarrassed for your own country not following the suit.

Although the influence of the Catholic Church in Chile has been rather strong, there's been enough of a cultural shift lately that would make it hard to define Chile as a stronghold. The sexual abuse scandals hurt the Church's image so badly that the number of Catholics have dropped in dramatic fashion, and it doesn't seem likely that this shift (which partly benefits Evangelicals, but mostly leads to a somewhat Agnostic population) will stop anytime soon.

In Poland the Church is becoming increasingly unpopular with the general population (though it depends on the region), and the population is becoming less religious too, but the political machine of the Church remains very strong, especially now with PiS in power (not that PO or even SLD, while in power, were much better).

Interesting, I would have figured the general population was still very much on board with the Church and with social conservatism (rather than it being a result of political influence).

Here I can't even say the Church even retains political influence (beyond, say, a couple of Congressmen) at this point, it's pretty telling that in course of this entire process since October no one has either cared about what the Church has said nor seen it as a valid part of the discussion (or even a potential mediator, a role that the Church can still play in other countries in Latin America).

On a general sense I would find it a positive thing to see less involvement in politics from religion, but I am a bit wary about some of the potential side effects (not on legislation itself, but on society). In comparison, I'd much rather have the Church still influential as opposed to the Evangelicans gaining too much ground.
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