Colorado 2020 U.S. House Redistricting Discussion

[BoiseBoy]

Round 5 Tally:

Staff Plan 3 Coleman Amendment - 4 votes

Tafoya Workshop Adjusted Amendment - 4 votes

P.008.Shepherd Macklin ("Schuster Amended") - 4 votes

This is the partisanship of P.008 (It's 5-3 DEM here but was 5-3 GOP in 2016):

[Stuart98]

Round 5 Tally:

Staff Plan 3 Coleman Amendment - 4 votes

Tafoya Workshop Adjusted Amendment - 4 votes

P.008.Shepherd Macklin ("Schuster Amended") - 4 votes

This is the partisanship of P.008 (It's 5-3 DEM here but was 5-3 GOP in 2016):

wtf?

it'll be hilarious if this bizarre gerrymander is what the commission ends up passing. Who voted for it?

[BoiseBoy]

Round 5 Tally:

Staff Plan 3 Coleman Amendment - 4 votes

Tafoya Workshop Adjusted Amendment - 4 votes

P.008.Shepherd Macklin ("Schuster Amended") - 4 votes

This is the partisanship of P.008 (It's 5-3 DEM here but was 5-3 GOP in 2016):

...

wtf?

it'll be hilarious if this bizarre gerrymander is what the commission ends up passing. Who voted for it?

It looks like Espinoza, Leone, Shepherd Macklin, and Wilkes voted for P.008

[Stuart98]

Round 5 Tally:

Staff Plan 3 Coleman Amendment - 4 votes

Tafoya Workshop Adjusted Amendment - 4 votes

P.008.Shepherd Macklin ("Schuster Amended") - 4 votes

This is the partisanship of P.008 (It's 5-3 DEM here but was 5-3 GOP in 2016):

...

wtf?

it'll be hilarious if this bizarre gerrymander is what the commission ends up passing. Who voted for it?

It looks like Espinoza, Leone, Shepherd Macklin, and Wilkes voted for P.008

What a bizarre coalition.

[Oryxslayer]

We are basically at the point where everyone's voting for maps they disagree with just cause they disagree with the alternative more. Which means it's likely the Court won't rubber stamp whatever decision, and over the next 3 months they will tell the commission what it should be aiming for.

[S019]

Round 5 Tally:

Staff Plan 3 Coleman Amendment - 4 votes

Tafoya Workshop Adjusted Amendment - 4 votes

P.008.Shepherd Macklin ("Schuster Amended") - 4 votes

This is the partisanship of P.008 (It's 5-3 DEM here but was 5-3 GOP in 2016):

wtf?

it'll be hilarious if this bizarre gerrymander is what the commission ends up passing. Who voted for it?

it's hilarious also that this is a Republican proposed map, while all of the Republicans on the commission have been trying to push through a plan made by a Democratic commissioner.

[lfromnj]

Round 5 Tally:

Staff Plan 3 Coleman Amendment - 4 votes

Tafoya Workshop Adjusted Amendment - 4 votes

P.008.Shepherd Macklin ("Schuster Amended") - 4 votes

This is the partisanship of P.008 (It's 5-3 DEM here but was 5-3 GOP in 2016):

wtf?

it'll be hilarious if this bizarre gerrymander is what the commission ends up passing. Who voted for it?

it's hilarious also that this is a Republican proposed map, while all of the Republicans on the commission have been trying to push through a plan made by a Democratic commissioner.

Technically the Democratic commissioner map is the third staff plan with just some COI adjustments and no partisan changes as far as I saw.

[BoiseBoy]

https://twitter.com/Uncrewed/status/1443086828639248392?s=20

[S019]

Round 6 Underway

[lfromnj]

Schuster is an amazing map for Democrats and its very close to what Tafoya wanted  in his headwaters plan although not nearly as favorable. However as Tafoya is literally the Democratic establishment he probably doesn't like the fact  it double bunks Neguse and Perlmutter



Here's the gerrymander Tafoya wanted

The 3rd district is about the same at Trump +1 while the 2nd and 8th are much more D.

[BoiseBoy]

Round 6 Tally:

Staff Plan 3 Coleman Amendment - 6 votes

P.008.Shepherd Macklin ("Schuster Amended") - 5 votes

Tafoya Workshop Adjusted Amendment (Tafoya Amendment 2) - 1 vote

[BoiseBoy]

Commission has chosen the Coleman Amendment on a voice vote of 11-1. It now goes to the CO Supreme Court.

https://twitter.com/Redistrict/status/1443092073146687488?s=20

[S019]

Looking further into it, one Democrat (Coleman) and one left leaning indy (Brawner) supported advancing the Coleman plan over Schuster, interestingly Coleman was one of the D commissioners recommended by Democratic legislative leadership.

[GALeftist]

What an awful map. Lmao @ the commissioners talking about "competitiveness" and "communities of interest." Hopefully the COSC throws this in the garbage where it belongs but idk if they will

[lfromnj]

Honestly listening in, all else equal Tafoya was an arrogant ahole. He was definitely an awful choice for a partisan dem trying to persuade othsrs. Literally when everyone else is voting on 2 maps he just starts screaming about his own map and votes for it all alone . It  seems like in the end he wanted a map with his name on it.

[lfromnj]

Good and bad signs for Ds in CA
Bad is that even left leaning indies won't neccesarily support a Democratic gerrymander.

Good sign is there are a few partisan Democrats there while no counter partisan Republican like Kelly or Leone . No counter act voice is probably what will give Dems the W in CA

[Sestak]

So lmao. Between CO and MI, independent commissions are doing a better job at drawing Republican gerrymanders than Republican legislators are.

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

Honestly listening in, all else equal Tafoya was an arrogant ahole. He was definitely an awful choice for a partisan dem trying to persuade othsrs. Literally when everyone else is voting on 2 maps he just starts screaming about his own map and votes for it all alone . It  seems like in the end he wanted a map with his name on it.

Yeah Tafoya helped produce this GOPmander. He's actively harmful to Dems in this capacity, let's hope he's not on the next commission. Not even GOPers should want him on the next commission because he's just unpleasant in general.

[Antonio the Sixth]

So, if I understand correctly, it's this plan that passed? https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/redistricting-2022-maps/colorado/staff_plan_3/

I guess it's the best of a very bad bunch, but inshallah the SC can make some improvements.

[Skill and Chance]

So one of the Dem commissioners got way out ahead of their skis and basically alienated everyone else?

[lfromnj]

So one of the Dem commissioners got way out ahead of their skis and basically alienated everyone else?

To be specific this was the most partisan Democrat as well.

[Former Dean Phillips Supporters for Haley (I guess???!?) 👁️]

Dems should challenge this at the state Sup. Ct and ask it to go back to drawing board. It's not reflective of the state at all and has weird lines.

Just have the State Supreme Court draw the map.

Yeah, Stuart98 showed here that you can easily draw a map with 2 reasonably compact majority-minority seats.

https://talkelections.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=354241.msg8264191#msg8264191

And I showed here that the northern of those two seats can also be outright majority Hispanic pretty easily.

https://davesredistricting.org/join/fbb2df68-a4db-4dbc-86f7-2503cbdfb1c2

The State Supreme Court should reject the commission's attempt to illegally disenfranchise minority and Hispanic voters in Colorado and draw a new map that has two majority-minority districts, one of which (in the north) is majority-Hispanic and which reflects the actual diversity of Colorado's population and respects the right to vote of non-white voters rather than only white voters.

[lfromnj]

https://twitter.com/Uncrewed/status/1443086828639248392?s=20

To show how absurd Tafoya is. Remember after 5 hours of voting he just gets mad at everyone and  votes for his own map all alone.

[It’s so Joever]

Even I would have been less awful.

[GALeftist]

Yeah Tafoya was really annoying and actively counterproductive tbh